Skip to comments.Charles Darwin, Abolitionist
Posted on 02/01/2009 2:48:48 PM PST by EveningStar
...Two arresting new books, timed to coincide with Darwins 200th birthday, make the case that his epochal achievement in Victorian England can best be understood in relation to events involving neither tortoises nor finches on the other side of the Atlantic. Both books confront the touchy subject of Darwin and race head on; both conclude that Darwin, despite the pernicious spread of social Darwinism (the notion, popularized by Herbert Spencer, that human society progresses through the survival of the fittest), was no racist...
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Sin and slaughter existed prior to the theory of evolution.
“slaughter existed prior to the theory of evolution”
Yeah, and lying thieving corrupt men existed before Ted Kennedy. Does that mean we should just accept it?
When pro-slavery types were called upon to justify their position, they always went to the Bible. Why is that?
Could it be that the Bible explicitly allows slavery? See Ephesians 6.
Unfortunately it still pales into insignificance against the fruit of organised religion, though... there's been over 500 years of genocide and slaughter between Moslems and Jews, Christians and Jews, Catholics and Protestants, Moslems and Christians, Moslems and Moslems, and conflicts continue to this day.
I surely don’t have answers, but it seems to me that “genocide and slaughter” have been going on forever within the religious ranks. More death and destruction in the name of religion I cannot imagine.
The NYT gets Herbert Spencer wrong by the way. The common understanding of Spencer as author of social darwinism is quite wrong.
Learn the difference between cause and effect.
To be fair, Buddhists, Hindus, animists and a variety of other faiths have all been party to mass murder. Jews, Muslims and Christians are just the ones we’re most familiar with in the West.
To answer both questions: idiots and no it doesn’t.
But did they kill because of their religion, or because of their religion?
Hitler is often promlugated as an atheist who killed in the name of secularism, but he didn’t. He never killed anyone because of their religion, ‘only’ for their race, politics and/or personal opposition to him and his regime. He specifically stated in ‘Mein Kampf’ that his hatred of Jews was not based on their religion, but on their race....
Well I would beg to differ there. There has been unending genocide and slaughter. And the basis most often is religion.
The Bible does not expressly prohibit slavery. In the light of eternity, slavery was a very secondary issue. However, it was primarily Christians that caused its abolition.
A difference without a distinction.
Why for all those centuries did no Christian realize this?
Apostle Paul (Ephesians 6:9) tells Christian slaveholders to be good masters. He does not say slavery is wrong.
It is because evil men use religion as an excuse but it is amazing that you can not see communism, socialism, dictatorships, abortion as also used to slaughter human kind......all evil men.
On what philosophical basis would biological evolutionary theory contradict the practice of slavery?
"Christopher Benfey (born 28 October 1954) is an American literary critic and Emily Dickinson scholar. He is the Mellon Professor of English at Mount Holyoke College." Source
In other words, he's a renowned scholar who, among other things, wrote this article for the NYT.
The kneejerk NYT dismissal is not relevant.
CM was suspended/banned 3-4 days ago.
It does not indicts either thinker or their ideas nor does it abstains the actors of their evil done in their name..
You know full well, or at least I hope you do, that almost all, if not all, of those 'wars of religion' were in fact wars of [geo-]politics, with religion used to get the general population on board with what the ruler(s) wanted.
No different at all than 'freedom' and 'democracy' being used by the secular West in modern history, and 'egalitarianism' and Islamic solidarity by the Soviet Union and terrorists to get their respective populations in line with the government (or terrorist) stance. Freeing the slaves, protecting states' rights for the War Between the States/Civil War, etc. The real reasons for war are almost always far more down-to-earth and not particularly lofty. Ideology, be it religion or some other value, just helps make it more palatable to the masses.
It is horrible that religion was used as a tool in such a way - and fortunately our freedom of religion in the First Amendment helps protect us from that - but while the wars were waged in the name of religion, religion was not the root cause.
And if you consider yourselves to be fair, rational people, you have to acknowledge that religion has worked for good in secular affairs, too. Cases in point: the Roman Catholic Church almost singlehandedly is responsible for preserving writing and other knowledge in western Europe after the fall of the Western Roman Empire; monks recorded the histories and cultures of illiterate peoples - histories we might have no idea about today without that contribution; missionaries brought the pagan barbarians into the fold, encouraging them to settle down, not be (as) violent with raping and pillaging, and work constructively; and the institution served to help unify a fractured Europe, bestowing upon largely Germanic kings and nobility the authority to rule over their subjugated largely Latin/Celtic subjects by persuading the conquered to accept their new leaders - from a romantic point of view bad, from a peace/realist point of view, good; there's a reason that the old name for Europe was 'Christendom'. Christianity was the unifying factor, the sole one.
More to the point of this article specifically, it was religion, Christian religion, that provided the impetus to ending slavery globally. From what I have seen, Darwin was racist - though the same can be said for many, many freepers who delude themselves that they are not; Darwin may have been no worse than them. Even if his views were as rosy as those expressed here, he was by no means a major player in ending slavery. Religion, Christianity, specifically the Quaker variety, was.
And as opposed to religion being used as a tool in wars, the abolition of slavery was built from a grassroots movement of devout Christians themselves, not from some clergy-hierarchy or the state.
As for slavery being condoned, that is true. Yet the topic here is racism, not slavery. Roman era slaves were not considered subhuman or even separate species based on their ancestry. Once freed, they had all the rights, bar none, of born-free people.
While not endorsing slavery, there does seem an acceptance of the practice as fact. But also explicit is that all humans come from Adam, that all humans are of one family - which is linked to why Christ can save all of us - and that Adam was fully human.
So while you could argue that Christianity acknowledged slavery - the same way Christianity acknowledged Roman Imperial rule in the face of Christian persecution, mind you - you cannot make a strong claim that Christianity supported racism.
And, face it, by 'religion' most of the time you're (at least partly) referring to Christianity.
Edit: Yet the topic here is not Roman era slavery, but the race-based slavery of the latter second millennium, that was justified largely on un-Christian beliefs that blacks were not related to whites and were subhuman.
“The Bible does not expressly prohibit slavery. In the light of eternity, slavery was a very secondary issue.”
Yet when to have sex with one’s wife, which cattle can graze with other cattle, mixed fabric clothes etc, etc. These are primary issues, right?
Life was extremely hard for most everyone except a privileged few. In certain situations slaves fared better than free individuals. In light of difficult circumstances for all but a few, slavery did not seem so terrible, relatively speaking.
As life became easier, the disparity between free and slave grew and then Christians saw slavery to be wrong.