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Italian government passes emergency decree to save Eluana Englaro
CatholicNewsAgency ^ | Rome, Feb 6, 2009

Posted on 02/06/2009 9:56:06 AM PST by GonzoII

www.catholicnewsagency.com

Italian government passes emergency decree to save Eluana Englaro


Eluana Enlargo

.- Italy’s Council of Ministers, headed by Silvio Berlusconi, unanimously approved an emergency decree on Friday to stop the father of Eluana Englaro from killing her by removing hydration and food. However, this morning at the clinic La Quiete, where Eluana is staying, the process to end her life was initiated.

According to the newspaper La Repubblica, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi commented on his motivation for passing the emergency decree, saying, "I do not want the responsibility for the death of Eluana."

The decision of the ministers could become law, but still requires the signature of Italy’s President Giorgio Napolitano, who is reportedly against the decree. Unless the decree is signed, Englaro’s feeding tube will be removed today, after which it will take two weeks for her to starve to death.

The Italian newspaper La Stampa reported on Friday that Prime Minister Berlusconi spoke with the Vatican’s Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, but the Vatican "categorically denied" a phone conversation ever took place. La Stampa’s story was following the oft repeated accusation that the Catholic Church is trying to sway the political decisions surrounding Eluana’s case.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eluanaenglaro; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife

1 posted on 02/06/2009 9:56:07 AM PST by GonzoII
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2 posted on 02/06/2009 9:56:56 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

I have to seriously consider moving to Italy...


3 posted on 02/06/2009 9:58:19 AM PST by pgkdan
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Catholic Ping
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4 posted on 02/06/2009 9:58:25 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: wagglebee; 8mmMauser

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5 posted on 02/06/2009 10:00:31 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: All

President of Italian bishops’ conference pleads for life of Eluana

Rome, Feb 6, 2009 / 11:30 am (CNA).- The Archbishop of Genoa and president of the Italian Bishops’ Conference, Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, has issued a fervent plea that Eluana Englaro, the Italian woman who has been in a “persistent vegetative state” for 17 years, not be euthanized by her father, who intends to remove her feeding tubes today.

In a story published by the L’Osservatore Romano, the cardinal points out, “We are at a very grave and sad moment in the history of our beloved country, and the death by euthanasia of Eluana Englaro” would be “a grave wound” and a “failure.”

“We are very concerned because this kind of a path toward euthanasia would have a very painful conclusion, it would be a grave wound in our culture, which has always been a culture that promotes, cares for and defends life in all of its forms, especially when it is most fragile, as our Pope has recalled,” the cardinal added.

Cardinal Bagnasco said, “The degree of civilization of a people, of a culture, is marked first of all by its capacity to respect and embrace, in the most beautiful, most responsible way, life when it is fragile: from the moment of conception until natural death.”

Outside the La Quiete Hospital, where Eluana is being kept, pro-life groups have gathered to offer prayers and solidarity with the woman known as “Italy’s Terri Schiavo.”

6 posted on 02/06/2009 10:01:58 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: GonzoII

Shivo all over again. Get the f ing government out of our family decisions.


7 posted on 02/06/2009 10:08:06 AM PST by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: pappyone
"family decisions"

Hit man decisions you mean..

8 posted on 02/06/2009 10:14:53 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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9 posted on 02/06/2009 10:24:52 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: pappyone; GonzoII; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Sun; Dante3; Lesforlife
Shivo all over again. Get the f ing government out of our family decisions.

So newbie, you think that a person's family has some "right" to kill them for convenience?

You may be confused, but Free Republic is a PRO-LIFE forum, not some liberal pro-death site.

10 posted on 02/06/2009 10:28:24 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: pappyone

A good tag line might be “Leaving FR now to join the democrat blogs”

I only wish the government would’ve interceded in the Shiavo situation.

Militant


11 posted on 02/06/2009 10:40:39 AM PST by militant2 ( "God Bless these Divided States of America!")
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To: wagglebee

“The care of human life and happiness and not their destruction
is the chief and only object of good government”

Thomas Jefferson


12 posted on 02/06/2009 10:40:44 AM PST by Lesforlife
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To: militant2

LMAO!


13 posted on 02/06/2009 10:49:53 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: pappyone; GonzoII; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Sun; Dante3; Lesforlife; militant2
Get the f ing government out of our family decisions.

Well troll, you should be happy to know that your comrades agree with you:

Italy’s Communist President Refuses to Sign Passed Temporary Measure to Save Eluana Englaro


14 posted on 02/06/2009 11:12:33 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The articles says they have “started the process to end her life” or something - when are they going to stop that??

Such disgusting euphamism.


15 posted on 02/06/2009 11:24:49 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: pappyone

So right - why should the government interfere if I decide my old father’s quality of life is no good? I’m sure he’d want to die if he could talk!


16 posted on 02/06/2009 11:25:55 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah
Evidentially, you've not had the heart rending experience of holding your fathers or mothers hand as they lay dying from a terminal illness. I've done both. You are a fool if you think the government should have a role in the decisions made at the end of life. And yes, end of life is a medical term, the point at which medical science no longer has any treatment options available. I am probably the most conservative person you will ever meet. Conservative does not mean abrogating family decisions to the government. You want the government involved in the end of life decisions, would you also let the government tell you when to start a life, like deciding when you and your wife could have a baby, or maybe the government could decide that the baby your wife is carrying is defective and should be aborted. In fact, I guess you support Pelosi’s failed contraception millions to “help the economy through limiting the number of children born”. There's you government telling you how to care for your family.
17 posted on 02/06/2009 11:45:40 AM PST by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: pappyone

Maybe we should starve you, troll! I mean, starve you of something other than intelligence. That apparently happened quite some time ago.


18 posted on 02/06/2009 11:52:23 AM PST by Red Reign (Storm clouds gather. Fear not, it's a Red Reign that's coming.)
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To: militant2
Cue response, but childish. How in the hell can you call yourself a conservative when you advocate government interference in the most basic of life decisions? Look at the flip side. Would you want the government telling you and your wife when or even if you could start a family? Or a quota on the number of children? That's the biggest of big brother interference in individual freedom.
19 posted on 02/06/2009 11:55:27 AM PST by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: pappyone; little jeremiah; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; 8mmMauser
You are a fool if you think the government should have a role in the decisions made at the end of life.

It is a GOVERNMENT COURT which is ordering her death, just like what was done with Terri.

And yes, end of life is a medical term, the point at which medical science no longer has any treatment options available.

Hey troll, we ALL need food and water.

I am probably the most conservative person you will ever meet.

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

20 posted on 02/06/2009 11:59:16 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: pappyone; militant2; little jeremiah; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; 8mmMauser
That's the biggest of big brother interference in individual freedom.

Hey dumbass, the BIGGEST interference with freedom imaginable is to kill someone.

21 posted on 02/06/2009 12:00:57 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Wrong answer, I am not a troll. I simply disagree with your viewpoint on this issue. But you are in good company. Seems my initial comment caused a strong reaction, but that was not my intent. Anywho, I stand by my conservative values of less government interference in my family decisions.
22 posted on 02/06/2009 12:02:41 PM PST by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: pappyone; militant2; little jeremiah; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; 8mmMauser
Wrong answer, I am not a troll. I simply disagree with your viewpoint on this issue.

Yes you agree with THESE people:

This person suffering from hereditary defects
costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime.
People, that is your money. Read ‘New People’.

23 posted on 02/06/2009 12:04:35 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: pappyone
Anywho, I stand by my conservative values of less government interference in my family decisions.

In case you missed it before, the ONLY person in the Italian government who agrees with you is a COMMUNIST:

Italy’s Communist President Refuses to Sign Passed Temporary Measure to Save Eluana Englaro


24 posted on 02/06/2009 12:07:09 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: pappyone

Oh, you are most definitely a troll. Your opinion is that it’s okay to murder someone, as long as you want to. My opinion is, if you come close enough to be a threat to me or my family, you will be in grave danger. I’ll use the legislature for what it’s worth, but they won’t have the last word. I will.


25 posted on 02/06/2009 12:29:02 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
Oh, you are most definitely a troll.

Ya think?!

26 posted on 02/06/2009 12:34:35 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: pappyone

Actually, I took care of my mother for 5 months while she lay dying of cancer. I’ve sat by a hospice patient as she died. I worked as a hospice volunteer. I sat by one friend as she lay dying.

I want the government OUT of life and death decisions, other than to PROTECT life. You, OTOH, are pretending you want the government out of personal life, yet you want the government to ALLOW the government to interfere with life, to permit family members to kill other family members, or doctors to kill patients.

Anyone who wants to can commit suicide, there are books and socities to help people commit suicide. If nothing else, a person can voluntarily stop eating and drinking and guaranteed, their life will end.

Your bullshit is tiring, and the lie you are spewing - that I am the big gov advocate, is transparent as a pane of glass. You should at least be big enough to be honest and admit that YOU are the one who wants government meddling with life and death, not me.


27 posted on 02/06/2009 12:45:25 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah
You should at least be big enough to be honest and admit that YOU are the one who wants government meddling with life and death, not me.

Then you favor eliminating laws that intrude on personal decisions to end ones life?

28 posted on 02/06/2009 12:50:35 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: pappyone; little jeremiah
I have every confidence that Little Jeremiah would never kill his mother, father, nor anyone else. Here's what your plan looks like. Do not attempt to corrupt the health care system that I and my loved ones depend on.


29 posted on 02/06/2009 12:57:33 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: pappyone

“Cue response, but childish....”

How you read that “cue response” into my statement is quite interesting. You’re obviously defensive due to the a$$-kicking you’ve been getting here lately.

Here’s the deal....try to follow along.....I want government OUT of most personal decisions. But when it comes to someone taking a life (whether that be abortion or the situation cited here) I want an intervention by whomever to make it stop!

If that’s childish, then I’m a kid...

Militant


30 posted on 02/06/2009 1:00:41 PM PST by militant2 ( "God Bless these Divided States of America!")
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To: GonzoII
Pinged from Terri Dailies


31 posted on 02/06/2009 1:58:42 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ColdWater

No, I favor keeping laws in place that protect everyone’s life. No law should be enacted to allow doctors, nurses or family members to kill anyone.

Anyone RIGHT NOW who wants to kill themselves can do so. As I said above, you or anyone even if completely helpless, with no recourse to cliffs, guns, ropes, poisons, car tail pipes, etc - can stop eating and drinking this minute, and your life will end very soon.

It’s free, easy and anyone can access it.

I am in favor of limited government, and the primary duty of government is to protect the lives of each and every citizen, no matter how small, how disabled, or how “unimportant”. (With the exception of criminals who need execution, but that is another matter.)

What YOU and your peeps want is the nanny government to force the medical profession into meddling with peoples’ private lives, by legitimizing suicide, which will then turn into active euthanasia, as it has already done. YOU and your peeps are the ones who want nanny government intervention.

Not only are you death cultists and nanny state lovers, you are liars and frauds because you are pretending that you want less government, when in actuality you want more.

If suicide was impossible without all these new laws passed, how is it that thousands of people commit suicide every year? Without the medical profession and government laws involved? Hmmm?


32 posted on 02/06/2009 2:33:47 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: BykrBayb

You are entirely right, BykrBayb. Death is not the worst thing, as it is already assured for everyone who is born. But to hasten it in the name of “mercy” or “compassion” is ghoulish and evil Doublespeak at its worst.

These death worshippers do not see themselves clearly; they are amazingly self-deluded. And aggressive about it.


33 posted on 02/06/2009 2:36:11 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah
What I don't understand is how those people (pappyone) think it is ok to determine when someone else's life is of no value...but should that scenario be flipped, they would flip!

Let them (pappyone) be in a position like Terri or someone else....where you can't speak, but your mind is totally there. You can hear, but people treat you as if you are stupid because you can't respond. They suddenly decide they are tired of visiting you in the hospital, seeing you in what they perceive as misery, and declaring your life of no value and choosing to snuff it out. Or maybe it is that you, like the unborn, have become an inconvenience! You might be silently screaming from inside your body, "I can see you! I can hear you! What do you mean, starve me? What did I do to deserve this? Remember all I have done for you and I meant to you not so long ago?" NOTHING LIKE THE SILENT SCREAM! Whose misery are they putting them out of?? How can they suddenly decide they are GOD to determine a person's life is no value and time to be over? So...then...what makes pappyone and people like pappy any different than Hitler, determining who should live and who should not...sending people to the gas chamber because Hitler determined they were a misery to him, they were less, their life was of no value... what a corrupt society!! What a corrupt mindset!! what a narrow perspective on life!! GOD has moved and awakened people who were in comas for years! GOD is GOD and not man. GOD should be the only one to hold the keys to life and death. perhaps it is a twisted mindset and belief that they are now, themselves "god" with that right and privilege to determine life and death. God spoke about that and addressed it. "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" I don't see any ifs, ands,buts or maybes there.GOD doesn't say, well, its ok for you to choose your personal preference for your life, either! He stated it plain as day in 4 words.

Stepping off my soapbox. Deeply saddened. Continuing to pray for the horrible turn our country leadership has taken, and the direction other countries in Europe are headed. Forgive me, LJ for ranting.

34 posted on 02/06/2009 3:00:31 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: MountainFlower

Well stated, and obviously from the heart!

Bless you!

Militant


35 posted on 02/06/2009 4:19:25 PM PST by militant2 ( "God Bless these Divided States of America!")
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To: militant2; All

I work in a nursing home as an activities assistant. I have sat with my friends as they are dying...singing to them, reciting scripture, holding their hand, swabbing their lips, fluffing their pillows...was honored to be at the bedside of a veteran, as he pass on to glory. It ripped my heart out. It still does. Every one of my residents is a person with a life story and great value to those who shared their life, as well as value to the Lord. They deserve the right to die in God’s time, with dignity. Hospice does everything to be with them and keep them comfortable and as pain free as possible, when they are involved. When they aren’t involved, we do everything within our power to do the same for them. I cannot fathom doing this to anyone...refusing them the care they need...Terri and this other woman, they suffer an awful death when they are starved and dehydrated. I witnessed this being done and it took 4 weeks for her to die!! 4 weeks!! HOW is that humane? HOW is that right? It isn’t.


36 posted on 02/06/2009 4:32:15 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: MountainFlower

It’s not a rant, it’s the truth, and needs to said often and loudly.


37 posted on 02/06/2009 4:43:13 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: MountainFlower

Words escape me. You are a Saint.

Militant


38 posted on 02/06/2009 7:44:31 PM PST by militant2 ( "God Bless these Divided States of America!")
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To: militant2
::coughing violently::
::gasping for air::

far from it! was nice thought though!! for just a moment, I was trying to picture me as that and....POOF, it disappeared! ::laughing::

Sorry, Militant. Not laughing at you. Laughing at me! I have made more than my share of bad choices in the past. Good grief, for my age, I better wise up and not make any more...I made enough for a lifetime! Let's just say God puts me in the places He wants me, so He can use me as a tool for His use. Praying it is for His glory, too.

39 posted on 02/06/2009 7:51:16 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: MountainFlower

“I have made more than my share of bad choices in the past.”

God’s lessons on how not to do things! That’s why, by His grace, we have free will and the ability to choose which roads to take!

Keep laughing.....it’s food for the soul! :)

Militant


40 posted on 02/07/2009 5:18:24 AM PST by militant2 ( "God Bless these Divided States of America!")
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To: little jeremiah

“You are entirely right, BykrBayb. Death is not the worst thing, as it is already assured for everyone who is born. But to hasten it in the name of “mercy” or “compassion” is ghoulish and evil Doublespeak at its worst”

I suppose letting a shell of a person lie there for 17 years in a vegetative state is “mercy” and “compassion”, right? Wrong. That is what is truly evil and ghoulish.


41 posted on 02/08/2009 3:26:26 AM PST by flaglady47 (Four years of captivity, no relief in sight)
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To: flaglady47

Who gets to decide who is worthy of life and who is not? You? God forbid!


42 posted on 02/08/2009 10:52:44 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah

“Who gets to decide who is worthy of life and who is not? You? God forbid!”

The state that woman was in was not life, not by a long shot. You go lie there with no consciousness for 17 years and then tell me all about how its life. It’s not, it’s torture.


43 posted on 02/08/2009 10:25:47 PM PST by flaglady47 (Four years of captivity, no relief in sight)
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To: flaglady47

You have not experienced whatever she has experienced. And if you think starving and thirsting to death is preferable, this is proof that your conscience is dead.


44 posted on 02/08/2009 10:55:42 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah

“You have not experienced whatever she has experienced. And if you think starving and thirsting to death is preferable, this is proof that your conscience is dead.”

Oh yeah, if she had any sense of experience at all, it must have been a real thrill for her to realize she was trapped lying there for 17 years, doing nothing at all. Some experience. Wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. As to the starving and thirsting to death, it was an act of extreme generosity and love to put this woman out of her misery, although I doubt she had any sense of misery at the end at all, as she wasn’t conscious.

What you wished for her was a 17 year living death sentence. And you wanted her relatives, in particular her father, to abrogate his decision making and wishes, so that he too could suffer some more in life, on top of the 17 years of watching his daughter live the life of a vegetable. How charitable of you.


45 posted on 02/08/2009 11:28:14 PM PST by flaglady47 (Four years of captivity, no relief in sight)
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To: flaglady47

WIth all due respect, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” should be done unto you pronto. You think it’s merciful to starve and thirst to death? May you experience that, since you think it’s so great.

Any other cruel and hateful statements you make will generate no response from me.


46 posted on 02/09/2009 8:32:59 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah

“WIth all due respect, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” should be done unto you pronto. You think it’s merciful to starve and thirst to death? May you experience that, since you think it’s so great.

Any other cruel and hateful statements you make will generate no response from me.”

With all due respect, it has been you that has personalized this issue by making such statements as above (that I should experience starving and thirsting to death). I therefore suggest that you should lie in an unconscious coma for 17 years, and that someone should come along to stop your relatives from ending such a state of “existence” so that you lie there in a coma for another 17 years. Tit for tat here, my friend.

And, I am sincerely hoping that I will not have a response from you, because it will be based totally on emotion and not on logic or rational thinking. So, we end this “conversation” here, as it never had anywhere to go in the first place. You are locked in your beliefs, and on this particular topic, I, in mine.


47 posted on 02/09/2009 6:32:35 PM PST by flaglady47 (Four years of captivity, no relief in sight)
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