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Victorian bushfires death toll expected to rise to 230
The Australian ^ | 9th February 2009

Posted on 02/08/2009 6:51:39 PM PST by naturalman1975

THE DEATH toll from the nation's worst bushfires is expected to more than double, with the Victorian Government being advised to prepare for 230 fatalities.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bushfire; bushfires; deathtoll; massmurder

1 posted on 02/08/2009 6:51:39 PM PST by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

ping


2 posted on 02/08/2009 6:52:25 PM PST by unkus
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To: naturalman1975
.....prayers up and support for our aussie FRiends
3 posted on 02/08/2009 6:53:07 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: naturalman1975

Why all the deaths? I guess I don’t understand why so many are dying.

Lack of communication or an inability to leave?


4 posted on 02/08/2009 6:54:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

Most of those killed died on Saturday (it is nearly 2pm Monday, here) The death toll is rising as bodies are found not because people are still dying.


5 posted on 02/08/2009 6:55:40 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Prayers up for our Aussie frinds.


6 posted on 02/08/2009 6:55:42 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: naturalman1975

I’ve been watching your headlines but haven’t really been aware of the timeline of events.


7 posted on 02/08/2009 6:56:59 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: naturalman1975

How many towns were hit? Is the fire still going?


8 posted on 02/08/2009 6:57:05 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

At least two towns have been destroyed. Dozens of others have been effected. Bendigo (the third largest city in the state) has been hit, with the loss of about fifty homes, but fortunately only one fatality. Suburbs on the outskirts of Melbourne have also been hit. At least thirty towns are still under threat. There are at least sixteen large fires or fire complexes still burning.


9 posted on 02/08/2009 7:02:49 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Wow, it seemed to have spread at incredible speed from a few articles I read.


10 posted on 02/08/2009 7:05:09 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: naturalman1975
from your link in post no. 1:

"Responding to speculation that the fires has been deliberately lit, the Prime Minister, who remained in Victoria today, said it would amount to “mass murder”."

11 posted on 02/08/2009 7:06:03 PM PST by Cindy
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To: All

OPINION:

I agree.


12 posted on 02/08/2009 7:06:40 PM PST by Cindy
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To: naturalman1975
Early-on NASA photo. The fires coalesced and apparantly trapped hundreds in a vast forest fire. The NASA photo shows numerous diverse sites all igniting in rapid succession, strongly suggestive of mobile arsonist(s).


13 posted on 02/08/2009 7:08:26 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: Fred Nerks

Ping - this is exactly what we feared.


14 posted on 02/08/2009 7:08:40 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil; Fred Nerks
Fred posted this info on another thread.

Islam group urges forest fire jihad Josh Gordon September 7, 2008

AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror. snip

full story at
http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=1

15 posted on 02/08/2009 7:16:52 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: BlackVeil; FormerACLUmember

I hope it’s not true, but terrorism is a very real possibility:

Islam group urges forest fire jihad
Josh Gordon
September 7, 2008

AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for “forest jihad” by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

US intelligence channels earlier this year identified a website calling on Muslims in Australia, the US, Europe and Russia to “start forest fires”, claiming “scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels’ forests when they do the same to our lands”.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html


16 posted on 02/08/2009 7:17:21 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Cindy

Isn’t Arson what happened in Greece or Italy last year?


17 posted on 02/08/2009 7:17:47 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: goodnesswins

Are you thinking of the “youths” in Greece or the “youths” in and around Paris, France?

Basically, just about the same type of activities — riots and destruction.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/youths
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/riots

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/athens
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/greece

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/paris
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/france


18 posted on 02/08/2009 7:25:46 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

NO...there were some huge fires last year (or maybe the year before) ..... in Greece or Italy....and they weren’t tied to any “youth” that I was aware of.


19 posted on 02/08/2009 7:31:13 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: naturalman1975

Prayers


20 posted on 02/08/2009 7:32:12 PM PST by Charlespg
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To: goodnesswins

Check the key words goodnesswins.

Start with Athens first as that was 2008; then Paris next.


21 posted on 02/08/2009 7:33:05 PM PST by Cindy
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To: naturalman1975
This is awful. I've emailed my cousins in Melbourne, as well as my aunt who is visiting there from Perth but haven't heard from them yet.

We in San Diego have very fresh and painful memories of the fires that paralyzed our city and caused 650,000 to evacuate, in October 2007.

My prayers are with are friends in Oz.

22 posted on 02/08/2009 7:33:35 PM PST by sofaman (Moses dragged us through the desert for 40 years to the one place in the ME with no oil - Golda Meir)
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To: Fred Nerks

Australia is lousy with vile islamists, who have been SPECIFICALLY threatening forest arson during the hot, dry Aussie summer (now).


23 posted on 02/08/2009 7:35:45 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: cripplecreek

The fire moved at speeds driven by gale force winds. Air temperature 117 F.

It became impossible to drive down roads where the fire moved faster than the vehicles could travel. Within the settlements, I watched a video where a wall of fire fifty feet high moved across a house and wooded lot in four seconds. That was four seconds between all green and totally engulfed.


24 posted on 02/08/2009 7:39:03 PM PST by Sundog (Atlas Shrugged needs to be required reading . . . Which character are you?)
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To: naturalman1975; LucyT

Just spoke to a friend in Melbourne, all the time she was on the telephone she couldn’t stop crying. This is a terrible tragedy.


25 posted on 02/08/2009 8:00:56 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
This is a terrible tragedy.

I'm so, so sorry. Prayers for all.

26 posted on 02/08/2009 8:29:28 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Fred Nerks

<This is a terrible tragedy.

I spent some time this morning reading on Australian news sites. We aren’t getting half the story over here. There are some horrendous stories coming out of the affected area.

I admit to not knowing about these big fires, but it seems that California gets them quite frequently with no where near the loss of life. What has happened in Australia?


27 posted on 02/08/2009 8:34:07 PM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: radiohead

“What has happened...”

Long period of no rain, high temperatures and have a look at the image at #13 and the comment ‘mobile arsonists’ - IMO terrorism is not ruled out.


28 posted on 02/08/2009 9:08:46 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: naturalman1975

Have any waterbombers been used?


29 posted on 02/09/2009 5:20:20 PM PST by tanuki (Summum ius summa injuria. (The more law, the less justice))
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To: tanuki

Yes, they are used a lot. We have a lot of our own and hire additional large waterbombers from the US every summer.

Australians refer to the Erickson S64 Air-Crane helicopter as ‘Elvis’ after a US waterbomber of that name saved dozens of lives over Sydney in 2001.

This year, we have six of those operating over here including Elvis.


30 posted on 02/09/2009 5:40:19 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Thanks for the info! I wondered if some of those big jet watertankers built lately might have helped. I know we in California were screaming for them last year.


31 posted on 02/09/2009 6:25:06 PM PST by tanuki (Summum ius summa injuria. (The more law, the less justice))
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