GOP in New York looks to Giuliani

ASSOCIATED PRESS ^ | February 8, 2009 | NA

[neverdem]

ALBANY, N.Y. -- New York Republicans are completely out of power for the first time in four decades. Democrats rule the executive and legislative branches and hold 26 of the state's 29 congressional seats.

On the fringes of this grim political tableau hovers a larger-than-life figure who won worldwide acclaim after the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

Rudy Giuliani, considered the GOP's best chance for redemption, has a new nickname: Rudy the Savior...

[neverdem]

IMHO, I don't think Rudy the RINO will become Rudy the Savior. Why would anyone to deal with Albany, NY? His chance to get to the White House is probably gone.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Well, I really think I could like Rudy, to share a few beers with, but I sure don't want his warped views on The Constitution ruling my life, and forming my grandson's future.

I'll support him for governor of New York, I'll crown him king, if you'll keep him up there!

[DieHard the Hunter]

IMO, with the right support team in place enroute, and the right administrative team in place once he gets there, I think Rudolph Giuliani would make a fine POTUS.

Some of his less-desirable features could be moderated, the others balanced, by the people around him. He is unquestionably a good leader who did a fine job with NYC back when NYC was a difficult place to manage.

Had he been running against Obama rather than McCain he would have stood a better-than-even chance of winning IMO.

(flameproof armor on)

[chuck_the_tv_out]

“has a new nickname: Rudy the Savior”

why bother doing research, when you can just invent stuff

[Azzurri]

Had he been running against Obama rather than McCain he would have stood a better-than-even chance of winning IMO.

No question about that. McCain couldn't put together two consecutive coherent sentences. Giuliani, despite his flaws, would be a dream POTUS right now compared to the empty suit occupying the seat right now.

[Boucheau]

“New York Republicans are completely out of power for the first time in four decades.”

Hey, New Yorkers, how do feel about living in places like Michigan, or California. Cuz, that’s where you’re heading like a bullet train.

Big governement, small paycheck.

Not that I feel sorry for you’s guys—you’re the same dopes that voted in Clinton, the Mrs..

I hope you’s guys enjoy payin’ taxes as much as the Democrat socialists love your paychecks.

[MplsSteve]

Excellent Post.

I agree.

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

Had he been running against Obama rather than McCain he would have stood a better-than-even chance of winning IMO.
No question about that. McCain couldn’t put together two consecutive coherent sentences. Giuliani, despite his flaws, would be a dream POTUS right now compared to the empty suit occupying the seat right now

As I recall, Freepers foolishly attacked Rudy Giuliani on this list during primary time. He would have been just fine on the most important issues and he is a loyal American and wants to see the U.S. continue and thrive. What was elected is anything but that.

[Just mythoughts]

IMHO, I don't think Rudy the RINO will become Rudy the Savior. Why would anyone to deal with Albany, NY? His chance to get to the White House is probably gone.

I think Rudy is lazy, and loves the glow of adoration more than hard work. Somehow he convinced himself all he needed was one state to have the prize of the White House. He never really challenged Hillary, or any other liberal for that matter. A liberal Congress would have had about the same impact on him as it is having on Bama. Liberalism lite is not that many steps removed from the complete package.

[JerseyHighlander]

Rudy will NOT win the NYC suburbs and exurbs.

His boosters say he will, but the people just far enough away to see his tenure in NYC for what it was, with a bit of perspective that the distance allowed them, are NOT going to vote for a man who never saw a human activity he didn’t want to prosecute, fine, outlaw or otherwise put under the boot of government bureaucrats.

That and Guiliani blatantly stole over 1.3 million dollars from the 9/11 widows and orphan fund. When caught he refused all media inquiries... meanwhile his partner was looking to lobby for the Saudis at the same time.

Guiliani is toxic.

[mewzilla]

Why would anyone to deal with Albany, NY?

Why does Roto Rooter go where it goes? Cuz that's where the excrement is.

[Liz]

Why does Roto Rooter go where it goes? Cuz that's where the excrement is.

"Ach der lieber....ai gotda vunny veeling dah Reepublucan
Potty tinks RINOS are pure crapola."

" Chonny and Wooty, you two RINOS bettah make udder plans.
Ai hear RINOS kin get jobs as Val-Mart greeters, Home Depot
paint mixers, McD's ketchop pumpers, unt vaiters at Ved Lopstah."

"Meshugannah, Kaleefurrneeyah ees bankrupt. Dat means
I gotda chainch my plans abat runnin for prezeedunt."

""Ai kiss anyboty's tookus to gets dah money to bailout Kaleefurrneya. "

" Mebee ai trow Maria off dah ski livt at Sun Valley.
Ai getda nashynal symputty ven anudder Kennedee goes kaputz."

[mewzilla]

Sigh. It's not just in Albany, is it...

Paging Joe the Plumber...

[Liz]

Rooty’s gonna hafta have a good explanation for his energetic business globalism-——the shifting of middle America’s jobs overseas that helped hollow-out the US economy.

How can Rooty explain the global economy in freefall-—the fault of globalism itself? (more below)

[ronnie raygun]

Sadly, every democratically controlled state in America is in the toilet, so what do we do, we love it so much that we elect more to control the entire country. The word (we) of coarse only refers to the uneducated, lazy, unmotivated American liberal voter. Enjoy a##wipes you are instrumental in bringing America to it’s knees.

[Liz]

Rooty's gonna hafta have a good explanation for his energetic business globalism-----the shifting of middle America's jobs overseas that helped hollow-out the US economy. How can Rooty explain the global economy in freefall---the fault of globalism itself?

12/07/2008------Failed RINO presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani told Sky News the election of Barack Obama will make America "an honest nation and not a hypocritical one." Giuliani said Obama would improve the country's image abroad.....and a tremendous opportunity to build a global consensus because of Obama's international support----(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com .........

ANALYSIS Count the number of times Ghouliani said "international interests".....meaning his own. Ghouli has a lot of money tied up in global businesses ...........businesses that need presidential intervention. Here’s Rudy’s global connections (the ones we know of):

(1) Giuliani Capital Advisors, LLC (AKA Giuliani Partners LLC),

(2) Giuliani Group,

(3) Giuliani-Kerik (re-named Giuliani Security and Safety, after the departure of the tainted ex-Police Commissioner--Rooty's ex-driver and bodyguard),

(4) Giuliani-Van Essen,

(5) Bracewell & Giuliani LLP law firm (based in Texas with global interests),

(6) Bracewell & Giuliani has two offices in Kazakhstan (in Central Asia), and had January 2007 closings totalling $1.625 Billion,

(7) Giuliani Security & Safety, Asia

Bracewell & Giuliani’s Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A., a Spanish transportation company (lobbied for Privatization of Toll Road in Texas--used eminent domain to take Texans' property for foreigners)

Bracewell & Giuliani’s Banco Santander Central Hispano, S.A. (SAN.MC, STD.N) (a bank that traded with a blacklisted Iranian Bank---these Hispano smarties also invested--and lost--with Madoff)

Bracewell & Giuliani’s company tied to Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chávez, who has called President Bush “the devil.” Bracewell & Giuliani lobbies on behalf of Texas-based Citgo Petroleum, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Venezuelan oil company controlled by Chávez.

RESEARCH

DID YOU KNOW US PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE RUDY GIULIANI HELD A CAMPAIGN FUND-RAISER IN KAZAKHSTAN? That's right, in Kazakstan

WHERE IS KAZAKHSTAN It is a former Soviet Union state, the only Central Asian country sharing borders with both Russia and China, and with states of nuclear-transit significance such as Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan.

GLOBAL STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE Kazakhstan is in the Strategic Energy Ellipse and is a member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization with China and Russia. A focal point of influence between the West and the East.....(can you say oil and gas pipelines?)

WHAT IS KAZAKHSTAN'S MAIN INDUSTRY Kazakhstan aims to become the world’s largest producer and exporter of uranium in the next five years. Country Profile 10: KazakhstanFirstWatch International (FWI)

Overview: At independence in 1991, Kazakhstan was among the four states of the former Soviet Union to inherit nuclear weapons, acquiring with it the status of the fourth largest nuclear power in the world.(1) The new acquisitions included thousands of nuclear warheads, intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), cruise missiles, and the world's largest testing facility (where 456 nuclear tests took place over a 50-year period).(2)

Kazakhstan’s nuclear fuel cycle resources include extensive uranium mining zones and fuel processing and fabrication technologies. Kazakhstan aims to become the world’s largest producer and exporter of uranium in the next five years.

It is the only Central Asian country sharing borders with both Russia and China, and with states of nuclear-transit significance such as Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan. Kazakhstan continues to make remarkable progress in the area of nuclear safeguards, export controls, and nuclear material control and accountancy.

Sources: Jon Brook Wolfsthal et al., “U.S. Nonproliferation Assistance Program,” Nuclear Status Report: Nuclear Weapons, Fissile Material, and Exports Controls in Former Soviet Union, Vol. 6, 2001, Any reproduction of text and data is authorized only by permission. SIPRI March 2006.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HQykZ-u_GL8J:www.sipri.org/contents/expcon/cnsc1kaz.html+Kazakhstan+(nuclear)&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

[Just mythoughts]

Rooty’s gonna hafta have a good explanation for his energetic business globalism-——the shifting of middle America’s jobs overseas that helped hollow-out the US economy. How can Rooty explain the global economy in freefall-—the fault of globalism itself? (more below)

It is interesting that it was 'government' that had to legislate so called 'FREE TRADE', and yet the one commodity that never gets acknowledged is 'human' cheap labor as the key peg to have 'freedom to trade'. Unions now are government and the cost of government has become a bottomless pit. Wait until they have to outsource government labor.

[Liz]

Rooty is a govt whore---sucks up public money like a prostie giving a BJ. Here's another Rooty scam.

ROOTY’S TWIN TOWERS FOUNDATION SCAM

In February, 2002, Giuliani insisted upon transferring guardianship of the $100 million left in the city-run Twin Towers Fund to a private charity he controlled.

The families of the police and fire rescuers who died in the attack balked at Giuliani's plan to take up to a year to dole out the money, with his new organization billing $2.2 million in anticipated administrative expenses (including six-figure salaries for friends he appointed as officers). The families argued that the fire union had far more quickly distributed $111 million with an estimated administrative cost of just $30,000.

Giuliani backed down under embarrassing pressure from the victims' families. He promised to distribute the money within 60 days and fund his overhead from new donations. The families of the deceased rescuers, the real heroes of the September 11 attacks, received a one-time benefit of about $230,000 each from the Giuliani-privatized fund in 2002.

That year, the former mayor earned some $8 million in speaking fees alone, more than $650,000 per month.

ROOTY'S WIFE JOOTY‘S TAX-EXEMPT ACTIVITIES Rooty appointed to the "Twin Towers Fund" Board of Directors his then-mistress, Judith Nathan. This was Rudy's special little "tax-exempt charity" Jooty worked to "raise funds" for various causes----Rooty referred to her as a "philanthropist" claiming Nathan was a practiced "fund-raiser"----and had worked as managing director of Changing Our World,a national fundraising and philanthropic services company headquartered in New York.

[Just mythoughts]

12/07/2008------Failed RINO presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani told Sky News the election of Barack Obama will make America "an honest nation and not a hypocritical one." Giuliani said Obama would improve the country's image abroad.....and a tremendous opportunity to build a global consensus because of Obama's international support----(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com .........

Rudy does make quite a 'living' giving self esteem speeches. And Rudy did leave behind a very 'honest' New York City financial world center.

See Liz it is conservatives, 'you know' the 'value voters' who know there are but few things 'left' to compromise between a liberal lite and the self admitted full liberal package. Both liberal lites and full blood liberals methodologies require society as a whole to PAY for what others play. And yet who is the center of the blame for Rudy not getting elected, why it is those stupid 'values voters' for being 'purists' and stuck in times gone bye.

I think the moderate we are above it all crowd are going to have to have their noses rubbed deep in the Animal Farm methodology before they discover what the word values actually means.

[Larry381]

While there may be a few things wrong with Rudy, anybody who lived in NYC during the Dinkins administration will tell you that Rudy completely turned this city around, at least from a law enforcement perspective.
He did it by the simple expedient of having the cops zero-in on so-called quality of life offences which it later turned out, resulted in a substantial decrease in major crimes.
Rudy left this city a far better place than he found it.

[GOP_Lady]

Here is a thread that I posted earlier of an outstanding interview of Rudy Giuliani by Glenn Beck.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2175963/posts

[Liz]

.... moderate "we are above it all crowd" are going to have to have their noses rubbed deep in the Animal Farm methodology before they discover what the word values actually means..........

CREDIT LINE Many thanks for the Animal Farm analogy. I've extrapolated your reference to the state of the state as "Animal Farm" many times. As Orwell wrote: some Animals are more equal than others.

ANIMAL FARM REDUX Government whores like Giuliani make us look more like Animal Farm----rather than a democracy. "Animals" get govt perks privileges and free passes-----at the expense of us peon taxpayers.

Our "rule of law" is the thing that distinguishes America from Third World hellholes. The pig-like Animals squeal with delight while decimating the rule of law. Animals declare our laws to be meaningless.

Giuliani and company were toilet-trained at The School of Whatever Works For Me----but they still make smelly messes that peon taxpayers are forced to clean up.

[Liz]

.........Rudy did leave behind a very 'honest' New York City financial world center.............

Actually when Rooty was prosecuting Wall Street ------ almost all of his cases fell apart----Millkin and Boesky are among the very few who went to jail.

[murron]

Haven’t we had enough of Messiah politicians? Why are all the baby killers being compared to the real Messiah? It’s blasphemy.

[Liz]

Thanks to FReeper ESTHER RUTH for posting the link on another thread:

December 14, 1999
FBI Tracked Alleged Russian Mob Ties of Giuliani Campaign Supporter
The Center for Public Integrity ^ | December 14, 1999 | BY Knut Royce
FR Posted on 02/15/2007 9:40:59 AM PST by Liz

WASHINGTON A prominent commodities trader who acknowledges a business history with a reputed Soviet Bloc crime figure and a notorious arms dealer has been one of New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's top campaign supporters.

Commodities trader Semyon (Sam) Kislin and his family also lavished thousands of dollars in contributions to Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer, to the Clinton-Gore re-election campaign, to former Republican Sen. Alfonse D'Amato and to a number of state and city politicians. Kislin sits on the New York City Economic Development Board.

Kislin is not alone among emigres from the former Soviet Union who have successfully established themselves in the United States while law enforcement agencies, particularly the FBI, track their alleged associations with organized crime. The Center for Public Integrity has obtained confidential law enforcement documents detailing the activities of dozens of the emigres, but authorities rarely make cases and still less share the intelligence outside their departments.

A 1996 Interpol report claims that Kislin's firm, Trans Commodities, Inc., was used by two reputed mobsters from Uzbekistan, Lev and Mikhail Chernoy, for fraud and embezzlement. And a confidential 1994 FBI intelligence report on the Brooklyn, N.Y., mob organization headed by Vyacheslav Ivankov, the imprisoned godfather of Russian organized crime in the United States, lists Kislin as a "member/associate" of Ivankov's gang. It claims that his company co-sponsored a Russian crime boss and contract killer for a US visa and asserts that he was a "close associate" of the late notorious arms smuggler Babeck Seroush, who later settled in Russia. --SNIP--

LINK http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785427/posts

[dfwgator]

I’d sure as hell feel a lot better with Rudy in the White House, than Zero.

[dfwgator]

As I recall, Freepers foolishly attacked Rudy Giuliani on this list during primary time. He would have been just fine on the most important issues and he is a loyal American and wants to see the U.S. continue and thrive. What was elected is anything but that.

BINGO!

[what's up]

As I recall, Freepers foolishly attacked Rudy Giuliani on this list during primary time. He would have been just fine on the most important issues

So true.

Strange thing is...the Freepers STILL would probably rather see the Marxist in power than Giuliani even today.

Oh...and Freepers also wanted Denny Hastert canned so they got Pelosi.

[Beelzebubba]

Had he been running against Obama rather than McCain he would have stood a better-than-even chance of winning IMO.

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He wouldn’t have picked Palin, and wouldn’t have gotten my vote.

[neverdem]

IMHO, I don't think Rudy the RINO will become Rudy the Savior. Why would anyone WANT to deal with Albany, NY? It's Albany as a boobie prize. His chance to get to the White House is probably gone.

Republican holds early lead for Gillibrand seat

FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[eleni121]

There’s no one else in this God forsaken state???

It’s not like the GOP will be taking on a Kennedy or a Cumo.

[Ol' Sparky]

His chance to get to the White House is probably gone.

He has zero chance of ever being the Republican nominee for President. His views on social issues are way out of the Republican mainstream.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Yeah, but, how else do you send a message to our so called leaders?

If the nation has indeed set out to betray all principles, and adopt marxism, and our leaders do not have the courage to resist, political activism becomes futile.

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe . Thomas Jefferson

The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed--where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.

"One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothing can beat teamwork." ~Seldom Seen Smith in The Monkey Wrench Gang (1975)

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher

[dfwgator]

What happens when Zero goes so far to the left, that even a lot of moderate Democrats decide to leave the Rat Party, and become Republicans? Then they will move the GOP more towards the center, where a guy like Rudy would have a greater shot.

[BfloGuy]

Hey, New Yorkers, how do feel about living in places like Michigan, or California. Cuz, that’s where you’re heading like a bullet train.

Who the heck are you talking to? New Yorkers on FreeRepublic agree with you, so stop lecturing us already!

[Ol' Sparky]

Then they will move the GOP more towards the center, where a guy like Rudy would have a greater shot.

Moving toward the "center" is what cost the Republicans the majority. McCain, the "moderate" was destroyed in the last election.

Giuliani's leftist views on social issues would drive Catholics and Hispanics to the Democrats even if the Republicans got back to limited-government policies.

[Boucheau]

“NewYorkers on FreeRepublic agree with you...”

I know that. I was “talking” to the masses of leftists that are infesting that state, not you.

[Cincinna]

Couln’t agree more.

Rudy would make a great Governor.

Patterson is an incompetent corrupt machine Pol, not to mention a far Leftwing Dim.

[DieHard the Hunter]

> He wouldn’t have picked Palin, and wouldn’t have gotten my vote.

I wouldn’t have picked Palin, either. Even now I’m not so sure about her.

Beyond dispute, she is a talented administrator and she is beyond dispute popular in Alaska and beyond dispute she can make tough calls guided by a moral compass that is well-calibrated exactly to where it should be: True North. Beyond dispute she is intelligent. And beyond dispute she is everything a Conservative should be.

Beyond dispute she is young and attractive and beyond dispute she is articulate and beyond dispute she represents a segment in society that has been under-represented in the Oval Office. (These latter three points are all that Obama as going for him BTW).

So why aren’t I sure about her? Why not select her for POTUS or for VP?

That’s a tough one. I think what it comes down to is this: people polarize on Sarah Palin very easily: they either love her or hate her. They take extreme positions and they keep them.

She is also really easy to charicature and ridicule, through no fault of her own. So was Reagan.

Given the chance to vote for Sarah Palin, I would vote for her in a heartbeat. Given the chance to select your next POTUS or VP candidate, I’d take a look at the talent pool, see who else might be lurking in there. They tell me Bobby Jindal is pretty good, for instance...

[Beelzebubba]

I think what it comes down to is this: people polarize on Sarah Palin very easily: they either love her or hate her.

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She stands for something.

I think our experiments with the contrary haven’t proven very successful.

[Twink]

“Rudy left this city a far better place than he found it.”

He certainly did that.

[Twink]

Me too. And, I would have voted for him in the primary if I had the chance.

[Twink]

The only reason McCain got my vote was because he chose Palin. I voted for her not him. I would have voted for Guiliani regardless of who he chose as VP.

Then again, I would have voted for anyone but Obama.

Unlike McCain, Guiliani doesn’t give a damn about the media or about how we’re viewed overseas.

[rmlew]

Rudy didn’t do the NYC GOP any favors. He hired Democrats, left us without a farm team and, as far as I remember, never lifted a finger to help any Republican City Councilman. He on;y remembered that he was a Republicans after 2001, when he had national aspirations.