Skip to comments.Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty (Paging General Robert E. Lee)
Posted on 02/07/2009 3:24:06 AM PST by Evil Slayer
NEW YORK As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level.
So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.
Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania.
"What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state's business," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND.
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WOOHOO!! Pennsylvania is on the list! Color me surprised!
Meanwhile, they are all clamoring for their own teat to draw from under the great Porkulus Maximus!
Florida FReepers, call, write and email our RINO about this. If PA can get on the list, we should have no problem twisting that skinny gov of ours arm to do so. FREEDOM!!!!!
NICE ! GO AHEAD FOR FREEDOM USA
New Hampshire, overrun with Massholes and increasingly subject to voter fraud, will not adopt this resolution. The Governor and legislature completely support — with hands out — the Big Spender on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Definitely time to regain the rights of the states.
What we are probably going to see is a dominance of the independence forces in a number of states who are going to shout down the communists in their states.
I’m with you!
I will contact my state rep TODAY and try to add tiny Delaware. Now THAT would be a slap in the face.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
This amendment sounds good on its face, but thanks to things like stretching the Interstate Commerce Clause to include anything our Congress wants its become meaningless. Im generally not in favor of adding new amendments - but maybe we need one to restrict the Commerce Clause.
Illinois is not. Nothing unexpected.
My State of Michighanistan is on it too.
I will be contacting my State Houses and pushing for immediate consideration of such a bill, and with a lot of the emphasis put on holding the Feds to the 9th and 10th amendments, I don’t see where they would oppose it...
Meanwhile, they are all clamoring for their own teat to draw from under the great Porkulus Maximus!
Agreed! Anyone that thinks any state is going to be able to withstand the federal highway and medical payment blackmail among others, is living in a dream world.
Oh how I would love to be proved wrong. It has already been postulated in this forum, how red states need to band together in defense of the American way of life, before it is too late.
Texas, Alaska, Wyoming, and South Dakota, need to be at the forefront of the battle. The other nineteen states mentioned would be gravy. I suspect however, that CA and HI are definately a bridge too far. There are other far more conservative states,
For those of you from Pa:
IMHO only the first ten had much meaning. The rest of them have been nothing but trouble. Again, IMHO.
And it was the two Republican Senators from Maine and the Republican Senator from Pennsylvania that went over to the dark side and voted FOR this pork bill that gave the Dims the 60 votes it needed.
Sent the letter below to my FL rep Adam Fetterman (D) district 81
Dear Rep. Fetterman,
I am taking a moment to write you about the troubling economic situation, and how these times can cause us to lose sight of the fundamentals our nation was based on. Our Founding Fathers had been oppressed by their government, and knew without a doubt, that by throwing off the shackles of tyranny was the only way for their children, countrymen and themselves to prosper. A very small group of very brave men took it upon themselves to join together and declare their independence from this tax happy monarchy and laid down their signatures and then their very lives for this cause.
It has now become self evident to another group of brave citizens that this course must again be undertaken. While watching in horror, the largest spending bill in history being forced upon a populace by a small band of theives in Washington, not representing their constituents views, and rewarding various groups for their loyalty during elections, it is obvious to all but the most blind that we cannot borrow our way out of debt. The bill put forth is 48% tax cuts and 52% spending with absolutely no mention of spending cuts for the government except to cut our military budget by 10% at a time when we are fighting a war on 2 fronts, and our sons and daughters are in harms way! Instead, government is planning to fund abortion, STD prevention, and honeybee studies, among billions of more in “the PORKULOUS bill” or as Sntr Corker put it, the biggest generational theft bill of all time. Think about that, generational theft. You have children, as do I, and we are stealing their opportunity to have the same life our parents did, because we don’t want to face our debt problem.
Our Founding fathers have said many things about passing debt on to future generations, about entitlement spending, taxing the people, and big government. There is way too much over reaching in all these areas today. Please read Jefferson, Davey Crockett, Franklin, Washington and the Federalist papers. We are succumbing to the very things they warned of. Re read, with fresh eyes, the declaration of independence, and most importantly, the Constitution of the United States. See with the eyes of our Fathers what they were trying to protect us from.
While I know you personally are not involved in federal negotiations on this bill, our Governor is supporting this bill. This will NOT stand with Floridians. We are hurting for sure, my husband has been unemployed for 4 months now. I have not asked for food stamps, mortgage reductions, welfare, or any other entitlement spending on our behalf. I ask you to NOT put my children further into debt on our behalf. It was our irresponsibility looking for easy credit, instant gratification, keeping up with the Joneses, and not planning well for the future. I do not want to burden them with our generations greed.
20 states have put forth bills reaffirming the rights of their states. Why all of a sudden do you think this is happening? It is because so many constituents feel their rights and liberties slipping away, that drastic measures to protect the sovereignty of the state is necessary. I urge you, and your fellow representatives, to put up a similar bill in our state. While being part of the Union is important, it does NOT supersede the right to be a sovereign state. Our rights are being eroded as union members, whether abuses of the 2nd amendment, abortion, ILLEGAL immigration, religious freedom,gay marriage, and taxation without representation. I hope you will consider truly representing us in the state of Florida by putting forth such a message to Washington on behalf of the people in Florida.
Thank you for your time,
There are a number of states, mostly Western ones like AZ, MT, ND, etc, who have recently asserted their right to secede in certain circumstances. I believe AZ has stated they will automatically secede if the Constitution is ever suspended due to martial law AND a certain number of states trigger similar clauses.
Secession is not likely, but it is interesting that several states are publicly and legally asserting themselves. What is left unsaid in the article is one possible reason for this. Massive immigration and racial politics are only going to get worse. The federal government will keep mandating laws and programs that will bankrupt state budgets. Does a state like Idaho really need to follow the same laws and institute the same programs as Maryland? A state like MD must tailor its legislation in areas like welfare and gun control specifically to racial and cultural realities - its voters demand that it does. When the Democratic Party controls the federal government, that same thinking gets turned into federal law and spending packages.
This is only going to intensify. Once there begins a sizable demographic shift of whites moving West, the dissolution of the union will follow. This could take 20 to 50 years and is not inevitable, but it is certainly possible.
letter sent to Fetterman, post # 25. Spread the word!
Pennsylvania may have gone blue in the presidential election, but, in the flyover counties between philly and pittsburgh, we are RED - with the exception of Murtha’s district, Erie and Scranton. Our state has the largest population of gun owners and hunters in the country. We have solid conservative representatives from the red counties in Pa. It’s from those red counties that I’ll bet this was brought forth.
It’s the Philly and Pittsburgh RATS that keep getting Sphincter elected. Don’t judge us all by them. We have to work harder to get him out next time - and no GW Bush to campaign for him!
Nope, we just need to beat the feds over the head with original intent:
This principle is, if possible, still more clear, when applied to commerce "among the several States." They either join each other, in which case they are separated by a mathematical line, or they are remote from each other, in which case other States lie between them. What is commerce "among" them; and how is it to be conducted? Can a trading expedition between two adjoining States, commence and terminate outside of each? And if the trading intercourse be between two States remote from each other, must it not commence in one, terminate in the other, and probably pass through a third? Commerce among the States must, of necessity, be commerce with the States.
Gibbons v. Ogden Chief Justice Marshall
Commerce among the several States means the ENTITIES of the States, or State governments. For instance; if Hawaii and Iowa wanted to trade pineapples for corn, the federal government would arbitrate the exchange to insure it was equitable.
I'm surprised too. I called my state senator and representative a couple of days ago to urge support of this initiative, and none of the staffers had ever heard of the idea. Senator Greenleaf's staff requested information, which I forwarded. No response yet.
I’ll have to get on the stick and call as well!
The names of the three traitors, need to be shouted from the house tops until they are considered to be just what they are, and run out of office. The next battle will be even tougher as the bill goes back to the house.
With Obama bleating incessantly about a perceived crisis, and the house dems crying over spilt pork, how many of the brave Republicans will be able to hold the line when this bill hits the conference committee?
The noise from the American people will have to be four times what it was for the senate review of the bill, and even then we won’t be heard, because of the herd mentality. We are about to find out just how much the people are going to stand.
Congress can apparently stretch any statement to cover any cause they see fit. Maybe the problem is with the politicians? Maybe we should go back to the Citizen Civil Servant as first required? I don’t think that the office of any State or Federal Representative or Senator should be a paid position, nor should any politician get a lifetime pension for serving for as little as two years. After all, these bums work FOR us not against us as they appear to be doing currently with this non-stimulating pork roast of a bill.
Years ago, someone at National Review proposed an amendment to the Constitution, reading: “The Ninth and Tenth Amendments to this Constitution are to be observed.”
“The time has come to “form a more perfect union” by states rights. The battle of the states has begun. History is in the making once again”
At some point it seemed to be accepted that the federal government was more reasoned and responsible than the state governments ... that is a falsehood. It is time for a political revival, which will necessitate a spiritual one, to strive for that “shining city upon a hill” that Pres. Reagan foresaw. I can think of no greater shame than not preserving the freedoms that we were so selflessly given, so the next generation can also enjoy them.
Saw a color coded map recently that depicted red and blue by county...the blue portions were only in large city areas where populations could be easily controlled and directed to vote. Strange.
the adolescent, psychotic punks in congress are going to have to learn that they promised to uphold the constitution of the united states and not the communist manifesto.
(tyranny is just another word for liberal democrats.)
Couldn't agree more Pete.
Speaking of the Fourth Amendment:
Why is it a violation of the Fourth Amendment that cries to heaven for vengeance, if the CIA, FBI, or NSA listens to the telephone call of a non-citizen who is a terrorist,
but NOT a violation of the Fourth Amendment if the government grabs my COMPLETE MEDICAL HISTORY, and scans and digitizes it, and uses it to take control of my medical care?
Baloney, The Constitution must prevail. If you have a culture not suited to live by the law, change the culture, not The Constitution.
Yep. And the union mentality in those cities is strong. Especially in Pittsburgh, Scranton and Johnstown. Philly is where Rendell is from. His thugs pretty much control that city.
My county includes the hometown of Jimmy Stewart. A strong conservative republican. We are still very conservative - even with a 15,000 student state university in our midst.
I agree - but which has changed in reality?
Man, Hew Hampshire has really gone to the dogs since I lived there 15 years ago.
Back then it was the Buchanites vs. the McCainiacs, with a bit of big-L libertarianism thrown in. The Rat party was nearly invisible except in the Mass. border town of Nashua which even then was showing a big illegal aliens problem.
It’s astonishing that the Massholes have taken charge in such a short period of time.
Socialism Is Legal Plunder / Legal Plunder Has Many Names
You would use the law to oppose socialism? But it is upon the law that socialism itself relies. Socialists desire to practice legal plunder, not illegal plunder. Socialists, like all other monopolists, desire to make the law their own weapon. And when once the law is on the side of socialism, how can it be used against socialism? For when plunder is abetted by the law, it does not fear your courts, your gendarmes, and your prisons. Rather, it may call upon them for help.
Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole with their common aim of legal plunder constitute socialism.
Thanks to FReeper raygun for the link.
What? The laboratories of socialism are finally waking up to the jack-booted thugs of socialism? Where the heck have they been?
Enabling it. Condoning it. Participating in it. That’s where.
None of this will mean anything once the “Stimulus” hand-outs start.
Exactly! If the states was sovereignty, then why are they asking for bailout money?
I thought I heard that the aggregate state cry was about $150 billion.
Can’t have it both ways.
— Jane Reinheimer
great letter! thanks for sending it, especially on behalf of this other Floridian.
Essentially, the Massholes invaded. They come to our communities to avoid the burden of Taxachusetts then immediately start clamoring for services. Worse, political operatives from the Commonwealth interfere with our elections. In cities, there are nearly as many Massachusetts plates as New Hampshire on election day. Their interference has now been elevated to fraud as Massholes attending our colleges and owning vacation property cross the border to vote (Massachusetts has long been a one party state). In my small town, 40% more people voted in the Presidential primary and election than the EVER vote in local elections. How can people be more interested in presidential politics than property taxes and schools? They do not pay the taxes and they do not attend the schools. Not sure we can get a url like this posted, but take a look at this article http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=58c8d2f7-bd05-421b-8c5d-53c87d71d07a