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Does Michael Steele Pass Muster With Conservatives?
Human Events ^ | 2/4/2009 | Martha Zoller

Posted on 02/04/2009 2:01:43 AM PST by markomalley

The mainstream media will never give him a break, but conservatives should probably be comfortable with new RNC Chairman Michael Steele. On CNN, Don Lemon asked the CNN political reporter, “Is the RNC pandering, is Michael Steele legitimate?”

In an appearance on my radio program on Monday, Steele said “the Republican party is called racist when they don’t reach out and pandering when they do.” He went as far as to tell a reporter that asked him if he was legitimate to come back when he had a real question. If only the questions about his credentials were coming from the left. So the question is, will Steele pass muster with conservatives?

Three months ago, I wrote about Steele after we participated in a panel on the 2008 Elections. I believed then he would be the next chairman of the party, and it had nothing to do with race.

It was not an easy path to the chairman’s office for Steele. Groups opposing his involvement with the Republican Leadership Council say he’s too liberal. When Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday tried to box him in on the RLC’s mission to recruit pro-choice and pro-gay rights Republicans, he said he was not going to focus in on two issues and then invoked Ronald Reagan. However, these two issues are at the core of the social conservative agenda.

Michael Steele is a social conservative. He’s encouraged by the success groups in California cobbling together social conservatives, religious Latinos and Blacks on Proposition 8 in November. In 2008, the value of preaching a socially conservative agenda in minority communities increased dramatically. Prop 8 represents the future of the morality movement in America, and Steele sees it as both a winning movement and a way to mend fences with social conservatives who think he’s not one of them.

The new chairman understands the GOP message on immigration, and he knows how to communicate it. It’s not just conservatives that want border security. Steele said on Sunday, “The GOP's position on immigration is very much the position of many, many Hispanics who are in this country.” Steele went on to make the case when he said, “The GOP's position is secure our borders first. Let us know and let us make sure the American people know that we've taken care of the important business of dealing with illegal immigration into this country. You cannot begin to address the concerns of the people who are already here unless and until you have made certain that no more are coming in behind them…. How we messaged that is where we messed up the last time. We were pegged as being insensitive, anti-immigrant, and nothing could be further from the truth, because you talk to those leaders in the Hispanic community, they will tell you the same thing. They understand the importance of making sure the United States' borders are secure.”

That is the grassroots position held by a majority of Americans, not just conservatives.

The elephant in the room for Steele is not whether he’s a conservative -- he is -- but rather will he be conservative enough for the grassroots of the Republican Party. The code language for this is Christian conservatives. CCs are the most hated, loved or feared group of people in the Republican Party, depending on your point of view. The RINOs think these Bible-thumping hayseeds are ruining the party, but Christian conservatives represent the Party’s core values; RINOs don’t. And you can’t win without Christian conservatives. Steele is one of those Christian conservatives and has talked openly about his Roman Catholic faith.

Conservatives are responding positively to Steele but are wary. They’ve heard the talk before. Action is the only thing that will calm their fears and lead to wins for Republicans by getting the grassroots engaged again. Chairman Steele is hitting the ground running with updates to the website and how they will collect and disseminate information. He’s beginning to target upcoming elections in New York, New Jersey and in the off year. He knows he needs some wins under his belt, and when he gets those, conservatives will begin coming back to the fold and be happy about it. This Republican Chairman will have to be about message and a call to action. He’s got one election cycle to prove himself, and I think he’s up to it.

So will Michael Steele pass muster with conservatives -- fiscal conservatives and social conservatives? Yes, he will, and I think the hard-fought battle to become RNC Chair has honed his skills. He’s political, he wants to win and is conservative at his core. If he implements as well as he’s adapted in his campaign to be RNC Chair, then he’ll move conservative values forward through Republican wins.

But one warning from a Christian Conservative who believes he’s conservative enough to move the party forward: Don’t recruit wishy-washy conservatives. A party is only as good as the candidates and the actions they take once elected, and the electorate is impatient. You have a 4-year term, but like President Obama, your midterm exam is in 2010 and will determine what the future holds for you and the Republican Party. But for now, Mike, keep leaning right.


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1 posted on 02/04/2009 2:01:44 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley
Here is a post from a few days ago which I think is still relevant:

I think the position today is unique in its historical context. The chairman will become the default spokesman of the party. I suspect he is also going to be the leading policymaker-if he has the stuff for it. He must carry his policy with his rhetoric and he must contrive a policy which will justify the rhetoric. I see no one else on the horizon at this time who can step up to that role. By virtue of their offices the minority leader of the Senate and the minority leader in the House might offer themselves. Mitt Romney might evolve to a party spokesman but that will be awkward for an undeclared candidate. By default, Michael Steele will be the face of the party and probably its brain.

As you point out, his responsibilities include the nuts and bolts of running the party and that means herding cats but also a host of other duties: although he inherits $20 million, he must raise tens of millions more; the entire IT footprint of the party must be adapted to the Blitzkrieg introduced by the Democrats in the last two elections; candidates must be found who can wage credible campaigns at least in a few areas where we might regain some ground; a strategy must be developed to penetrate the red states and that implies selling something that the voters want to buy; legislative strategy must be coordinated with our minorities in the House and Senate so that the party speaks with one voice; discipline must be established and ruthlessly maintained; and finally, a sense of urgency and destiny must be imparted so that the whole country knows what is at stake and what must be done, they must believe it can be done, they must believe that it will be done. They must believe that only the Republicans can do it.

In sum, he must define conservatism and throw down the gauntlet to the creeping statism represented by Obama and his ilk. He must define the limits; this far and no further! These responsibilities call for a Winston Churchill or a Newt Gingrich. They beg for charisma. The Republican Party might have only one more chance for survival. We need a wartime leader not a conciliator. The best analogy I can think of is that of England in 1930s reluctantly shaking off Neville Chamberlain, its exponent of appeasement, for Winston Churchill whose warnings had been so terribly vindicated that no one now could gainsay him. He told him what his policy was: to wage war. to wage war on land, sea and air. He told them what his aim was: victory. Victory at all costs, victory whenever the price, victory no matter how long or hard the road.

Since the Republican Party is that it position analogous to Great Britain after the fall of France, anything short of this level of commitment dooms the party which in turn shelters and nurtures conservatism and that ultimately dooms the Republic.

This is no time for business as usual. Can Michael Steele grasp the nettle?


2 posted on 02/04/2009 2:19:56 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: markomalley

Michael Steele is black? When did that happen?

:D

Good luck there and bring knee high boots, you'll need them for what the democrats are shoveling at you.

Cheers!

3 posted on 02/04/2009 2:31:29 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: markomalley
In the video behind the link, you'll hear what Michael Steele and the Republican Party effete had to say to any of those of us who disagree with them. I transcribed the following excerpt from the dialog for you.

"RNC Chairman Michael Steele on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace" (video)

Republican National Committee
01FEB09

Wallace: I want to start with something that you said in your victory statement on Friday just after you were elected by the RNC, and here it is.

Steele: We want you to work with us. And for those of you who wish to obstruct, get ready to get knocked over.

Wallace: Who were you talking about? Who...who are...are you thinking may want to obstruct?

Steele: I'm thinking...uh, both inside and outside the Party.






Alright. I'll take you up on your threat!


Excerpts from On the Issues:

Michael Steele on Civil Rights
Click here for OR .
  • Support affirmative action and its improvements. (Oct 2006)
  • Affirmative action programs still necessary to close divides. (Aug 2006)
  • We're still discovering affirmative action in corporations. (Apr 2006)
  • Led commitment to $70M in grants to minority-owned business. (Apr 2006)
  • Move struggle to right to own the diner, not just sit in it. (Oct 2005)
More:

Standardized tests keep teachers from educating students. (Aug 2006)

Reinstate college-level grant and loan programs. (Aug 2006)

Revitalize the Chesapeake; focus on open space preservation. (May 2006)

Independent-minded bridge between two parties. (Oct 2005)

Quote from Steele's comment in interview:

Society should draw lines. What do you need an assault weapon for, if you're going hunting? That's overkill. But I don't think that means you go to a total ban for those who want to use gun for skeet shooting or hunting or things like that But what's the point of passing gun laws if we're not going to enforce them? If you want to talk about gun control, that's where you need to start. We've got 300 gun laws on the books right now. At the end of the day, it's about how we enforce the law.
Source: Washington Post interview Oct 16, 2006


Steele: GOP Should Reach Out To Gay, Pro-Choice Voters
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2176753/posts


Excerpted comment made by Steele on his work for Christie Todd Whitman's Republican Leadership Council (RLC):

This may be a unique opportunity to build a relationship or a bridge between the conservatives and the moderates in our party and so she asked me to serve on her board and I said well this will be good. It’ll be a pro-life conservative voice on a board with a pro-choice leadership that is looking to elect moderates. We have to elect moderates in the party.
From "Michael Steele to his Conservative Critics: Wake Up People!" (David Brody interview, CBN News)


Obama Smiles

Andrew C. McCarthy
National Review
January 30, 2009

Excerpt:
And then there is Eric Holder...As a top Obama adviser, Holder...In a radio appearance last week, Michael Steele, a Holder supporter who is a candidate to become head of the Republican National Committee, explained this, er, strategy. We have to be smart about picking our battles, he told a disgruntled conservative caller. Steele asked, is there any real chance of beating Holder? When she conceded there was not, he replied, with evident self-satisfaction: Why would I want to get into a fight we can’t win? He then spoke vapidly about how it was more important to get Holder in power: that, you see, is when we really get to confront him on issues. Somewhere, President Obama was smiling.



Meet The Press
October 29, 2006


MR. RUSSERT: ...Mr. Steele, if you’re United States Senator, would you vote for a constitutional amendment to outlaw abortion?

LT. GOV. STEELE: I don’t — vote for a constitutional amendment to outlaw abortion? I think we’d have to have that get to the Supreme Court, wouldn’t we? I haven’t seen that bill proposed. I don’t think...

MR. RUSSERT: That’s been introduced in the Senate.

LT. GOV. STEELE: I don’t think anyone’s going to propose that this day.

MR. RUSSERT: So you wouldn’t do that?

LT. GOV. STEELE: No.

MR. RUSSERT: Would, would you encourage — would you hope the U.S. Supreme Court overturns Roe vs. Wade?

LT. GOV. STEELE: I think that that’s a matter that’s going to rightly belong to the courts to decide ultimately whether or not that, that issue should be addressed. The, the Court has taken a position, which I agree, stare decisis, which means that the law is as it is and, and so this is a matter that’s ultimately going to be adjudicated at the states. We’re seeing that. The states are beginning to decide for themselves on, on this and a host of other issues. And the Supreme Court would ultimately decide that.

MR. RUSSERT: But you hope that the Court keeps Roe v. Wade in place?

LT. GOV. STEELE: I think the Court will evaluate the law as society progresses, as the Court is supposed to do.

MR. RUSSERT: But what’s your position? Do you want them to sustain it or overturn it?

LT. GOV. STEELE: Well, I think, I think, I think Roe vs. Wade, Roe vs. Wade is a, is a matter that should’ve been left to the states to decide, ultimately. But it, it is where it is today, and the courts will ultimately decide whether or not this, this gets addressed by the states, goes back to the states in some form or they overturn it outright.

MR. RUSSERT: Is is your desire to keep it in place?

LT. GOV. STEELE: My desire is that we follow what stare decisis is at this point, yes.



4 posted on 02/04/2009 2:34:17 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: nathanbedford
Steele has been put in a corner by MSM 'Rats a few times, esp. Tim Russert and Mike Wallace.

Russert forced the Kool-Aid down Steele's throat on abortion, back when Steele was running for U.S. Senate in Maryland, a liberal State. So of course Russert chased him around the room until he said he didn't want Roe vs. Wade revisited. Good wedge issue if you're a liberal 'Rat trying to beat a conservative in a liberal State -- or get the conservatives fighting each other.

Steele is wrong on affirmative action, but he's clean and green across the rest of the issue spectrum as far as I can see. Some people have tried to interpret things he's said as being anti-2A but I don't buy it. Also pro-gay, but what he actually said was, he wants to compete for the gay vote based on economic and liberty issues. Ditto women and other Hillaryoid "identity-politics" groups.

As for Roe vs. Wade, I think he's really pro-life, Tim Russert or no Tim Russert. Well, actually, it's no Tim Russert, isn't it?

5 posted on 02/04/2009 2:35:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: nathanbedford
“Victory at all costs, victory whatever the price, victory no matter how long or hard the road.”

I had an instant gut feeling toward Mr. Steele and it was I liked him.
I hope like his name invokes Michael is a man of Steel conservatism a Churchill?

If not...will we even have a Republic after Obama?

A hard road ahead indeed!

6 posted on 02/04/2009 2:36:16 AM PST by BellStar (Buy Gold/lead and head for the hills please God give us another chance!)
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To: markomalley
He went as far as to tell a reporter that asked him if he was legitimate to come back when he had a real question.

Reaganesque.

Definitely has the right take on illegal immigration. RKBA is not about hunting bunny-wabbits. I'd feel a bit better if he'd come out and state that he's content to toe the conservative line on 2A despite his personal views. Ditto for AA.

After that's sorted out, the question is whether or not he can lead the troops in congress. Someone needs to reign in the Maverick and his side-kicks in the Senate. If he can manage to get everyone pulling the oars in the right direction, we should have no problem regaining seats in 2010.
7 posted on 02/04/2009 2:37:26 AM PST by CowboyJay (Don't tread on me)
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To: familyop
You really don't like Steele, do you? You're chasing him all over the site.
8 posted on 02/04/2009 2:37:36 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: CowboyJay

And, in case I wasn’t clear, I like the guy.


9 posted on 02/04/2009 2:44:02 AM PST by CowboyJay (Don't tread on me)
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To: familyop; CowboyJay
[Your quote of Steele on 2A]

"If you want to talk about gun control, that's where you need to start. We've got 300 gun laws on the books right now. At the end of the day, it's about how we enforce the law."

In plain English this means, "Screw your gun-control bill, we've got enough gun laws. Don't like what's happening on the street? Arrest the criminals. Quit trying to hassle law-abiding gun owners with your statist crap."

Maybe this will help limn where Steele's coming from on 2A.

Enforcing existing laws is the right answer to gun crime.

10 posted on 02/04/2009 2:44:31 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
"You really don't like Steele, do you? You're chasing him all over the site."

I was a family rights activist for about ten years. Baseless personal insults and false accusations (even implied) won't get anywhere with me. Neither will threats from Party administrators or their followers.


11 posted on 02/04/2009 2:53:20 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: lentulusgracchus; familyop

The problem with Steele is that he is really a liberal...His positions on gun control and homosexual marriage will drive away voters who are usually reliable voting blocs

If you do not think his stance on gun control will hurt pro-self defense voters....then ask Al Gore about losing West Va and Tennessee in 2000 because of his gun-control stance...


12 posted on 02/04/2009 2:55:00 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (The UnHoly Grail of Anti-Americanism: Illegal Aliens, Globalism, Free Trade, WTO, UN,)
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To: familyop

You seem to be trying to make Steele out as some liberal on abortion, but this Q&A doesn’t do that. In the end he is saying this should be tossed back to the states, which is something many conservatives have called for—if that is done, which is clearly his desire, RvW would be null and void.

If you’re trying to paint him as a pro-abortionist, this doesn’t do it.


13 posted on 02/04/2009 2:57:01 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: markomalley

O’malley? ... I don’t buy Steele’s conservatism. We had a chance to listen to him during his last Maryland campaign, and I came away wondering if he knew just who he was. There was no conservative heart behind the words ... that was my impression after listening to his speech and comments: a politician trying to squeeze himself into the shape of something people wanted to hear, without passion or real core belief’s and principal. Saying the words, but you came away not sure he believed them. He’s a real friendly guy, amiable, physically imposing in somewhat of a CEO mold, but I think struggling to place himself. Maybe he is RNC chair because he is NOT so deeply committed to conservative principal. It seems a better position for him than candidate, however.


14 posted on 02/04/2009 2:57:33 AM PST by Check6
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To: markomalley

I have seen numerous attempts to make Steele look like a lib here. None convince. I haven’t made up my mind about him, but if all those who oppose him have is his attempts to not let Tim Russert and other MSM types paint him into a corner so his Dem opponents can have a “Gotcha!” then it just shows how many conservatives have fallen into the MSM trap and don’t know it.


15 posted on 02/04/2009 2:58:58 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: markomalley

I’ve been following this guys career for awhile now, and I like him, who knows the GOP might pull themselves out of irrelevance yet... But I’m not holding my breath!


16 posted on 02/04/2009 3:01:28 AM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: Darkwolf377
"You seem to be trying to make Steele out as some liberal on abortion,..."

I did not write any rhetoric on Steele regarding abortion. Next!


17 posted on 02/04/2009 3:03:28 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

Abortion? He should simply have given a constitutional conservative opinion, that individual states should have the right to decide the issue.


18 posted on 02/04/2009 3:05:04 AM PST by Check6
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
His positions on gun control and homosexual marriage

What positions? I see a typical NRA talking point in his reply on gun control. What about the homosexual "marriage" (non-marriage) issue?

19 posted on 02/04/2009 3:12:58 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
"The problem with Steele is that he is really a liberal...His positions on gun control and homosexual marriage will drive away voters who are usually reliable voting blocs"

It looks that way to me, too. I don't write much of my own commentary and post mainly quotes and information on votes, for the most part. Yes, my concerns are obvious, as the quotes show only the negatives about a politician (what we conservatives need to know the most). But my concerns are also analytical--not induced by hormones and madness so typical these days in political information (or propaganda) campaigns. ...can't help but wonder sometimes.

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20 posted on 02/04/2009 3:18:43 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior; familyop
....His positions on gun control and homosexual marriage....

[Quoting article]

He’s encouraged by the success groups in California cobbling together social conservatives, religious Latinos and Blacks on Proposition 8 in November. In 2008, the value of preaching a socially conservative agenda in minority communities increased dramatically. Prop 8 represents the future of the morality movement in America, and Steele sees it as both a winning movement and a way to mend fences with social conservatives who think he’s not one of them.

Further to your post, this article shows that Steele is in fact a social conservative and against the homosexual lobby's attack on marriage and marriage's normative power.

familyop, your crusty act cuts no ice with me, either. You want to bash the guy, take responsibility for it. You're stalking and spamming Steele threads. I have spoken.

21 posted on 02/04/2009 3:20:28 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: CowboyJay
Definitely has the right take on illegal immigration.

Steele is a RINO on imigration. Yes, he supports the fence but that is followed by his support of AMNESTY for the 30-40 million ILLEGAL socialists from mexico.

Amnesty would guarantee a permanent majority for the 'rat-commies. Forever.

Only a socialist supports amnesty.
Steele supports amnesty.
Steele, at best, is a RINO ala jorge & juan.

Thanks, but no thanks!

22 posted on 02/04/2009 3:30:48 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: nathanbedford

>>a strategy must be developed to penetrate the red states and that implies selling something that the voters want to buy

Real fiscal conservatism of the sort the Republican Party pretty much abandoned 2001-2008 would be a great start.


23 posted on 02/04/2009 3:35:18 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
"What positions? I see a typical NRA talking point in his reply on gun control."

["his reply on gun control"]
"Society should draw lines. What do you need an assault weapon for, if you're going hunting? That's overkill. But I don't think that means you go to a total ban for those who want to use gun for skeet shooting or hunting or things like that"


24 posted on 02/04/2009 3:39:35 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Caipirabob
In Maryland, we liked him a lot as Lt. Governor.

He would have been a great Senator, but the DemocRATS/Crooks elected the bum Cardin instead.

Side note: The so very tolerant and inclusive DemocRATS were the ones who threw Oreo cookies at him during the campaign.

25 posted on 02/04/2009 3:40:37 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: lentulusgracchus
"familyop, your crusty act cuts no ice with me, either. You want to bash the guy, take responsibility for it. You're stalking and spamming Steele threads. I have spoken."

...and spoken pretty much the way Ellie Smeal, Linda Elrod and others of their kind did to me with false accusations. ;-) I posted quotations and facts. You've replied so far with accusations based on your own rhetoric. There's been no "stalking" (serious accusation and libel on your part) and no "spamming."


26 posted on 02/04/2009 3:45:49 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop
I did not write any rhetoric on Steele regarding abortion. Next!

I didn't say you did.

Do you want to do the "message board wiseacre" thing, or do you want to have a discussion? Because I don't think this is an issue that's there for your enjoyment to one-up people.

You posted a specific exchange Steele made. You obviously are trying to make a point.

Ball's in your court--do you want to help all of us get to the bottom of Steele's actual position, or just goof around on a message board with little "gotcha!" quotes?

27 posted on 02/04/2009 3:46:30 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: Check6

Isn’t that what Steele is saying here?


28 posted on 02/04/2009 3:49:26 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: familyop

Having looked at your other responses on this thread, I think I have my answer. No need to reply further, thanks.


29 posted on 02/04/2009 3:52:26 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: BellStar

I too have always had a gut feeling hat this was a good man.. lets give him a chance


30 posted on 02/04/2009 3:56:03 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: nathanbedford
I hope so -- in Steele's case I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and even support. But I do remember listening as he hosted for Bill Bennett's morning talker, that I wish he wasn't (1) so go-alongish and (2) that he was more firmly grounded in the Founder's ideals.

The Founders would never have allowed a HUD, an Education Department, the Federal Drug Laws, and so on and on. The Founder's set up a limited Federal Government -- none of these post-Wilson, post-FDR, post-LBJ programs without a vigorous national discussion leading up to a Constitutional Amendment. I have not heard Steele address this fairly. Nor has he fairly addressed the natural born issue, nor properly noted the absolute corruption, criminality, venality and treason of nearly all of Obama's political cohort.

31 posted on 02/04/2009 4:05:36 AM PST by bvw
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To: Darkwolf377
"You posted a specific exchange Steele made. You obviously are trying to make a point."

...no posting of Steele's words allowed? Steele made those points, and I do object to them.

Over the past couple of years, dissent from Republican members in regards to the Party movement further to the left has too often been answered with baseless rhetoric, anecdotes, insults and false accusations (e.g., the Giuliani flamefests). I recently left the Party, in part, because of that and was essentially told by the Party, as so many others have been told, "good riddance."

By your comments, it appears that you want to see some opinions from me. Alright. Here they are.

If you would rather compete for the votes of aging Hillary fans on their way to the nursing homes, then that's your prerogative. But stifling conservative dissent from facts with waves of rhetoric, insults and implied threats will bring further political consequences.

We've had it with

* Anti-family politicians (so-called "affirmative action" included).

* Anti-Second-Amendment politicians.

* Anti-defense politicians (including CFR members).

* Anti-American politicians (supporting anti-American, anti-defense business practices in favor of antagonistic, communist nations).

* A two-party system becoming effectively a one-party system that is more European in nature than American.

Supporting such politicians and using uncivilized arguments for them may temporarily get more funding for your Party, but it will also deprive your Party of needed votes for a very long time.

My positions are state quite well behind the following link, even though I do not own the site.

http://falconparty.com/


32 posted on 02/04/2009 4:25:14 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop
...no posting of Steele's words allowed?

When did I say that?

You're obviously more interested in word games than in a serious discussion, and playing the victim instead of being clear, is a waste of everyone's time. Have a good day.

33 posted on 02/04/2009 4:38:06 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: markomalley
He** no... no more so than olympia snowe or susan collins or christy whitman could.

LLS

34 posted on 02/04/2009 4:38:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: markomalley
He's another black RHINO.

The GOP is the “STUPID PARTY”.

He likes AFFIRMATIVE ACTION and GUN CONTROL.

He's the new J.C. Watts or Colin Powell.

He was selected not for his CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY by rather the COLOR OF HIS SKIN.

35 posted on 02/04/2009 4:38:35 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Isn't it a pity?

If olympia snowe were black we could have made her head of the impotent RNC. That would be a double bonus pointer -
BLACK and FEMALE!!!!

36 posted on 02/04/2009 4:40:29 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: familyop
steele is a socialist and is also a racist... for affirmative action and reparations are inherently racist agendas... and steele embraces both so tightly that he has dented them.

LLS

37 posted on 02/04/2009 4:40:59 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Isn't it a pity?

If olympia snowe were black we could have made her head of the impotent RNC. That would be a double bonus pointer -
BLACK and FEMALE!!!!

On second thought do we have a part BLACK and part HISPANIC WOMAN that we could leverage on RACE AND ETHNICITY? That would really make the STUPID GOP gush with joy. That's how STUPID the GOP has become. They are just as surfacy and RACIST as Demoncrats.

38 posted on 02/04/2009 4:42:11 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: lentulusgracchus
We fight the enemies of liberty wherever they raise their heads... get used to it... we will point out every knife steele sticks into the backs of Conservatives. FR is a CONSERVATIVE SITE... not exclusive to repubic bots and their elitist country club army!

LLS

39 posted on 02/04/2009 4:44:05 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
their elitist country club army!

That needs to be kept in mind. The Rockefeller Republicans need to be kept in the grave.

40 posted on 02/04/2009 4:46:35 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
These uninformed refusniks will not see the light of truth burning into their eyes... steele is the worst possible pick... but the only thing that I can come up with why so many are willing to be fooled is because of his skin color... I guess... I am colorblind to skin so these things hold no meaning for me... I guess some repubics want their own version of a black messiah... steele is not even close... now Walter Williams would have been the best pick they could have made... but he is too smart to associate with the liars and thieves that rule the repubic party.

LLS

41 posted on 02/04/2009 4:48:52 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Russert forced the Kool-Aid down Steele’s throat on abortion, back when Steele was running for U.S. Senate in Maryland, a liberal State”

Steele along with Ken Blackwell ~ and to a lesser degree, Lynn Swann ~ were prime targets for the far left, who carpet bombed Maryland and Ohio in 2006 to make certain that a black conservative did not move up to elected national office.

That was job one.

Taking out Santorum in PA and George Allen in VA was job two. Many blame RINOs for neutering the GOP, but I think a little credit is due to the away team. They’ve identified targets and made their mark.

Maryland is a moonbat state, Mike was trying to walk a fine line. I can assure you that Steele is pro-life. He is NOT pro-gay. That assertion is stupid on it’s face.

Don’t know, haven’t heard about Second Ammendment? I have seen posts along the line that he does NOT personally own guns and neither do I, that doesn’t make me anti-2A. Do you really think the guy could get elected to head the RNC if he did not support that constituency?

As for Affirmative Action; that’s an evolving issue and I will gladly take Mike Steele’s version of AA, which probably entails making sure that minorities KNOW about opportunities version over Reid and Pelosi’s “White Hetero Males Need NOT apply for Work or Bid on Federal Contracts.”

The folks who are posting the talking points need to grow up and understand the way things work in a wacked out blue state like Maryland. They’re doing the dirty work for the libs.

You’re wise not to be fooled by such nonsense.

Yes, Russert is gone. May God have mercy on his soul. Personally, I liked the guy. It’s unfortunate that he used his position as a tool to advance the pro-abort agenda. I hope that he was able to repent.


42 posted on 02/04/2009 4:49:06 AM PST by incredulous joe (When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“He** no... no more so than olympia snowe or susan collins or christy whitman could.”

Your positions are uniformed.


43 posted on 02/04/2009 4:50:49 AM PST by incredulous joe (When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles)
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To: nmh

Well olympia’s soul is black... does that count?

LLS


44 posted on 02/04/2009 4:52:11 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Amen Darkwolf... amen!

LLS


45 posted on 02/04/2009 4:53:40 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: markomalley

Steele is no Reagan conservative. That’s all I need to know.


46 posted on 02/04/2009 4:59:04 AM PST by jeepers creepers
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To: LibLieSlayer
Well olympia’s soul is black... does that count?

LOL You are bad.

Don't freak out, LLS, but I will probably be lumped in with the "refusniks". I haven't read enough about this guy, and with all due respect, I don't like or dislike someone because FReepers I respect do--we don't need no stinking followers!

But Snow is the perfect example of what we DON'T need. She's not even a RINO, since I've never even heard her identify herself as a Republican without seeing her cringe like she doesn't want her friends to hear her talk about it.

Become a Dem and be done with it, lady.

47 posted on 02/04/2009 4:59:21 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: Caipirabob
The mainstream media will never give him a break, but conservatives should probably be comfortable with new RNC Chairman Michael Steele. On CNN, Don Lemon asked the CNN political reporter, “Is the RNC pandering, is Michael Steele legitimate?”

He doesn't pass muster with this conservative. He stands for gay marriage, abortions, and gun control to name a few. Read his comments and look at his record and any right think conservative will agree with me. Mike Steele is no conservative but another Left Leaning RINO of the McCain type.

48 posted on 02/04/2009 5:02:27 AM PST by calex59
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To: Caipirabob
The mainstream media will never give him a break, but conservatives should probably be comfortable with new RNC Chairman Michael Steele. On CNN, Don Lemon asked the CNN political reporter, “Is the RNC pandering, is Michael Steele legitimate?”

He doesn't pass muster with this conservative. He stands for gay marriage, abortions, and gun control to name a few. Read his comments and look at his record and any right think conservative will agree with me. Mike Steele is no conservative but another Left Leaning RINO of the McCain type.

49 posted on 02/04/2009 5:02:36 AM PST by calex59
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To: Check6
Abortion? He should simply have given a constitutional conservative opinion, that individual states should have the right to decide the issue.

Ditto. I am anti-abortion but acknowledge that it is a state or local issue.
50 posted on 02/04/2009 5:14:53 AM PST by SisterK (building an underground economy one brick at a time)
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