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President Obama seeks Russia deal to slash nuclear weapons
Times Online ^ | Feb 4, 2009 | Tim Reid

Posted on 02/03/2009 7:29:03 PM PST by CalifScreaming

President Obama will convene the most ambitious arms reduction talks with Russia for a generation, aiming to slash each country’s stockpile of nuclear weapons by 80 per cent.

The radical treaty would cut the number of nuclear warheads to 1,000 each, The Times has learnt. Key to the initiative is a review of the Bush Administration’s plan for a US missile defence shield in Eastern Europe, a project fiercely opposed by Moscow.

Mr Obama is to establish a non-proliferation office at the White House to oversee the talks, expected to be headed by Gary Samore, a non-proliferation negotiator in the Clinton Administration. The talks will be driven by Hillary Clinton’s State Department.

No final decision on the defence shield has been taken by Mr Obama. Yet merely delaying the placement of US missiles in Poland and a radar station in the Czech Republic — which if deployed would cost the US $4 billion annually — removes what has been a major impediment to Russian co-operation on arms reduction.

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We destroy our weapons while Iran builds theirs up.
1 posted on 02/03/2009 7:29:03 PM PST by CalifScreaming
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To: CalifScreaming

Such a wonderful idea. It’s amazing nobody has thought of this before His Zeroness arrived on the scene.


2 posted on 02/03/2009 7:30:32 PM PST by ducdriver (99% of liberals give the other 1% a bad name.)
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To: CalifScreaming

Yep and what about China also? I don’t consider them our friends either.


3 posted on 02/03/2009 7:30:38 PM PST by jafojeffsurf
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To: CalifScreaming

and Russia continues to do what they want. We are so screwed with this ZERO


4 posted on 02/03/2009 7:31:33 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: ducdriver

China would really like that idea.


5 posted on 02/03/2009 7:32:07 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: CalifScreaming

Jeez he is soooooooooooooo full of himself. All this pie-in-the-sky crap is really immature.


6 posted on 02/03/2009 7:32:43 PM PST by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: CalifScreaming

This fool is going to destroy this country. I hope all of the changebots who voted for him can explain to their kids and g-kids why the US lost its world leadership.....


7 posted on 02/03/2009 7:33:00 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: CalifScreaming

What is WITH these idiots and their fascination to go back and try to re-live history -only doing it THEIR way this time ‘round???

Reagan took care of Russia, barry... And the war in Iraq is NOT Vietnam!

Libs today feel that they missed out on all the GOOD stuff or something! They’re just insane!


8 posted on 02/03/2009 7:34:00 PM PST by J40000
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To: CalifScreaming

I can’t believe that idiot McCain did not bring up his plan to completely gut our defense and stop development of future weapons, including space. We are ceding our position of power in the world with Obama as President. I cannot wait until this garbage ends. Little do people know our military power and economic power are pretty closely related. When are on the decline in both right now thanks to this God awful presidency.


9 posted on 02/03/2009 7:34:30 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: CalifScreaming

Russia will hide its nuclear weapons and we won’t look for them. This happened during the 1970’s under Carter, when we didn’t enforce the SALT II treaty, but the Russians were allowed to see our stuff.


10 posted on 02/03/2009 7:35:09 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: CalifScreaming

The only thing that allows me to get any kind of sleep at all at night these days is the knowledge that we can blast the heck out our enemies many times over. (Although with O at the helm, it’s much less likely to happen, even if we are hit first). We shouldn’t reduce our arsenal by a single warhead.


11 posted on 02/03/2009 7:35:26 PM PST by norcal joe
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To: ducdriver

This would most certainly lead to WW3 ... and our demise


12 posted on 02/03/2009 7:35:47 PM PST by clamper1797 (Obummer ... "Change ... for the worst")
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To: CalifScreaming
which if deployed would cost the US $4 billion annually

Suddenly the Times is concerned about what things cost.

13 posted on 02/03/2009 7:36:19 PM PST by denydenydeny (People in dictatorships long for truth while pampered, decadent people in the West long for myth.)
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To: CalifScreaming; All

One more pleasant though. O also said he was against Star Wars programs. At the very least we HAVE to have that, You know to buy time to rebuild the nukes we end up destroying so we can fire back.


14 posted on 02/03/2009 7:36:45 PM PST by jafojeffsurf
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To: CalifScreaming

Maybe we’ll get lucky enough and Russia will protect us by not agreeing.

Don’t laugh, it’s more likely than our own President protecting us.


15 posted on 02/03/2009 7:37:13 PM PST by BobL
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To: CalifScreaming

Russia will happily slash 80%.

The 80% that won’t work anymore.


16 posted on 02/03/2009 7:37:16 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the socialist messiah. 1-20-13 Freedom Day.)
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To: CalifScreaming

Instead of destroying our weapons, can we just speed things up and hand them over to Iran?


17 posted on 02/03/2009 7:38:03 PM PST by lacrew (If Obama's friends paid their taxes, we'd have a surplus)
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To: eeriegeno

No kidding - Obama may as well turn his plans for ‘changing’ the USA over to Putin’s underground, the KGB. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE! PAY ATTENTION!


18 posted on 02/03/2009 7:38:29 PM PST by demkicker
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To: CalifScreaming

This guy is stuck in the sixties.


19 posted on 02/03/2009 7:39:00 PM PST by marron
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To: CalifScreaming

Expect the “peace in our time moment” where he take a big bow for the removal of Nuks.

Then he finds that Commie-KGB-Russians lie.

Only were stuck without a nuclear deterrent and he skates.

Having this IDIOT ideologue negotiate this deal IS A VERY BAD IDEA.


20 posted on 02/03/2009 7:39:27 PM PST by R0CK3T
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To: CalifScreaming
Ah yes, Russia. They're the ones who followed all those arms deals and treaties to the letter, going back to 1950's Yeah, sure, they can be trusted.
21 posted on 02/03/2009 7:42:46 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: CalifScreaming

To help me to understand by the numbers; how many nuclear weapons do we have and how many do the Iranians have? Thanks


22 posted on 02/03/2009 7:43:27 PM PST by Jolla
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To: CalifScreaming

Its almost as if he wasn’t paying attention when President Reagan talked with the Russians.

Reagan of course took the exact opposite approach, insisting on maintaining the development of the missile shield regardless of what the Soviet strongman offered.

Now, he wants to give it up even in advance of any talks as a precondition.

We will be screwed as Obama pulls out all the stops in his campaign for his own Nobel peace prize.


23 posted on 02/03/2009 7:44:13 PM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: CalifScreaming
..aiming to slash each country’s stockpile of nuclear weapons by 80 per cent.

What an idiot. Whose @ss did he pull that number out of? His or Rahm's? Russia is just going to laugh at him (or say, "sure, you first" and laugh at him later). Ask for something modest (and realisic), then toot your horn when you negotiate beyond that. As it stands, this ridiculous 80% number just gives his enemies a club to use against him.

24 posted on 02/03/2009 7:44:16 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: eeriegeno
This fool is going to destroy this country

This fool is going to destroy is destroying this country. Just that his voters haven't seen it yet. Or they don't care.

25 posted on 02/03/2009 7:44:17 PM PST by libh8er
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To: CalifScreaming

Why destroy , why doesn’t he just gift the nukes to Iran ? They have been working hard at it and I am sure A’jad would appreciate a friendly gesture.


26 posted on 02/03/2009 7:47:40 PM PST by libh8er
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To: CalifScreaming

This will not work.

After smallpox was eliminated from the world as a contagious disease, the Russians initiated a huge program weaponizing smallpox. They even developed a warhead (1993) capable of keeping the virus refrigerated so it wouldn’t be destroyed by heat when the warhead reentered the atmosphere. Please note: we were at that time in 1993 sending billions to Russia, helping them rebuild their shattered economy - and they were making improvements to WMD weaponry!

They will double-cross us on any move to reduce nuclear weapons. The Russians, the Chinese, the Persians (Iran) cannot be trusted.


27 posted on 02/03/2009 7:47:56 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: eeriegeno
This fool is going to destroy this country. I hope all of the changebots who voted for him can explain to their kids and g-kids why the US lost its world leadership.....

That is unless we are radioactive ashes floating in the stratosphere or at best, fighting alongside Mad Max.
28 posted on 02/03/2009 7:58:41 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: CalifScreaming
The radical treaty would cut the number of nuclear warheads to 1,000 each,...

Making every crack job potentate dream of being a nuclear super power.

29 posted on 02/03/2009 7:59:28 PM PST by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: CalifScreaming
We destroy our weapons while Iran builds theirs up.

And other Russian and Chinese allies like North Korea.

30 posted on 02/03/2009 7:59:41 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: CalifScreaming

Ahhh...........why?

Doesn’t seem like us or the former Soviets are trying to blow up the world lately.

Perhaps he should focus on the parts of the world interesting in building more nukes (Iran, N. Korea, etc..)


31 posted on 02/03/2009 8:00:28 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: CalifScreaming

California Screaming? (on such a Nuclear winter’s day...)


32 posted on 02/03/2009 8:01:25 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: CalifScreaming
From "45 Communist Goals":
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

'Goals' 4-45 can be found here or at many other sites through a web search for "45 goals":
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
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Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[i.e. not win it]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."
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New Pentagon Report: China's Growing Military Space Power
By Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
March 6, 2008

GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.

Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.

Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."

To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], go to (U.S. Dept of Defense) :
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
Reuters: Aug 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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Obama and the case of the missing 'thesis'
July 24, 2008
By Jim Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative Producer

excerpt:

The hunt for Obama’s senior “thesis” began with a throwaway line in a newspaper article last October. The New York Times story, on Obama’s early New York years, mentioned in passing that the presidential contender had majored in political science at Columbia and had spent his time “writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament.”

Journalists began hounding Columbia University for copies of the musty document. Conservative bloggers began wondering if the young Obama had written a no-nukes screed that he might come to regret. And David Bossie, the former congressional investigator and “right-wing hit man,” as one newspaper described him, took out classified newspaper ads in Columbia University’s newspaper and the Chicago Tribune in March searching for the term paper.

Bossie came up dry, but said the effort was well worth it:

“A thesis entitled Soviet Nuclear Disarmament, written at the height of The Cold War in 1983, might shed some light upon what Barack Obama thought about our most pressing foreign policy issue for 40-plus years (U.S.-Soviet Relations),” he wrote in an e-mail to NBC News.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219454.aspx
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Here is the passage from the New York Times that the above article refers to:

"He barely mentions Columbia, training ground for the elite, where he transferred in his junior year, majoring in political science and international relations and writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament. He dismisses in one sentence his first community organizing job — work he went on to do in Chicago — though a former supervisor remembers him as 'a star performer.'"

Obama’s Account of New York Years Often Differs From What Others Say
By JANNY SCOTT, October 30, 2007:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html?ex=1351396800&en=631bf83f428647f9&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss

33 posted on 02/03/2009 8:03:39 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Jolla; Admin Moderator
God established this great country of ours, HE has watched over and guided our leaders for years. HE had a hand and placed Obama in this office. I do not know the way of The Lord, he does work in mysterious ways. I also believe to go against Gods will may not be prudent.

Screeching troll alert.

God had nothing to do with this idiot being in Office.

L

34 posted on 02/03/2009 8:06:22 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. It's too late for the pebbles to vote.)
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To: libh8er; Braak
This fool is going to destroy is destroying this country. Just that his voters haven't seen it yet. Or they don't care.

They don't care as long as they get their freebies and the gravy train keeps on rolling. I just want to cry at times or just go to the nearest wall and punch a hole in it, that's how sick I am over this dang Zero in the White House. If I could push a button to restart 2008 and the election over again with different people, I'd do it. With very few exceptions like one special friend I don't discuss politics with, anybody that voted for him can go to Hell. I am very angry at all the sheeple out there. Even my mother weeped and cried on inauguration day. I'm glad I was working, otherwise I would have started.

If there is ever an atomic war and when the survivors pick up the pieces, I certainly hope Zero's name will be on the most hated list with Pol Pot, Adolph Hitler, Benedict Arnold and Vikdun Quisling and it will be taught to all the kids, along with "McGuffy's Reader." I hope when children are bad in those future time, when Zero's name is mentioned, it will strike a terror in kids so bad, they will be good.

I am so angry over this. Tell you the truth, Clinton did his damage, I got angry at him, but never the livid, white-hot anger like I have now. I thank God I can vent steam here to reduce the pressure, that is until Zero shuts us down. B-P Dang, sometimes I feel like the C. Thomas Howell character in "Red Dawn." One thing, we were born born in 1966. B-)

I've just had it up to here with all the Zero worshippers out there and Zero's stupid policies, my "I give a damn meter" is busted.
35 posted on 02/03/2009 8:16:17 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: jafojeffsurf
Remind me again of the stellar Russian record in complying with arms control treaties.

Didn't they cheat on every single one we ever signed with them?

Oh that's right. They did.

L

36 posted on 02/03/2009 8:18:21 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. It's too late for the pebbles to vote.)
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To: Nowhere Man
Obama and Co are just pulling all the stops out now, huh! Whether he really believes his hype or not the fact that he is pushing this only two weeks after taking office shows how completely unprepared this rookie is for the office. This is a complicated issue that requires, first, a quiet review of all aspects of doing such a deal with a regime that just recently invaded a neighboring country, has cracked down on many individual rights and has used oil and gas shutdowns to blackmail countries dependent on energy deals previously made.

I truly believe that many more Americans than we may believe are quickly turning on Obama and the Dems. As far as I can see Joe Biden's prediction that a major test of Obama will be forced by a foreign power in six months is way ahead of schedule. My small form of optimism is that the sheer speed to enact bills/policies with long-term repercussions that would fundamentally change the US status internally and externally will in the long term show how dedicated Obama and Co. purposely tried to achieve outright socialism while having denied so to our faces.

37 posted on 02/03/2009 8:19:17 PM PST by torchthemummy (My apologies if this post retreads on ground already covered!)
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To: CalifScreaming

The spirit of Nunn - Lugar now occupies the Oval Office.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhh!

(That’s my California scream ....) :-)


38 posted on 02/03/2009 8:19:47 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: CalifScreaming
"President Obama seeks Russia deal to slash nuclear weapons.

WOW, How ingenious!! What a guy!!!!

I am surprised nobody ever thought of this before!!!

Oh, wait.

39 posted on 02/03/2009 8:20:14 PM PST by R_Kangel (`.`)
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To: CalifScreaming

SALT III treaty?

Lovely.

Jimmah Cahtah part deux.


40 posted on 02/03/2009 8:23:31 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Give me Liberty or give me something to aim at)
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To: eeriegeno

I hope the fools can explain all the nuclear suitcase bombs that will start going off in our cities. Remember the youtube of him saying he won’t weaponize space and on and on. This got no attention during the campaign, but O is trying to implement his plans as he laid them out for all the world to see.


41 posted on 02/03/2009 8:24:22 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: GrouchoTex

Like it.

How’s the rest of your ditty go?


42 posted on 02/03/2009 8:25:35 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Give me Liberty or give me something to aim at)
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To: libh8er

WHat president would not do all he can to protect his country? I can gurantee that other country’s presidents aren’t backing down on their own defenses. They are laughing at the US.


43 posted on 02/03/2009 8:29:18 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: Lurker

Sometimes God puts evil, bad rulers in place to punish His people who have turned away from Him. Obama could be our punishemt for becoming a nation that constantly tries to remove God from everything everywhere. He knows Obama will lead our nation down the wrong path and that’s ok with Him because we are being punished for our sins. This is how it looks to me from a Biblical point of view.


44 posted on 02/03/2009 8:37:22 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: dandiegirl
God had nothing to do with this ma'am.

We did all of this to ourselves.

L

45 posted on 02/03/2009 8:42:32 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. It's too late for the pebbles to vote.)
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To: norcal joe

For me to sleep requires LOTS of scotch..... sigh


46 posted on 02/03/2009 8:43:48 PM PST by ODC-GIRL (Proudly serving our Nation's Homeland Defense... on a budget!)
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To: clamper1797

I think we’d win WWIII, provided it comes after His Zeroness is impeached.


47 posted on 02/03/2009 10:27:51 PM PST by ducdriver (99% of liberals give the other 1% a bad name.)
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To: CalifScreaming

Obama will be committing national suicide.


48 posted on 02/04/2009 12:05:46 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Admin Moderator

Breaking News please.

This is more important than Obama raising taxes this is national suicide.


49 posted on 02/04/2009 12:11:40 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
This is more important than Obama raising taxes this is national suicide.

Obama's all about "national suicide". That's a goal he shares with his friends, foreign and domestic.

50 posted on 02/04/2009 12:20:27 PM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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