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Judge Jones gets multiple honorary degrees, Ben Stein has his withdrawn
UncommonDescent ^ | February 3, 2009 | William Dembski

Posted on 02/03/2009 5:36:29 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

3 February 2009

Judge Jones gets multiple honorary degrees, Ben Stein has his withdrawn

William Dembski

Judge Jones, whose distinction prior to the Dover case was running the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board, now has multiple honorary doctorates for rendering his decision, which he cribbed from the ACLU’s Proposed Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law. Ben Stein, who is an acclaimed actor, author, and economist, on the other hand, has just been denied an honorary doctorate at the University of Vermont:

“This is not, to my mind, an issue about academic freedom or the openness of the campus to all points of view. Ben Stein spoke here last spring to great acclaim,” UVM President Dan Fogel said. “It’s an issue about the appropriateness of awarding an honorary degree to someone whose views in many ways ignore or affront the fundamental values of scientific inquiry and I greatly regret that I was not attuned to those issues.” (full story click here)

That’s right, for questioning Darwin and pointing out the racist implications of his theory (implications that Darwin himself drew in his DESCENT OF MAN), Ben Stein is now an affront to science.

Perhaps one beneficial consequence of the current recession/depression is that tax-payers will pay more attention to how their tax dollars are being misused by schools like UVM. But that may be too much to hope.

We’ll know that the tide has turned when Judge Jones’s Dover decision and Darwin’s inflated claims about the power of natural selection are themselves seen as an affront to science.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: benstein; cretion; danfogel; dover; evolution; intelligentdesign; judgejones; universityofvermont; uvm

1 posted on 02/03/2009 5:36:29 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: gondramB; editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; valkyry1; ...

ping!


2 posted on 02/03/2009 5:37:10 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
UVM President Dan Fogel

All part of the (intelligently designed?) plan?

3 posted on 02/03/2009 5:39:46 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

I would say that it is all part of an anti-intellectual crusade on the part of the Temple of Darwin.


4 posted on 02/03/2009 5:43:47 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Who woulda thunk it.  Vermont has a university?  I would suppose its most popular courses are migration (out) studies for the locals and migration (in) studies for New York’s red diaper babies and sewer scum.


5 posted on 02/03/2009 5:47:01 PM PST by Melchior
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To: GodGunsGuts

Who woulda thunk it.  Vermont has a university?  I would suppose its most popular courses are migration (out) studies for the locals and migration (in) studies for New York’s red diaper babies and sewer scum.


6 posted on 02/03/2009 5:47:21 PM PST by Melchior
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To: GodGunsGuts

Couldn’t care less.

Stein donated to Franken’s senate campaign.


7 posted on 02/03/2009 5:47:22 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR......Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Expelled again...


8 posted on 02/03/2009 5:47:32 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: GodGunsGuts

Stein’s movie Expelled is very successful in illustrating the foolishness and hypocrisy of elitist academics and liberals.

I’m going to buy several copies of it and have them sent to elitist liberals among my friends and family.


9 posted on 02/03/2009 5:48:25 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: GodGunsGuts

When you consider “gay-rights”, abortion-rights, endangered species protection, etc. There is no group of people that is more anti-Darwinian than liberals.


10 posted on 02/03/2009 5:49:46 PM PST by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot child is in charge!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
all part of an anti-intellectual crusade

Good point.

ignore or affront the fundamental values of scientific inquiry

Ben Stein is about as likely to ignore those values as Obama is to prefer McDonald's over wagyu beef (whatever that is).

I'm not sure what constitutes an "affront" to values, but Stein called some conventions and practices into question. Big deal.

11 posted on 02/03/2009 5:51:37 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

He did?!?! What the heck did he go and do that for?


12 posted on 02/03/2009 5:53:59 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

He felt that he should, being as how they have been friends for so many years.....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303383,00.html


13 posted on 02/03/2009 5:56:50 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR......Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Let’s see, the long-time jurist who made the obviously correct decision in a court case got an honorary doctorate, and the guy who lied and misrepresented all through a movie didn’t. No surprise here.

Sad, because I otherwise generally liked Ben Stein.


14 posted on 02/03/2009 5:59:47 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I would be very surprised if any state or private secular university would award an honorary degree to a champion of creationism or ID. A fundamentalist school might well do it, and I certainly think that those who appreciate Mr. Stein’s efforts should lobby such a school to honor him.


15 posted on 02/03/2009 6:05:18 PM PST by Mogwai ("Let them eat arugula!" - Obamarie Antoinette)
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To: Mogwai

The problem is not simple: many people don’t understand that ID is entirely different from creationism.


16 posted on 02/03/2009 6:09:37 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: antiRepublicrat

It appears your use of the term “lied” is erroneous.


17 posted on 02/03/2009 6:10:58 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: reasonisfaith

remember, worshippers at the altar of darwin consider all those ‘outside the faith’, thus you can erroneously question their motives, intellect and general intelligence...

it’s an old trick, but a goody....


18 posted on 02/03/2009 6:22:19 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: reasonisfaith

A misrepresentation is just a form of lying.


19 posted on 02/03/2009 6:45:10 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
"Stein donated to Franken’s senate campaign".

Can you substantiate that charge? Or are you just blowing smoke out your a$$?

20 posted on 02/03/2009 7:03:38 PM PST by neocon1984
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To: reasonisfaith

My husband and I saw “Expelled”. It was very worthwhile and a different and memorable movie. Just to see the egghead professors that believed in Darwinism, search for an answer to Ben’s questions, only to come up with no good answer at all, was worth the price of admission.


21 posted on 02/03/2009 7:09:50 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (That's Mrs.Chief Master Sgt. to you sonny.)
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To: neocon1984

“Can you substantiate that charge? Or are you just blowing smoke out your a$$?”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2177834/posts?page=13#13

I’m going to assume that you can read...


22 posted on 02/03/2009 7:16:50 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR......Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: reasonisfaith

Different, yes, but two sides of the same coin. “ID” is a pseudoscientific theory that tries to somehow debunk evolution with an alternative theory without any basis in the scientific method. Creationism(sts) just ignores science. I respect them in their honesty.


23 posted on 02/03/2009 8:27:22 PM PST by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 02/03/2009 8:34:39 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: antiRepublicrat

Yes, authoritarianism and propaganda are obviously correct, give the man a rubber degree!

What are you doing at FR?


25 posted on 02/03/2009 8:41:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: neocon1984
Can you substantiate that charge?

We report, you decide

26 posted on 02/03/2009 9:06:16 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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I didn’t get an honorary doctorate from the University of Vermont either, and nobody has written a word about it to my knowledge. What I’d like to have is one from DeVry. I’ll bet you don’t see many of those.


27 posted on 02/03/2009 9:13:20 PM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: editor-surveyor
What are you doing at FR?

Exposing those who lie to further their cause.

A good example was Guillermo Gonzalez, who was supposedly denied tenure at ISU because of his beliefs. They tell you a tenure rate of 91% at ISU, not the 66% in his department that is actually relevant. They tell you he was an outstanding academic, but that was prior to his time at ISU. In his time there, which is what counts, his work declined rapidly, the work he did was mainly rehashes of old data. He wasn't even first author of any papers for three years straight. What was he doing? Writing the non peer-reviewed The Privileged Planet instead of doing the kind of work that would get him tenure. Plus, none of his graduate students got their doctoral degrees, and he secured grant money at a rate far below average (and was repeatedly warned about it).

The picture is clearly of someone who was promising during his postdoc studies, but then ceased the kind of work that could fulfill that promise in tenure.

But the movie makes it look like there was a persecution for his beliefs. No, this is the ID version of playing the race card when you fail due to your own lack of merit.

28 posted on 02/03/2009 9:28:28 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: antiRepublicrat

What does that have to do with this thread?


29 posted on 02/03/2009 9:44:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
What does that have to do with this thread?

Ben Stein was the star of the movie that made that lie and others like it. Now life imitating art, people are claiming Stein is being persecuted for the same reason.

30 posted on 02/03/2009 9:59:38 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: GodGunsGuts

William ‘Bitter’ Dembksi really hasn’t got over the well merited and thorough kicking that ID and Creationism masquerading as science got at Dover. Good.


31 posted on 02/04/2009 4:25:38 AM PST by Natufian (The mesolithic wasn't so bad, was it?)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

My apologies.

I am stunned that Ben Stein would give money to that clown, but Ben has made a career of being weird.


32 posted on 02/04/2009 6:20:46 AM PST by neocon1984
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To: GodGunsGuts

I think Ben Stein would wear this as a badge of honor.
I know I would. ;o)


33 posted on 02/08/2009 8:00:53 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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