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Eluana Transferred Late Tuesday Night to Clinic for Death by Dehydration
LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/3/09 | Hilary White

Posted on 02/03/2009 11:07:44 AM PST by wagglebee

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To: BykrBayb
...so you know who to verbally attack for loving Him and following His commandments. ..

I am amazed, and sorry, that your need to be the holier-than-thou superior, you keep trying to judge me, and deny it.

You don't see the forest, do you? Have a nice day.


101 posted on 02/08/2009 1:06:52 PM PST by WVKayaker ("There are no facts, only interpretations." -Nietze)
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To: wagglebee

They’ve chosen to remain blind.


102 posted on 02/08/2009 1:37:34 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: WVKayaker; wagglebee

That’s an interesting link you provided, to back up what I’ve been saying, and negate your own claims.

In one of his sermons, he says “There is a power of God and there is a power which is of Satan.” Then he goes on to explain how easy it is to recognize the difference. He tells about some fakers who came into church pretending to be Christians, but were actually serving Satan and mocking God, like you do.

He explains that once a person is baptized in the Holy Spirit, they will follow God, not Satan. If they’re not adhering to God, then we know they don’t have the Spirit within them.

Thank you for providing a link in support of what I’ve been saying.

http://www.smithwigglesworth.com/sermons/ftp5.htm


103 posted on 02/08/2009 2:45:35 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee
Terri Schiavo WAS otherwise healthy.

Other than having severe irreversible brain damage.

104 posted on 02/08/2009 3:15:56 PM PST by wideminded
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To: WVKayaker; BykrBayb
Why is it so much easier to provide a feeding tube? Why is it murder if none is given, or if it removed to allow God's will? Oh, I forgot, you are apparently an arbiter of God's will.

Is THIS God's Will? Because it seems pretty clear about food and water for the sick.

31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. 32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
-- Matthew 25:31-46

105 posted on 02/08/2009 3:36:42 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wideminded

Brain injuried DO NOT cause premature death and it should be noted that Terri was doing much better BEFORE her rehabilitation was stopped.

Also, how do you account for the brain injured people, some of whom had been in conditions worse than Terri’s and for longer periods, who DO recover? That doesn’t sound irreversible to me.


106 posted on 02/08/2009 3:38:58 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Is THIS God's Will? Because it seems pretty clear about food and water for the sick.


107 posted on 02/08/2009 3:44:28 PM PST by WVKayaker ("There are no facts, only interpretations." -Nietze)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Eluana Enlargo Update

The Italian government MAY have found a technicality which could prevent Eluana's murder at least for the time being.

Thread by me.

Italy govt. tries new tactic in right-to-die case (Eluana Englaro)

ROME (AP) - Italy's health minister declared Sunday there were problems with the clinic hosting a woman in a hotly debated right-to-die case, as the government appeared to be trying a new tactic to keep her alive.

Minister Maurizio Sacconi also said the "La Quiete" clinic in Udine isn't the hospice or hospital facility called for by the Milan appeals court, which has ruled that Eluana Englaro's feeding tubes can be removed.

Englaro, 38, has been in a vegetative state since she was in a car accident 17 years ago. Her doctors have said her condition is irreversible. Her father won a decade-long court battle to remove her feeding tubes, saying it was her wish.

But Italy's center-right government, backed by the Vatican, has been trying to keep her alive and hopes to pass legislation this week forbidding food and water from being suspended for patients who depend on them. . .

"We will not be silent.
We are your bad conscience.
The White Rose will give you no rest."

108 posted on 02/08/2009 3:48:10 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: WVKayaker

So, you believe that Scripture prohibits the utilization of technological advances?


109 posted on 02/08/2009 3:49:28 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Salvation; All
From what I've seen with the 'Rats the past few weeks taxes seem to be optional until you are nominated for a Cabinet post, so maybe that can be an out.

Thread by Salvation.

US Bishop Protests Taxes-for-Abortions [Justin Cardinal Rigali]

WASHINGTON, D.C., FEB. 6, 2009 (Zenit.org).- The United States has some "modest, common-sense" policies supported by pro-lifers and abortion advocates, and a U.S. bishops' official is urging Congress to protect them.

This appeal came in a Feb. 5 letter written by Cardinal Justin Rigali, chairman of the bishops' Committee for Pro-life Activities.

He noted that one of Congress' first orders of business this session is examining appropriations bills to keep federal programs funded, and in this process, the bishop warned against removing anti-abortion clauses.

Noting the widespread lack of support for the Freedom of Choice Act, he cautioned: "While an extreme proposal like FOCA would overturn hundreds of pro-life laws at once, we are equally concerned that such laws may be overturned one at a time during Congress' appropriations process."

"Lawmakers who disagree about the legal status of abortion have long agreed that Americans should not be forced by government to support or participate in abortion against their will," the cardinal added. "Efforts to coerce consciences in this way violate any possible definition of 'pro-choice,' and undermine our nation’s long tradition of respect for conscience and religious freedom."

. . .

110 posted on 02/08/2009 3:52:00 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The deathbots believe that it’s only acceptable to use technology for evil, like Dr. Kevorkian’s machine. Using technology to help provide basic care that God orders us to provide is considered evil by them.


111 posted on 02/08/2009 3:55:11 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee
So, you believe that Scripture prohibits the utilization of technological advances?

Moral absolutes aren't!

God is in control, in spite of man's "technological advances". Man always wants to play be god... just ask a Mormon so you can find out how you can be one, too!


112 posted on 02/08/2009 3:56:11 PM PST by WVKayaker ("There are no facts, only interpretations." -Nietze)
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To: WVKayaker
God's will is NOT to snuff out a life that He values, even when everyone else will. I know 2 young men, very young, who are brothers on feeding tubes and trachs. THEY know what you are saying when you talk to them. They track with their eyes when you walk into the room. One of them is an artist (I am too). I took books and shared pictures of Art with him. One book showed a marked difference in the style of art and we watched as the style changed over the years of the artist's work. He KNEW! I saw the recognition in his eyes. I watched him as he looked at the pictures intently and saw the differences I talked about. For ANYONE to say they would withhold the feeding tube or trach from this young man, who is not able to verbalize for himself, would be KILLING a man of value! His brother has been taught over the years to make noises the indicate his happiness or being in pain! He GETS jokes!! You tease him about the good looking nurses and his eyes and facial expressions respond. HE tracks with his eyes. They are labeled comatose!

The picture does not speak a thousand words, that you posted. It shows nothing about the PERSON who is connected to those tubes. They ARE people! They DO hear, see, have responses. I watched, helpless, while a woman was starved to death. It took 4 long weeks and I was powerless to do anything to stop it. It was horrible. There is no dignity, no respect, and it is far from painfree to die from starvation and dehydration. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

113 posted on 02/08/2009 4:01:20 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: WVKayaker

Your response is totally nonsensical. Does God want us to utilize advances in medicine that are moral? YES or NO?


114 posted on 02/08/2009 4:05:05 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All

In case someone wants to label me, let me assist you ..... a child of God who values all life at all stages.


115 posted on 02/08/2009 4:06:30 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: BykrBayb
The deathbots believe that it’s only acceptable to use technology for evil,

You know what, that sounds EXACTLY like the Islamofascists; they prefer to live like it's the 7th Century, but will happily utilize the latest technology to KILL PEOPLE.

116 posted on 02/08/2009 4:07:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BykrBayb
Using technology to help provide basic care that God orders us to provide is considered evil by them.

Please cite the chapter which states "thou shall hook up to a machine, so you may maintain a vegetative state, just in case I change My mind, saith the Lord...". I missed that one in my Bibles.

I am not in favor of starting the feeding tubes. Maybe your faith is in the tube (or whatever technology). I am convinced that you place your faith in the ministrations of the medical community. Maybe your faith ought better to be placed on God raising her to prove His might. For research, see: Lazarus

My faith is in the God who made me... not on the learned medical community with all it's tricks. I use doctors, and I take my meds. But, I am ready...

The details of scenes are secondary to the dialogue between Jesus and the other characters! Jesus says to Martha: "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me, even though that person dies, will live, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" And later he says to her: "Have I not told you that if you believe you will see the glory of God"(11:40)?

Whatever we can say about the Lazarus of history, he stands for us as a symbol of our resurrection destiny. If we believe in the risen Lord and live as he teaches us, we too shall see the glory of God. We too shall be raised up. That's the bottom line. "Unbind him and let him go free." Jesus would unbind us now from the fear that wraps us about death, and 'later from the reality of death itself.

117 posted on 02/08/2009 4:10:58 PM PST by WVKayaker ("There are no facts, only interpretations." -Nietze)
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To: WVKayaker; BykrBayb; MountainFlower
I use doctors, and I take my meds.

WHICH medications are you willing to use? I am unaware of a single medicine, other than possibly some opiates, in current use that has been around for more than a hundred years or so.

Will you be X-rayed?

Would you use a pacemaker?

Do you use toothpaste?

Do you or anyone in you family wear glasses or contacts?

118 posted on 02/08/2009 4:19:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The deathbots like to pretend to be Christians, to lend credibility to their claim that God hates disabled people and wants them to be tortured to death. Does anyone actually believe their lies?


119 posted on 02/08/2009 4:20:12 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

The deathbots are always willing to take care of their own health. It’s always someone else’s death they lust after. The snake worshiper won’t stop eating and drinking, taking medicine, living inside a building, covering up with warm clothing and blankets, turning the heater up to a comfortable temperature, etc. But they sure advocate depriving others of such necessities, “for their own good.”


120 posted on 02/08/2009 4:27:16 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Exactly!


121 posted on 02/08/2009 4:28:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; BykrBayb; MountainFlower
WHICH medications are you willing to use?

I am not a Luddite. I drink red wine daily. I also take meds for hypertension. I take a baby aspirin along with them.

I am a simple Christian who wishes you the best, and prays that you will get to know God well enough to trust Him to make the decisions on life and death. Most of these feeding tube withdrawal decisions are made out of simple selfishness, not love, just like the decision to insert it initially.

...and both sides are trying to play be God...

I know that whatever is on this earth is nothing, compared to what my Father has prepared for me...


122 posted on 02/08/2009 4:46:27 PM PST by WVKayaker ("There are no facts, only interpretations." -Nietze)
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To: WVKayaker

You can’t get to Heaven through the sins of others. If somebody murders you, that doesn’t buy you a ticket to Heaven.


123 posted on 02/08/2009 4:48:49 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: WVKayaker; BykrBayb; MountainFlower
I also take meds for hypertension. I take a baby aspirin along with them.

Why are these acceptable and not a feeding tube?

Feeding tubes have been used for thousands of years. Their recent success is primarily due to the development of plastics and antibiotics.

Feeding tubes snake through medical history

124 posted on 02/08/2009 4:53:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: WVKayaker; wagglebee

Yes, I also would like an answer to that. Why is it acceptable for you to take aspirin and medicine for hypertension, but unacceptable for Eluana Englaro to receive food and water through a tube, and to be kept warm with blankets and shelter? I’ve been waiting quite a while for an explanation from you about your objection to her being kept warm.


125 posted on 02/08/2009 5:03:39 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Lord why would you want your precious daughter to die like that? Just give her a lethal injection of morphine if there is no hope, at least she won’t suffer.


126 posted on 02/08/2009 5:07:18 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: wagglebee
It is futile to argue these points. I will not be persuaded to join your little club, nor will you find my thoughts acceptable. I believe my faith in God is more important than your faith in medicines or technologies, no matter how long they have been used, nor when/how applied or withheld.

God is eternal, while all this is temporal. His kingdom is Spiritual, not flesh and blood! If your faith is in the tubes, it is misplaced. You should be anointing with oil, and laying on hands, with faith in the outcome. Anything less is ...not in God's will!

I'll hope to see you on the other side! I know I'll be there. God promised!

127 posted on 02/08/2009 5:08:18 PM PST by WVKayaker ("There are no facts, only interpretations." -Nietze)
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To: wagglebee

When this guys daughter had her accident she was 21, I very much doubt there were any conversations about what to do in this type of situation.
The man is a liar!!!!!!!


128 posted on 02/08/2009 5:10:12 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: WVKayaker

This is where we differ, I believe that medical advancements ARE a Blessing from God. AND I believe that it is disingenuous to accept aspirin and medicine for hypertension and not a feeding tube. We ARE NOT talking about “extraordinary” medical care like a ventilator, Eluana IS NOT brain dead, her heart beats and she breathes without any assistance, she simply needs food and water just like everyone else.


129 posted on 02/08/2009 5:11:08 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Exactly and ANY conversation seventeen years ago would have been about “extraordinary” life support like respirators, ventilators and heart bypass machines. Eluana IS NOT brain dead, she is disabled and is unable to eat or drink without a simple tube.


130 posted on 02/08/2009 5:17:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“The Italian government MAY have found a technicality which could prevent Eluana’s murder at least for the time being.”

Good news, and I hope it stays that way.


131 posted on 02/08/2009 5:45:54 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: wagglebee

May God protect us all from the snake worshipers.


132 posted on 02/08/2009 6:21:05 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Is it just me, or do you find it odd to come across a post on the INTERNET, from someone claiming to abstain from modern technology?


133 posted on 02/08/2009 6:27:32 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Has the RC Church completely lost influence in Italy?

With the death culture advancing so rapidly, one wouldn’t want to slip on the sidewalk...


134 posted on 02/08/2009 6:28:21 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: WVKayaker
As with many other issues that will confront us during our short time on this Earth, you will find a small percentage of folks on either side of an issue that are zealots. The vast majority of folks, probably 90% or so, fall somewhere in between and they have questions and value open discussion without name-calling.

If you are not a Schiavo-type zealot on these threads, you will be labeled as the opposite kind of zealot (deathbot, etc.) That's why these threads can sometimes have replies numbering in the thousands, largely made by a handful of folks that enjoy their echo chamber. Pity really. There are so many hearts and minds to be changed and, by and large, that is not accomplished by zealotry.

135 posted on 02/08/2009 6:37:01 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: wagglebee

Your relentless defense for those incapable of defending themselves is honorable. Sometimes it’s hard to tell if your detractors are concerned about the option to be liberated from life sustaining technology, or the simple right to kill themselves or someone else; someone terminally ill, suffering immense pain, etc.

I normally don’t weigh-in on this issue because it’s enormously complicated, very personal, and influenced by one’s beliefs, one’s Faith. You do a stellar job, however, of raising the Life perspective into clear view.

You and those against you aside, I thinks it’s cowardly and inhumane to dehydrate a person to death.


136 posted on 02/08/2009 6:59:05 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: wagglebee

Reading through this thread, even with all the deleted comments, is making my skin crawl with horror. How people can push for torturing innocent people to death - as though it’s merciful and ethical to so do - is like a symbol of so much that is wrong with the world.

I am so sad. I think the world is in for some terrible times, because if these demoniac people get in control - which looks to be more or less the case here with 0bama’s election and choices, and now in Italy, what to speak of so many other countries and their atrocities - we are all at risk. And this is just one of the great evils coming our way.


137 posted on 02/08/2009 7:11:16 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: BykrBayb

Who has a quote from Nietzsche:

[I guess she means Nietzsche]

(”There are no facts, only interpretations.” -Nietze)

Which statement is complete contradiction to belief in God.


138 posted on 02/08/2009 7:18:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for the ping!


139 posted on 02/08/2009 8:17:27 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: wagglebee
Also, how do you account for the brain injured people, some of whom had been in conditions worse than Terri’s and for longer periods, who DO recover? That doesn’t sound irreversible to me.

Based on what I have heard about the autopsy(*) of Terri Schiavo, I do not believe that any patient in in the same condition has ever recovered or could recover. I am not a doctor but I have studied brain anatomy and function in depth at the graduate level.

While there are rare cases of persons in an apparent persistent vegetative state regaining a certain amount of mental function, I don't see how this was a possibility for someone with the particular type of extremely severe brain damage in this case.

(*) - "Examination of Schiavo’s nervous system by neuropathologist Stephen J. Nelson, M.D., revealed extensive injury. The brain itself weighed only 615 g, only half the weight expected for a female of her age, height, and weight, an effect caused by the loss of a massive amount of neurons. Microscopic examination revealed extensive damage to nearly all brain regions, including the cerebral cortex, the thalami, the basal ganglia, the hippocampus, the cerebellum, and the midbrain. ... Throughout the cerebral cortex, the large pyramidal neurons that comprise some 70% of cortical cells – critical to the functioning of the cortex – were completely lost. ... There was marked damage to important relay circuits deep in the brain (the thalami) ... The damage was, in the words of Thogmartin [Chief Medical Examiner], "irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons." - link

140 posted on 02/08/2009 11:01:53 PM PST by wideminded
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To: little jeremiah
Please address me when talking about me.

Which statement is complete contradiction to belief in God.

Your "opinion" is no better than any other. Your manners are worse.

”There are no facts, only interpretations.” -Nietze) For further research, see: Evolution, or "Anthropogenic global warming".

The only truths are God's truths...

Romans 8:28 (NIV)

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

141 posted on 02/09/2009 9:32:12 AM PST by WVKayaker ("There are no facts, only interpretations." -Nietze)
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To: WVKayaker

Carry on, I’m not going to waste my time reading your comments. Have fun!


142 posted on 02/09/2009 10:43:46 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Eluana Enlargo had Died

Rest in Peace Eleuana

The murderers had begun withdrawing food and water on Friday.

Thread by Pyro7480

Italian woman in right-to-die debate dies (Eluana Englaro)

The 38-year-old woman who ignited a fierce right-to-die debate that convulsed Italy and dragged in the Vatican died Monday just as lawmakers in Parliament rushed to pass a bill designed to keep her alive.

Eluana Englaro had been in a vegetative state since she was in a car accident 17 years ago. She died Monday night at the Udine clinic where she had been for the past week, said family attorney Vittorio Angiolini.

"Yes, she has left us," the ANSA news agency quoted her father, Beppino Englaro, as saying. "But I don't want to say anything, I just want to be alone."

Englaro's doctors had said her condition was irreversible. Late last year, her father won a decade-long court battle to allow her feeding tube to be removed, saying that was her wish. In line with the high court ruling, medical workers on Friday began suspending her food and water. . .

"We will not be silent.
We are your bad conscience.
The White Rose will give you no rest."

143 posted on 02/09/2009 3:47:33 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Fred; All
It looks like Tiller the Killer will have has biggest advocate in the Cabinet.

Thread by Fred.

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Kathleen Sebelius, the pro-abortion governor of Kansas who has been criticized for supporting late-term abortions, is now seen as the most likely pick for Health Secretary. Should President Barack Obama select her, it would add to his growing pro-abortion record as president. . .

144 posted on 02/09/2009 3:49:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Fred; All
The link:

President Obama May Name Pro-Abortion Kathleen Sebelius as Health Secretary


145 posted on 02/09/2009 3:49:49 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; Sun; Dante3; little jeremiah; Coleus; ...
The vast majority of folks, probably 90% or so, fall somewhere in between and they have questions and value open discussion without name-calling.

So, you believe that "90% or so" are ambivalent on pro-life vs. pro-death issues? What hole did you crawl out of?

I have posted thousands of pro-life thread here and have yet to find ANYONE who did not have strong feelings one way or the other.

146 posted on 02/09/2009 3:53:42 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; 8mmMauser; Sun; Dante3
Eluana's neurologist has stated that Eluana was physically healthy prior to the removal of food and water on Friday.

Based on this, it was predicted that it would take from 12 to 14 days for her to die. So, why did she die so quickly? Could something have been done to speed it up out of fear that the government would be successful in preventing her murder?

Thread by me.

Neurologist for Eluana Englaro Admits She is Healthy, Euthanasia Unnecessary (Eluana Died Today)

Rome, Italy (LifeNews.com) -- The neurologist for Eluana Englaro, the disabled woman who has become the center of an international debate over whether she should be killed via euthanasia, says she is healthy. All of the medical tests conducted prior to Friday's stoppage of food and water reveal a healthy patient.

Englaro was injured in an automobile accident in 1992 and has been in a minimally conscious state ever since. Her father recently won the legal right to kill her by removing her feeding tube.

Carlo Alberto Defanti, who is overseeing the withdrawal of food and water, made the comments in an interview with the Italian daily newspaper Corriere della Sera.

“She has never had any diseases and has no need for antibiotics," Defanti admitted. "[Englaro] does not have any damaged or injured internal organs. The tests performed at the hospital in Lecco, before her departure [to the center where she will be killed] were perfect.”

Defanti also mentioned that Englaro recovered from a mild medical problem last fall concerning some internal bleeding she had.

“She got better on her own, without any external help. She had lost a lot of blood. She got better on her own, without transfusions, and this is a sign of good physical condition," he explained.

Defanti told the newspaper that Englaro’s “physical state is optimal. Probably, and I underscore the term, she has resistance that is above-average."

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147 posted on 02/09/2009 4:19:41 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Prayers for Eluana.

Perhaps the drugs killed her. From my email from Terri’s foundation:

‘Eluana Englaro, Italy’s “Terri Schiavo,” has died only four days after doctors began a “gradual” reduction in her food and water intake with the intent to cause her death.

The announcement was made by Italy’s Health Minister on the floor of the Italian Senate, which was debating a bill that would have saved Englaro’s life.

Although no cause of death has been announced, earlier news reports indicated that Englaro’s intake of nutrients was being replaced with a heavy dose of sedatives. Palliative medication in high doses can cause a patient to die prematurely.”


148 posted on 02/09/2009 6:01:20 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: wagglebee
"So, you believe that "90% or so" are ambivalent on pro-life vs. pro-death issues?"

No, that is not what I said. Try again.

"What hole did you crawl out of?"

I didn't. How 'bout you?

"I have posted thousands of pro-life thread here and have yet to find ANYONE who did not have strong feelings one way or the other.

Yes, you have, and on every single one of those threads folks can either agree strongly with you or be attacked. We've gone through this several times and I'm still sick of your holier-than-thou attitude.

Since you've pinged your cabal, I'll expect several more attacks and could not possibly care less. Y'all have a good time.

149 posted on 02/09/2009 6:22:25 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: Sun

Oh my God. Very sad news.


150 posted on 02/09/2009 6:26:42 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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