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Washington State Introduces Claim to State Sovereignty
nolanchart.com ^ | 2/04/2009 | Gary Wood

Posted on 02/06/2009 11:19:30 AM PST by ForGod'sSake

Legislatures in Washington State have introduced legislation claiming state sovereignty. This legislation sends a strong message that many believe the 10th Amendment still stands.

The legislation was first read a few days ago, on January 30th. It was then referred to the Committee on State Government and Tribal Affairs. While some will claim it has little chance of passing we cannot underplay the importance of the message it sends to the country. Washington State legislators have joined with New Hampshire legislators in putting our original form of a Federalist Republic in the forefront of thought at a critical time in our history.

Reading through "House Joint Memorial 4009" is like taking a ride through the history of the 10th Amendment. There are praises for the contribution by stating in lines 17 through 19, "WHEREAS, Federalism is the constitutional division of powers between the national and state governments and is widely regarded as one of America's most valuable contributions to political science;" and goes on to quote the words of James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and Alexander Hamilton. Two potential side benefits are a must read for all political science classes and a great foundation for high school debate teams even if their legislation never leaves committee.

If you are one of the many who long for the restoration of our promise of the Declaration of Independence through the road map of our Constitution you will truly enjoy the ending statements from Page 2, Lines 36 and 37 combined with Page 3, Lines 1 through 8.

"NOW THEREFORE, Your Memorialists respectively resolve:

(1) That the State of Washington hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States; and

(2) That this serves as a Notice and Demand to the federal government to maintain the balance of powers where the Constitution of the United States established it and to cease and desist, effective immediately, any and all mandates that are beyond the scope of its constitutionally delegated powers."

Among his "15 Key Principles of the Founding Fathers" Gary Alder teaches "The 9th and 10th Amendments are the keystones to preservingFreedom." as number 14. Keystones are central supporting elements and it is apparent some in Washington State and New Hampshire recognize the critical nature of the 10th Amendment and state sovereignty. Which state will be the next to claim their sovereignty?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; cwii; feralgovernment; statesrights; washington
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A low rumble off in the distance....

Very odd that two of the most leftist states in the nation(New Hampshire being the other) are rattling sabers -- well, sortof. What is their motivation?

Some additional links, thanks going to SunkenCiv:


1 posted on 02/06/2009 11:19:30 AM PST by ForGod'sSake
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To: sionnsar

Ping.


2 posted on 02/06/2009 11:21:18 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: sionnsar

WA Ping


3 posted on 02/06/2009 11:22:30 AM PST by RainMan
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To: ForGod'sSake

Cool.


4 posted on 02/06/2009 11:24:37 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: ForGod'sSake

The income tax amendment and the interstate commerce clause makes it moot.

The interstate commerce clause allows the federal government to control a great deal. And with the income tax amendment, the federal government can take money from the states and withhold it, unless the state does what is required by the federal government. The state won’t get that money back unless the state cooperates.


5 posted on 02/06/2009 11:25:01 AM PST by mc6809e
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To: ForGod'sSake

Very strange indeed. This administration would have to be their ultimate wet dream. So what IS driving this?


6 posted on 02/06/2009 11:26:01 AM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: RainMan

bump


7 posted on 02/06/2009 11:26:21 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

How far can Big BroMoFo push us—you see the direction people are turning by this and other posts all over the net!

e.g.

http://middleburyinstitute.org/


8 posted on 02/06/2009 11:26:55 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: SunkenCiv; Poser; Hemingway's Ghost; central_va; TruthConquers; Durus

Pinging a few from the “other” thread.


9 posted on 02/06/2009 11:27:09 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Don’t forget about Arizona!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2178623/posts


10 posted on 02/06/2009 11:27:17 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: DoughtyOne

THis is what’s driving it:

How did we get here?
1) In 1977 the Community Reinvestment bill passes a democrat Congress and is signed by Jimmy Carter. This opened federal dollars to organizations like ACORN.
2) ACORN is the brainchild of a couple of very evil people named Cloward and his wife Piven. They taught their theory to William Rathke and he took it from there. They stated that the best way to take down a capitalist society was to flood the government welfare rolls with massive numbers of poor people. Ask Rudy Giuliani, he dealt with it in New York. Because America was good at being resilient and creating wealth, that idea alone failed, so they changed tactics. They expanded to include MORTGAGES in 1992. They went for the Banking Industry instead.
3) In 1992 Federal Housing Enterprises Regulatory Reform Act of 1992 is passed by a Democrat congress. This gave lots of money to ACORN and also MANDATED to banks, BY LAW that they had to ignore the standard practices of good lending, in other words, you no longer needed to prove income, have a down payment, created the 80/20 mortgages system, and oh also, if you were black it was even more closely enforced, particularly by lawyers that worked for... ACORN, like say Barak Obama? Yea, exactly. So banks are now FORCED to make mortgages they KNOW are doomed to fail.
You see, they use the Mantra, well its for the Poor... you have to help the poor.... its just so SELFISH and so WRONG not to help the poor.....
Uh hua. Sound familiar?
They knew what they were doing. They were loading a great big enema is what they were doing. Keep in mind these people are PATIENT, they are willing to wait 8 years 20 years, 40 years, to further their goals when they get shut down by a Republican Congress or Presidency or both, they just wait, and train up new recruits into their ideology, which is how they created That Arab in the White house named Obama(he is 6% black 50% white and 44% Arab). But as soon as they get a congress loaded with their followers, and one in the white House, which is what we have now, BLAMO we get Porculus.
But before we even get to Porculus, you have to take into account why we are even at this point.
The Mortgage Meltdown. When all these ACORN fed poor people started having trouble holding onto their houses, they began defaulting, surely not something those people wanted to have happen, but the creators behind CRA and the 1992 Bill wanted it. Oh yes they wanted it. They stacked the deck to make CERTAIN it would happen. Why? Simple. Homeowner pays the bank for his house, bank pays other banks THEY borrowed money from to make the homeowners loan possible. Bank 3 buys up bunches and bunches of these loans and sells them to investors here and over seas, after all they are guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the favorites of Democrats and the ripest fattest shiniest cherry in the Democrats Golden Parachute tree. The Government of the United States was guaranteeing the loans, would make the PAYMENTS on the loans if anything “bad” happened. Well, that’s all great till the cost of living goes up and all those adjustable rate mortgages start kicking in. At that point the default rate can and did go right through the roof, in the tens, no hundreds of Millions. Banks had no payment monies coming in, they could not make the payments on their own debts. The river of money suddenly STOPS and banks start failing, they have no money, and no one is lending money, and the House that Jack built falls apart.
DELIBERATELY
Bear Sterns got a Gov. Bailout from the treasury in Aug of 08, Lehman Brothers fails in September 08 and gets NO bailout (the Treasury recognized there was no way they could bail out 1 in every 5 Banks in the United States, let alone the world), and the entire world Financial market just stopped in its tracks.
The United States Government can’t make the payments either, and so we got the 700 Billion Dollar Bailout, which of course, does nothing to fix the problem because banks realize that in order to function they have to have liquid cash on hand, so they KEPT it, and gave NOTHING to the homeowners who were suddenly faced with raising their kids in their cars. There really isn’t anything else they could have done, if they gave the money to the homeowners, they would have still failed, because they only had debts and no way to pay them. Catch 22. This point will be debated in history books for decades to come, right now, no one really knows the full outcome of that, other than it did not work as intended. Meanwhile, homeowners continue to lose their houses and the downward spiral continues.
Wow, talk about a complete disregard for poor people! Talk about setting up a way to make poor people poorer, and increase the number of poor people, well, you could not have planned a better way to do it. But then, this was PLANNED.
Cloward and Piven won.
Businesses start losing business, because Banks aren’t making loans to create new business. They start having problems making Payroll, and so start laying off employees, thereby INCREASING the number of Mortgage failures, AND increasing the demand on the State and Federal unemployment coffers. Now we have a great big GIANORMOUS enema just waiting for us.
That enema is called Porculus, the “Stimulus” bill that will INCREASE the National Debt, thereby REDUCING the ability of the Government to meet its debt obligations (the more debt you have the harder it is to make all the payments), and increasing the likely hood of bringing down the entire Capitalistic system. Oh and will “force” the Government to increase taxes, thereby making us individually just that much poorer. (”Oops can’t afford Heath insurance! Better Nationalize that because we HAVE to....”)
How?
Because once those new renovations for this that and the other thing are done, once that road is repaved, the jobs that it temporarily created DISAPPEAR, they are GONE, because the job is done. So 18 months after the monstrosity is passed, we are right back where we started from, only 1 trillion FURTHER in debt.
But the lawn at the ACORN office looks GREAT!
Meanwhile we get force fed by the Media that it’s GOOD to help the poor, it’s our Obligation to take care of “Those who cannot help themselves”, that Nationalizing (insert industry here) is an absolute necessity because this (industry here) is absolutely necessary! We can’t let THAT fail. Health care for all Americans seems to me to be the most likely thing they will Nationalize first, it’s the easiest to sell really.
When you look at the entire scenario from a Macro perspective, it is obvious that the entire scenario was created deliberately. The individual pieces of the puzzle change over time, from this Liberal president to that, from one leader of the House to the next, from one chairman of the Senate Finance Committee to the next Liberal ACORN swilling sellout to another, the underlying strategy does not change, only the players do, and they build upon the works of those who came before.
I don’t know that we can stop this at this point in our history. The juggernaut is SO HUGE, that I don’t know that it can be stopped. It seems America is out to kill Capitalism, the very thing which made her great to begin with. In the process, we the people pay the price, and its getting higher and more personal by the instant.
Democrat voters who made it all happen are happily snorting up their Kool aide packets, why dilute it with water anyway? Astoundingly, they seem happy about it!
The biggest murderers in history are those who claim to help the poor with one hand while flaying them alive with the other, Socialists. I say to you, you are nothing short of EVIL.
I pray for America, that her leaders will recognize what’s happened and at least TRY to stop it. In the name of anything held sacred at all, if they have an atom or Morality and responsibility left, they will address the REAL problem! I pray they find the fortitude to STOP making it worse! Because that’s exactly what Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Barak Obama, Chris Dodd and every other Socialist in our government is trying to do. It’s up to those not in on this horrific monstrosity to STOP it! It’s not only a moral obligation now, it’s a moral imperative. The lives of millions here and around the world are either going to be forced to take that enema, or YOU will obliterate it. PLEASE OBLITERATE IT! Our lives are in your hands. PLEASE don’t screw this up!


11 posted on 02/06/2009 11:28:34 AM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: ForGod'sSake

bttt


12 posted on 02/06/2009 11:29:43 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Jim Robinson

Cool indeed. Why do you figger NH and Washington would be the ones blowing off a little steam in this way???


13 posted on 02/06/2009 11:30:22 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

“In order to retain the divinely inspired Constitution,
the “Miracle at Philadelphia”, every generation must be
educated in the divine science of goverment and be vigilant
in it’s preservation.”

The failure to this has gotten us to the point where we
stand today.


14 posted on 02/06/2009 11:32:33 AM PST by Semper Mark (Raging Infidel)
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To: Danae

While I agree with your statements, Washington state couldnt’ be happier with what is going on if they had written the bills and passed them themselves.

What you have recited here would offend a patriot state. It wouldn’t offend solid leftist state. Hell, they want more. “Pass the Porkulus please”, is their battle cry.


15 posted on 02/06/2009 11:33:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: mc6809e
The income tax amendment and the interstate commerce clause makes it moot.

Arguable? Well ok, but still in all, the states, if they elect to, could reclaim their rights guaranteed by our Constitution with the stroke of a pen -- more or less.

16 posted on 02/06/2009 11:34:45 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: mc6809e

“And with the income tax amendment, the federal government can take money from the states...”

Actually it takes money from citizens of the states.

“...and withhold it, unless the state does what is required by the federal government. The state won’t get that money back unless the state cooperates.”

If the Federal Government is limited to the powers delegated through the Constitution by the States, what would the States have to cooperate with that they wouldn’t?


17 posted on 02/06/2009 11:38:06 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
WA ping
18 posted on 02/06/2009 11:38:24 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: ClearCase_guy
Don’t forget about Arizona!

Whoa; cool. I had missed that one so I put a "statesrights" keyword on it too. A dinstinct pattern is developing here is it not? The language in each appears VERY similsr.

19 posted on 02/06/2009 11:38:37 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Incongruous. It would seem highly unlikely that a state whose citizenry in the majority has embraced a liberal/socialist ideology, that has as it's foundation mastery by the state (little "s"), would not bow to the power of it's Federal masters.
20 posted on 02/06/2009 11:40:11 AM PST by CarryingOn
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To: RainMan
Maybe Gov Gregoire was put-off a little because she was not chosen for a Cabinet position by the Chosen One. Obama skipped her and picked King County Exec Ron Sims.
21 posted on 02/06/2009 11:42:36 AM PST by NavyCanDo (You think you have enough guns, until the Zombies come.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I think you could find almost any state with one or two Republican representatives that pretty much mirror the thoughts of someone like Ron Paul. At least as far as "States Rights" issues go... and not implying that they are for the return of slavery, or any nonsense such as that.

These bills are most likely destined to die in some obscure subcommittee, and never be heard from again. Pity.

22 posted on 02/06/2009 11:45:25 AM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: Danae

Most excellent rant but consider that two of the states, NH and Washington, playing around with this “resolution” are under the mistaken notion that marxism is a good thing. The outlier now is Arizona who I was just made aware of is playing with it also. Somebody planted a seed with some conservative legislators wihtin these states, and we are now involved in a quasi-serious discussion re states rights. Regardless, I welcome the discussion.


23 posted on 02/06/2009 11:47:16 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

This is off topic, but I think that some of you might find it interesting. A friend of mine just called to tell me that her Regents, union health insurance, just turned her down for knee surgery, saying that it was caused by obesity and could not be covered. She asked if she had a heart attack would that be covered, and the answer was no, not if it was written up as attributed to obesity.


24 posted on 02/06/2009 11:47:29 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: Eva
Monty Python had a routine about a man making a simple insurance claim. The agent looked up the policy and sadly said, "Oh, I see you purchased the "No Payments" policy. Ahhhhh, that means that no matter what happens to you ... we don't have to pay. Sorry about that. Nothing I can do, really. Have a nice day."

We're getting there.

25 posted on 02/06/2009 11:50:37 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: willgolfforfood

That’s a pretty good assessment IMO.


26 posted on 02/06/2009 11:51:56 AM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Introduced by

Representatives
Burges, Ash, Biggs, Boone, Gowan, Mason, Montenegro, Pancrazi, Seel,
Williams: Barto, Campbell CL, Court, Crandall, Crump, Driggs, Fleming,
Goodale, Hendrix, Kavanagh, Lesko, McComish, McGuire, Miranda B, Murphy,
Nichols, Pratt, Quelland, Stevens, Tobin, Weiers JP, Senator Harper

A concurrent RESOLUTION

claiming sovereignty
under the tenth amendment to the constitution of the united states over certain
powers, serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain
mandates and providing that certain federal legislation be prohibited or
repealed.

Whereas, the Tenth Amendment to the
Constitution of the United States reads as follows: “The powers not
delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the
States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”; and

Whereas, the Tenth Amendment
defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by
the Constitution of the United States and no more; and

Whereas, the scope of power defined
by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the
states specifically to be an agent of the states; and

Whereas, today, in 2009, the states
are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and

Whereas, many federal laws are
directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment
assures that we, the people of the United States of America and each sovereign
state in the Union of States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal
government may not usurp; and

Whereas, Article IV, section 4,
United States Constitution, says in part, “The United States shall
guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”,
and the Ninth Amendment states that “The enumeration in the Constitution,
of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained
by the people”; and

Whereas, the United States Supreme
Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992),
that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory
processes of the states; and

Whereas, a number of proposals from
previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration
and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.

Therefore

Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the State of Arizona, the Senate concurring, that:

1. That the State of
Arizona hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution
of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to
the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.

2. That this Resolution
serves as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease
and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these
constitutionally delegated powers.

3. That all compulsory
federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or
criminal penalties or sanctions or requires states to pass legislation or lose
federal funding be prohibited or repealed.

4. That the Secretary of
State of the State of Arizona transmit copies of this resolution to the
President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the
Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House
and the President of the Senate of each state’s legislature and each Member of
Congress from the State of Arizona.


27 posted on 02/06/2009 11:51:57 AM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: mc6809e
That is why the Second Amendment is so important... but producers will stop producing and the feral goobermint will whither and die, before it comes to that. This is coming if things get bad enough... and it looks like hussein will make things worse than any of us ever thought.

LLS

28 posted on 02/06/2009 11:52:46 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: DoughtyOne

They’re expecting Obama to increase the power of the federal government and encroach on the states, an encroachment, though fine for now, that will not be tolerated once a Republican takes the presidential helm. At that point this document will come back up as a back drop to defiance of such federal encroachment.


29 posted on 02/06/2009 11:56:14 AM PST by Troll_House_Cookies (Ironically, Chancellor Obama's first re-education camp will be in Alaska.)
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To: CarryingOn
Incongruous.

So it would seem. I suspect a conservative SOMEONE created this "resolution" and passed it around to some conservative state legislators in hopes of ginning up some awareness of the original concept of sovereign state vs feral government. Good on 'em!

30 posted on 02/06/2009 11:59:22 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: Eva
A friend of mine just called to tell me that her Regents, union health insurance, just turned her down for knee surgery, saying that it was caused by obesity and could not be covered. She asked if she had a heart attack would that be covered, and the answer was no, not if it was written up as attributed to obesity.

No surprise at all. Saw it coming a long time ago from far far away.

31 posted on 02/06/2009 12:02:04 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: Troll_House_Cookies

Could be I suppose. I just find it strange that a state chock full of wing nuts would suddenly find their copy of the Federalist Papers and the U.S. Constitution.


32 posted on 02/06/2009 12:03:40 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: Danae

Good on those guys/gals. Are you familiar with any of those sponsoring this resolution?


33 posted on 02/06/2009 12:06:55 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: NavyCanDo

If you look at the sponsorship of this bill it is all Republicans, not one Democrat.


34 posted on 02/06/2009 12:10:29 PM PST by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s the Anti-Federalist papers that have the good stuff, predictions about how the powers granted would be expanded and misused.

And they’re pretty much on target!


35 posted on 02/06/2009 12:10:49 PM PST by djf
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To: ForGod'sSake

Nope, I live in Oregon, land of the government fed slugs.
/cry


36 posted on 02/06/2009 12:12:12 PM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: DoughtyOne
I just find it strange that a state chock full of wing nuts would suddenly find their copy of the Federalist Papers and the U.S. Constitution.

I think there's something else at work here. I'd bet 25¢ these resolutions are sponsored exclusively by conservative state legislators. Just a hunch.

37 posted on 02/06/2009 12:13:43 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Our conservatives are more frustrated because we are surrounded by flaming libs?


38 posted on 02/06/2009 12:21:15 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Danae
Well anyway, something else occurs to me, that if conservatives don't make some noise within the states where these resolutions have been submitted; are met with a collective yawn? A loud and clear message will be sent to the state that nobody really cares, no?
39 posted on 02/06/2009 12:26:18 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Washington is actually fairly conservative compared to our neighbor to the south.

Our concealed Carry permits require a basic background check.

Minimum ag. lot size is 5 acres, as opposed to Oregons 40/80/220.

All male citizens between the ages of 21 to 45 are members of the state militia acording to the constitution (How cool is that, even die hard liberals are unknowingly members of the Washington State Militia).

I can get an ag. building permit for $25, and statement of how it will be used. Because of the draconian farm size restrictions in Oregon, Building a barn in requires a lot of effort (Filling farm plans, etc.) including convincing a state bureau-crat that yes, this barn IS needed, and will be a barn, and you will not be living in it.

I know a couple in Oregon who make thier living from a berry farm of 35 acres, and can not build a house because the state believes they CANNOT make a living with that little land.

As for New Hampshire, they are about the cheapest state in existance, to the point of auctioning off thier road kill.


40 posted on 02/06/2009 12:26:26 PM PST by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Our conservatives are more frustrated because we are surrounded by flaming libs?

Understood. I sympathize. What would happen if you and a few others got on the phones to the sponsor(s) of this resolution and asked them to start a fight with the libs. It would be a huge mountain to climb, but if enough noise is made from enough conservatives it might accidentally reach the public consciousness; stirring them out of their stupor. Open debate on it with libs would be a hoot!

41 posted on 02/06/2009 12:33:13 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: Colvin
Washington is actually fairly conservative compared to our neighbor to the south.

Granted, since Pubbies still seem to run close races in some areas; governor comes to mind. I couldn't live in the Peoples Rebublic of Oregon!

So, what is your take on this "resolution"? Should conservatives get behind it and rattle some cages since it's almost surely DOA???

42 posted on 02/06/2009 12:48:32 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

That would be my take as well.


43 posted on 02/06/2009 12:51:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: Markos33

Words likely more appropriate today than they were back then. It seems we have become too lazy or apathetic as a nation to do what is required to maintain our liberties. Sad testament.


44 posted on 02/06/2009 1:01:48 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

There is a reason that, all of a sudden, the states are asserting their rights. And the reason is that they fear that Congress knows EXACTLY what it is doing and WANTS to bankrupt the country.

Think of the ramifications of the country going bankrupt: No Social Secrity outlays, no Medicare outlays, no this or that AND they get to start over. Notice I said outlays; because they will STILL collect the tax.

Nobody has asked - or answered - the question: “What next?” when this fails.


45 posted on 02/06/2009 1:07:07 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

ping


46 posted on 02/06/2009 1:08:09 PM PST by moneypenny (if your for the UN, you are UNAmerican)
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To: gunnyg
Missed your link earlier. Some discouraging numbers HERE re secession.

Now, I gotta take a nap!

47 posted on 02/06/2009 1:09:47 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: NTHockey

bookmark


48 posted on 02/06/2009 1:20:58 PM PST by jusduat (wondering,questioning,searching)
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To: ForGod'sSake

I think that we all saw this coming with the liberal talk of obesity. I told my friend that the union health insurance policy is only one step away from socialized medicine, and that this is what we can all expect from Obamacare. That is what assisted suicide is all about, too, triage, saving the medical resources for the “most deserving”.


49 posted on 02/06/2009 1:29:19 PM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Southern states are not “allowed” to act this way......


50 posted on 02/06/2009 2:06:22 PM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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