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Charles Darwin, Abolitionist
The New York Times ^ | January 29, 2009 | Christopher Benfey

Posted on 02/01/2009 2:48:48 PM PST by EveningStar

...Two arresting new books, timed to co­incide with Darwin’s 200th birthday, make the case that his epochal achievement in Victorian England can best be under­stood in relation to events — involving neither tortoises nor finches — on the other side of the Atlantic. Both books confront the touchy subject of Darwin and race head on; both conclude that Darwin, despite the pernicious spread of “social Darwinism” (the notion, popularized by Herbert Spencer, that human society progresses through the “survival of the fittest”), was no racist...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abolitionist; atheism; atheist; bookreview; charlesdarwin; creationism; darwin; darwinism; evolution; history; racerelations; races; racism; slavery

1 posted on 02/01/2009 2:48:49 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
there's a lot of this stuff out there recently. they're trying to hide the fact that Darwin was a racist and that his theory was largely motivated by that. this "abolitionist" stuff is just trying to cover over the real issues.

Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) over and over again in his book. In fact, it is not unreasonable to suppose that the very title itself of Hitler's book ("My Struggle"), was influenced by Darwin's subtitle, "Struggle for Existence," and by the German advocate of evolution, Ernst Haeckel, who published a book, in 1905, entitled, Der Kampf um den Entwicklungs-Gedanken ("The Struggle over Evolutionary Thinking").
http://www.crministriesphilly.com/ascentofracism

Jesus said we should judge a tree by it's FRUIT. And the fruit of "evolution" has been genocide and slaughter.
2 posted on 02/01/2009 3:00:45 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Sin and slaughter existed prior to the theory of evolution.


3 posted on 02/01/2009 3:03:41 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

“slaughter existed prior to the theory of evolution”

Yeah, and lying thieving corrupt men existed before Ted Kennedy. Does that mean we should just accept it?


4 posted on 02/01/2009 3:06:07 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: EveningStar
Christian blood libel against science again, I see.

When pro-slavery types were called upon to justify their position, they always went to the Bible. Why is that?

Could it be that the Bible explicitly allows slavery? See Ephesians 6.

5 posted on 02/01/2009 3:06:50 PM PST by Salman
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Jesus said we should judge a tree by it's FRUIT. And the fruit of "evolution" has been genocide and slaughter.

Unfortunately it still pales into insignificance against the fruit of organised religion, though... there's been over 500 years of genocide and slaughter between Moslems and Jews, Christians and Jews, Catholics and Protestants, Moslems and Christians, Moslems and Moslems, and conflicts continue to this day.

6 posted on 02/01/2009 3:08:31 PM PST by Don Stadt
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

I surely don’t have answers, but it seems to me that “genocide and slaughter” have been going on forever within the religious ranks. More death and destruction in the name of religion I cannot imagine.


7 posted on 02/01/2009 3:10:46 PM PST by battletank
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To: EveningStar

The NYT gets Herbert Spencer wrong by the way. The common understanding of Spencer as author of social darwinism is quite wrong.


8 posted on 02/01/2009 3:10:54 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Learn the difference between cause and effect.


9 posted on 02/01/2009 3:11:21 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Don Stadt

To be fair, Buddhists, Hindus, animists and a variety of other faiths have all been party to mass murder. Jews, Muslims and Christians are just the ones we’re most familiar with in the West.


10 posted on 02/01/2009 3:13:38 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Salman

To answer both questions: idiots and no it doesn’t.


11 posted on 02/01/2009 3:19:56 PM PST by svcw
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To: battletank
Communism, dictatorships, socialism, abortion..........Men are (can be) evil it has nothing to with religion.
12 posted on 02/01/2009 3:22:12 PM PST by svcw
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To: RKV

But did they kill because of their religion, or because of their religion?
Hitler is often promlugated as an atheist who killed in the name of secularism, but he didn’t. He never killed anyone because of their religion, ‘only’ for their race, politics and/or personal opposition to him and his regime. He specifically stated in ‘Mein Kampf’ that his hatred of Jews was not based on their religion, but on their race....


13 posted on 02/01/2009 3:22:42 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: svcw

Well I would beg to differ there. There has been unending genocide and slaughter. And the basis most often is religion.


14 posted on 02/01/2009 3:31:08 PM PST by battletank
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To: Salman

The Bible does not expressly prohibit slavery. In the light of eternity, slavery was a very secondary issue. However, it was primarily Christians that caused its abolition.


15 posted on 02/01/2009 3:32:20 PM PST by MBB1984
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
But did they kill because of their religion, or because of their religion?

A difference without a distinction.

16 posted on 02/01/2009 3:50:59 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: MBB1984
Christian abolitionists were good and decent people who used their own human compassion and reason to realize that slavery was wrong, and they called it "Christian love".

Why for all those centuries did no Christian realize this?

Apostle Paul (Ephesians 6:9) tells Christian slaveholders to be good masters. He does not say slavery is wrong.

17 posted on 02/01/2009 4:02:11 PM PST by Salman
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To: battletank

It is because evil men use religion as an excuse but it is amazing that you can not see communism, socialism, dictatorships, abortion as also used to slaughter human kind......all evil men.


18 posted on 02/01/2009 4:13:36 PM PST by svcw
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To: EveningStar

On what philosophical basis would biological evolutionary theory contradict the practice of slavery?


19 posted on 02/01/2009 4:24:00 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: EveningStar
A New York Times writer of Darwin should be taken as seriously as Obama on economics.

Weigh in, almighty coyoteman. Owooooo!
20 posted on 02/01/2009 4:51:18 PM PST by Bars4Bill
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To: RKV; Bars4Bill
RKV: The NYT gets Herbert Spencer wrong by the way.

Bars4Bill: A New York Times writer of Darwin should be taken as seriously as Obama on economics.

"Christopher Benfey (born 28 October 1954) is an American literary critic and Emily Dickinson scholar. He is the Mellon Professor of English at Mount Holyoke College." Source

In other words, he's a renowned scholar who, among other things, wrote this article for the NYT.

The kneejerk NYT dismissal is not relevant.

21 posted on 02/01/2009 5:42:02 PM PST by EveningStar (Socialism in the USA began in 1933. In 2009 it kicked into warp drive.)
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To: Bars4Bill
Weigh in, almighty coyoteman. Owooooo!

CM was suspended/banned 3-4 days ago.

22 posted on 02/01/2009 5:52:53 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Darwin was a racist and that his theory was largely motivated by that. this "abolitionist" stuff is just trying to cover over the real issues.

Historically speaking, they forget Lincoln was against slavery yet he didn't think Africans were equal to white Europeans.

The idea aren't mutually exclusive...
23 posted on 02/01/2009 5:54:07 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: RedMonqey
One could easily (and correctly) say the philosophy's of both Christ and Darwin were corrupted by their so called disciples.

It does not indicts either thinker or their ideas nor does it abstains the actors of their evil done in their name..

24 posted on 02/01/2009 6:04:06 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: RKV

banned


25 posted on 02/01/2009 6:14:53 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: EveningStar

INTREP


26 posted on 02/01/2009 9:25:33 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware of socialism in America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: All
To the Atheists/anti-'religionists':

You know full well, or at least I hope you do, that almost all, if not all, of those 'wars of religion' were in fact wars of [geo-]politics, with religion used to get the general population on board with what the ruler(s) wanted.

No different at all than 'freedom' and 'democracy' being used by the secular West in modern history, and 'egalitarianism' and Islamic solidarity by the Soviet Union and terrorists to get their respective populations in line with the government (or terrorist) stance. Freeing the slaves, protecting states' rights for the War Between the States/Civil War, etc. The real reasons for war are almost always far more down-to-earth and not particularly lofty. Ideology, be it religion or some other value, just helps make it more palatable to the masses.

It is horrible that religion was used as a tool in such a way - and fortunately our freedom of religion in the First Amendment helps protect us from that - but while the wars were waged in the name of religion, religion was not the root cause.

And if you consider yourselves to be fair, rational people, you have to acknowledge that religion has worked for good in secular affairs, too. Cases in point: the Roman Catholic Church almost singlehandedly is responsible for preserving writing and other knowledge in western Europe after the fall of the Western Roman Empire; monks recorded the histories and cultures of illiterate peoples - histories we might have no idea about today without that contribution; missionaries brought the pagan barbarians into the fold, encouraging them to settle down, not be (as) violent with raping and pillaging, and work constructively; and the institution served to help unify a fractured Europe, bestowing upon largely Germanic kings and nobility the authority to rule over their subjugated largely Latin/Celtic subjects by persuading the conquered to accept their new leaders - from a romantic point of view bad, from a peace/realist point of view, good; there's a reason that the old name for Europe was 'Christendom'. Christianity was the unifying factor, the sole one.

More to the point of this article specifically, it was religion, Christian religion, that provided the impetus to ending slavery globally. From what I have seen, Darwin was racist - though the same can be said for many, many freepers who delude themselves that they are not; Darwin may have been no worse than them. Even if his views were as rosy as those expressed here, he was by no means a major player in ending slavery. Religion, Christianity, specifically the Quaker variety, was.

And as opposed to religion being used as a tool in wars, the abolition of slavery was built from a grassroots movement of devout Christians themselves, not from some clergy-hierarchy or the state.

As for slavery being condoned, that is true. Yet the topic here is racism, not slavery. Roman era slaves were not considered subhuman or even separate species based on their ancestry. Once freed, they had all the rights, bar none, of born-free people.

While not endorsing slavery, there does seem an acceptance of the practice as fact. But also explicit is that all humans come from Adam, that all humans are of one family - which is linked to why Christ can save all of us - and that Adam was fully human.

So while you could argue that Christianity acknowledged slavery - the same way Christianity acknowledged Roman Imperial rule in the face of Christian persecution, mind you - you cannot make a strong claim that Christianity supported racism.

And, face it, by 'religion' most of the time you're (at least partly) referring to Christianity.

27 posted on 02/02/2009 9:12:43 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( I've started to use 'I' again.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
"Yet the topic here is racism, not slavery."

Edit: Yet the topic here is not Roman era slavery, but the race-based slavery of the latter second millennium, that was justified largely on un-Christian beliefs that blacks were not related to whites and were subhuman.

28 posted on 02/02/2009 9:25:28 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( I've started to use 'I' again.)
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To: MBB1984

“The Bible does not expressly prohibit slavery. In the light of eternity, slavery was a very secondary issue.”

Yet when to have sex with one’s wife, which cattle can graze with other cattle, mixed fabric clothes etc, etc. These are primary issues, right?


29 posted on 02/03/2009 8:52:32 AM PST by Natufian (The mesolithic wasn't so bad, was it?)
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To: Salman
Probably because for centuries life was much, much harder than it is today, for free men and slaves. The Bible was written during that difficult time. The life expectancy of a white male in North America around 1800 was only approximately 40 years. I would expect it to be much the same for centuries before.

Life was extremely hard for most everyone except a privileged few. In certain situations slaves fared better than free individuals. In light of difficult circumstances for all but a few, slavery did not seem so terrible, relatively speaking.

As life became easier, the disparity between free and slave grew and then Christians saw slavery to be wrong.

30 posted on 02/06/2009 11:49:49 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: Natufian
They were primary issues to God, at least for the Israelites. Those ordinances were subsequently abolished in Christianity. I don't know the primary reasons for those laws, perhaps to keep the Israelites separated from the Canaanites, a truly evil people. Whatever the reason, it was justifiable.
31 posted on 02/06/2009 11:58:26 AM PST by MBB1984
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