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Teacher placed on leave for questionable Facebook posting (In photo she's holding a rifle)
WKOW-TV ^ | February 3, 2009

Posted on 02/07/2009 8:56:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

BEAVER DAM (WKOW) -- Beaver Dam school officials placed a middle school teacher on administrative leave after discovering a photograph of the teacher with a gun on the teacher's Facebook page.

In the photo, teacher Betsy Ramsdale is training a rifle at the camera.

Ramsdale emailed 27 News in response to our inquiries saying she "removed the photo immediately" and that she is not "interested in any controversy." Ramsdale did not comment on her motivation for posting the photo.

Schools superintendent Donald Childs told 27 News he is unaware of any sinister intent on the teacher's part and said the use of the photo "appears to be poor judgment."

Childs said the Facebook photo was brought to the attention of school district officials by a concerned staff member at Beaver Dam Middle School.

Ramsdale's biography on the school district website states she is in her first year of teaching at the middle school. Department of Public Instruction records show Ramsdale has been licensed to teach since 1996.

Middle school parent Jennifer Buzzell said the teacher's decision to post the photograph was concerning.

"I don't think it's appropriate," Buzzell told 27 News. "I'm not sure why this would be on the computer at all."

"I don't see anything wrong with it," school parent Mark Hagstrom said. "She's on her time to do what she wants."

School parent Chad Van Loo said the photograph sends the wrong message.

"With the way things are going these days, with the kids bringing guns to school and bomb threats, (photograph) is something to be concerned about."

Ramsdale's union representation is through the Beaver Dam Education Association. Association president Janet Schumaker has yet to return a call from 27 News.

Read our Assistant News Director's Blog on this topic:

http://addins.wkowtv.com/blogs/behindthenews/

To comment and provide news tips, contact reporter Tony Galli at tgalli@wkowtv.com


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Since when is it wrong to be photographed holding a firearm?
1 posted on 02/07/2009 8:56:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

i smell a lawsuit.


2 posted on 02/07/2009 8:58:15 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If she had been shown having an abortion they would have given her a commendation.


3 posted on 02/07/2009 8:58:57 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Since when is it wrong to be photographed holding a firearm?

Maybe she had it pointed at a pic of zero.

4 posted on 02/07/2009 8:59:21 PM PST by 50mm (My respect for zero has reached zero)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If she was smart, she’d explain the picture this way. “I have the rifle because I’m FIGHTING against “global warming” and homophobia. Those braindead “school officials” would fall for it. Obviously, they’re morons.


5 posted on 02/07/2009 9:00:30 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ( Elections have consequences.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If she was holding a bong, crack pipe, or dildo she wouldn’t had any problems...


6 posted on 02/07/2009 9:01:21 PM PST by odin2008 (EVIL TRIUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: odin2008
"If she was holding a bong, crack pipe, or dildo she wouldn’t had any problems..."

Or an aborted fetus, an Obama sign or a Communist Party membership card.

7 posted on 02/07/2009 9:03:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Beaver Dam isn’t far from The Peoples Republic of Madison, the sickness is obviously spreading...


8 posted on 02/07/2009 9:05:41 PM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob
The face of the new order:


9 posted on 02/07/2009 9:06:51 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Brilliant!!


10 posted on 02/07/2009 9:06:52 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I called the superintendent's office when this was posted on Thursday. I only got the voice-mail. I said I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that there was more to this story because suspending the teacher for having being a lawful gun owner would not be responsible.

I really hate these type of busybody parents who think they are so righteous they have to be outraged at anything. This teachers contract will not be renewed. She has no protection from idiot administrators as a first year teacher in the district.

11 posted on 02/07/2009 9:14:12 PM PST by MovementConservative (Oregon Ducks 42, Oklahoma St. Cowboys 31)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Since when is it wrong to be photographed holding a firearm?

She wasn't just holding it.

12 posted on 02/07/2009 9:26:40 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obviously it is a hate crime?

Warping young minds to hate?

The Flying O, doesn't like guns (duh) and thinks that anyone who has one is EVIL!

Thankfully I fall into the last one

13 posted on 02/07/2009 9:34:39 PM PST by SERE_DOC (Today's politicians, living proof why we have and need a second amendment to the constitution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s wrong for a school to even put a teacher on punitive leave for that. But the whole problem needs to be addressed—not only one instance of the problem.

Teachers and others are fired for violating any one of many perceived ultra-sensitivities (like telling a badgering class or coworker to “shut up”). That kind of firing in general needs to be stopped. It’s illegitimate.


14 posted on 02/07/2009 9:46:15 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If she had been wearing a Planned Parenthood tshirt or an Obama sticker she’d have gotten a fvcking promotion.

Thought police nazis.


15 posted on 02/07/2009 9:50:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
"She wasn't just holding it."

According to the article, she was holding a rifle that was pointed at the camera. Do you know something else that we don't?

16 posted on 02/07/2009 9:58:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
According to the article, she was holding a rifle that was pointed at the camera. Do you know something else that we don't?

Nope. Like I said, she wasn't just holding it.

Was this a harmless photo, too?


17 posted on 02/07/2009 10:16:33 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In the Land of Obama, the big-eared punk is king. Or something like that.


18 posted on 02/07/2009 10:18:26 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (PIE FIGHT!!!!!)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

So Miss Betsy Ramsdale doesn’t have the same 2nd Amendment rights that you and I have because of her occupation? Interesting theory.


19 posted on 02/07/2009 10:19:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

didn’t hurt me.


20 posted on 02/07/2009 10:21:06 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here is the photo in question of Betsy Ramsdale

21 posted on 02/07/2009 10:25:52 PM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Source of the above picture: http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/school_officials_suspend_teacher_after_she_posts_photo_of_herself_with_gun_/


22 posted on 02/07/2009 10:26:53 PM PST by rawhide
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I guess you need to inform the 100,000,000 or so Americans in this country who’ve pointed guns at things that it’s somehow equivalent to showing up on campus with a death wish and unloading on a bunch of disarmed students.

And you better hurry, since many of them are going so far as to FIRE them! And then, after checking to see how their aim is progressing, doing it AGAIN!


23 posted on 02/07/2009 10:28:28 PM PST by BobbyT
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
"Nope. Like I said, she wasn't just holding it.

Was this a harmless photo, too?
"

I see at least two logical fallacies in your argument. And yes, the photo itself was harmless and hasn't physically injured any viewers. People post all kinds of photos in efforts to make all kinds of jokes and artistic/political points. Nearly all of the people posing in Internet images with firearms are harmless and only intending to do so for hobbies, jokes and various artistic reasons. There are photos posted of people holding knives and covered in blood with no harm intended toward anyone.

I've seen no evidence or testimony showing that the teacher threatened or intended to harm anyone.


24 posted on 02/07/2009 10:31:55 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: rawhide

Photo isn’t showing up...


25 posted on 02/07/2009 10:32:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now hold on here.

She wasn’t photographed “holding” a rifle.

She was pointing it at the photographer. Unless the camera was somehow set to a remote shutter - there is NO excuse for pointing a weapon at another person.

Photographers, are people.

That’s totally irresponsible.

It is the wrong message to send.


26 posted on 02/07/2009 10:32:34 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

And BTW, let’s have a look at your tagline, “While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.” Many busybody parents and schoolteachers would jump at the opportunity to pretend that a word in your tagline offends their sensitivities in order to have you fired. ...unless you agree with other parts of their ideology. They would also misconstrue your tagline in order to do so.


27 posted on 02/07/2009 10:34:51 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
FWIW, I work for a college, and try to be careful about my representations on the web. On my web sites, where I'm identified by name, I make no reference to my college, except as a customer when they buy my photography services.

I haven't been to her facebook page, but I suspect she clearly labels herself as an employee of the school. If she's done that, anything on the page represents not only her, but her organization.

Had I been her administrator, I would have been more likely to talk to her about being careful about her image, and requested that she either take the photo down or remove information about her affiliation with the school. I would then warn her that what you post on the press is public property. There have been a ton of instances in which people have lost jobs for themselves and coworkers by posting stupid junk on the net. Remember just a few months ago when some Burger King guy got camcorded taking a bath in the kitchen sink. It got him, his coworkers and the manager fired. Too bad, so sad.

I wouldn't have suspended her, but administrators tend to be a spineless lot in the best of circumstances.

28 posted on 02/07/2009 10:38:57 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"She was pointing it at the photographer. Unless the camera was somehow set to a remote shutter - there is NO excuse for pointing a weapon at another person."

Which of your scenarios do you presume? If the former, please tell us as to what part the photographer had in the photo shot. Was the photographer a firearms hobbyist? If so, did he or she talk the subject of the photo into posing? Is he a gunsmith, and did he check the firearm before telling her to pose with it? Is the firearm capable of firing rounds?

...so many mindreaders and answers, so little testimony or evidence. It is most healthy to assume that the weapon was not capable of firing a round at the time of photo, and parents and school administrators are pathological for considering terminating anyone for that.


29 posted on 02/07/2009 10:42:30 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

Simple safely rule to avoid any confusion:

Assume all weapons, are always, loaded and off “safe”.

Behave appropriately!

Never. Never point a weapon at another person. Unless they are threatening you.

For any reason.

Even representing that act, is wrong.


30 posted on 02/07/2009 10:46:24 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: Richard Kimball
The employee taking a bath in the kitchen sink at Burger King was violating company policy, health regulations and safety. The teacher holding a firearm was doing none of these things. Are we truly this browbeaten by the PC police that we will bow to their every whim? Remember, we gained our independence from the barrel of a rifle, not from grandiose speeches and books.
31 posted on 02/07/2009 10:52:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"Even representing that act, is wrong."

...better stop watching television or movies then, where weapons are often pointed at cameras. You're stretching it. And BTW, the photo in question shows what appears to be an overly large bore in what appears to be a firearm. ...a paintball "gun," perhaps?


32 posted on 02/07/2009 10:54:02 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

That would certainly change the calculation. If it’s a paintball gun, that’s not a “rifle”.

I was relying on the text of the article.


33 posted on 02/07/2009 10:58:58 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So Miss Betsy Ramsdale doesn’t have the same 2nd Amendment rights that you and I have because of her occupation? Interesting theory.

Of course she does. I never said she didn't.

The 2nd is not an absolute right. Neither is the 1st.

34 posted on 02/07/2009 11:05:15 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She should have been screwing one of her students. That’s perfectly fine in Obamamerika.


35 posted on 02/07/2009 11:07:07 PM PST by hattend (Sarah Palin has run a fishing business, a city, and a state. All Obama has done is run his mouth.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

In considering weapons being pointed at others for artistic purposes, I believe that we should leave the making of such weapons safe to those behind the cameras, directors, all involved. Otherwise, we would probably know nothing of John Wayne.


36 posted on 02/07/2009 11:07:50 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop
Nearly all of the people posing in Internet images with firearms are harmless and only intending to do so for hobbies, jokes and various artistic reasons.

Not all?

37 posted on 02/07/2009 11:08:07 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: hattend
If she'd been using a banana to demonstrate condom application or reading Heather Has Two Mommies she'd be fine, and probably up for a promotion.
38 posted on 02/07/2009 11:09:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: familyop
Many busybody parents and schoolteachers would jump at the opportunity to pretend that a word in your tagline offends their sensitivities in order to have you fired. ...unless you agree with other parts of their ideology.

Doesn't seem too different from many of the folks posting around these parts.

39 posted on 02/07/2009 11:10:22 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Richard Kimball
"I haven't been to her facebook page, but I suspect she clearly labels herself as an employee of the school. If she's done that, anything on the page represents not only her, but her organization."

Well, we wouldn't have wanted Ronald Reagan, who pointed weapons at the camera, to be a school teacher.


40 posted on 02/07/2009 11:11:23 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

“Well, we wouldn’t have wanted Ronald Reagan, who pointed weapons at the camera, to be a school teacher.”

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Weapons?

Or Hollyweird models?

It is just plain wrong, to point a (real) weapon at someone who is not your enemy.

Pointing toy guns at people as make-believe, if they have no reason to believe it’s real, isn’t wrong. Squirt guns for example. Or playing GI Joe as a kid.

Ronald Reagan never pointed, a functioning weapon at a camera.

I’m rather sure of that.

Please do not misrepresent his legacy, in this manner.


41 posted on 02/07/2009 11:16:42 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Are you familiar with Oleg Volk's photowork with women and guns? women find them epowering and securing...
42 posted on 02/07/2009 11:17:57 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm for Sarah. Nuff said, you either get it or you don't. Enjoy Steele, he's no Palin.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
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43 posted on 02/07/2009 11:19:58 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Ol' Dan Tucker said: "Was this a harmless photo, too? "

You're the one who posted it here. You tell us whether you intended to terrorize FreeRepublic by causing this photo to appear. Was it your intention to threaten the rest of us?

Or are you able to distinguish between murderous acts and the publishing of pictures of guns?

44 posted on 02/07/2009 11:23:04 PM PST by William Tell
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Was this a harmless photo, too?

It's harmless because it's a photo. It also shows a couple of violations of safe gun handling.

45 posted on 02/07/2009 11:25:10 PM PST by meyer (The left is flooding the ship - let's quit bailing water. We are all John Galt.)
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To: rawhide
Good for her. Guns are an important part of American culture and history.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

46 posted on 02/07/2009 11:28:42 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: William Tell
Or are you able to distinguish between murderous acts and the publishing of pictures of guns?

Of course. Until he went on his murderous rampage, it was just a photograph published of someone pointing a gun at the camera. Just like the teacher.

47 posted on 02/07/2009 11:33:22 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: wardaddy
Are you familiar with Oleg Volk's photowork with women and guns? women find them epowering and securing...

So, when a woman is faced with a violent attack, she should just show them one of Volk's photographs?

48 posted on 02/07/2009 11:34:54 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: meyer
It's harmless because it's a photo. It also shows a couple of violations of safe gun handling.

Good point.

49 posted on 02/07/2009 11:37:49 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"Ronald Reagan never pointed, a functioning weapon at a camera."

"I’m rather sure of that."

Very famous actors have been killed on their movie sets by firearms. Also, you have no reason to suspect that the firearm pointed at the camera by the teacher was capable of firing a round at the time. It's alright for individuals to point firearms at cameras for artistic purposes, as long as everyone involved makes sure that the firearms are not capable of hurting anyone. You haven't dis-proven that, yet, and won't be able to do so. Doing that for artistic purposes (e.g., movies) is both legally and morally accepted in the USA.

"Please do not misrepresent his legacy, in this manner."

...appeal to emotion, appeal to popularity, guilt by association, poisoning the well, red herring. Will you be trying to use all of the fallacies during this now ridiculous and effectively concluded exchange of arguments?


50 posted on 02/07/2009 11:39:58 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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