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16 illegals sue Arizona rancher
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| 2/9/09
| Mikey_1962
Posted on 02/09/2009 5:53:32 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator
To: mtrott
He needs to put up a sign saying ‘beware of pitbulls who protect my property’
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:41:49 AM PST
by
mriguy67
To: Mikey_1962
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:42:31 AM PST
by
meandog
(The two named Bush get the bird from this hand!))
To: SouthernBoyupNorth; Patriot
What part of no posts condoning violence on FR do the two of you not understand?
To: mtrott
First, what legal standing do the illegals have to bring a suit against the rancher?Probably unlawful imprisonment. AZ law allows for citizens arrest if you observe a felony happening, or in rare misdemeanor situations such as riot. Unfortunately, illegal entry into the US is not in and of itself a felony, and neither is simple trespass. So they are probably suing him for false arrest. That is why the Minutemen don't apprehend illegals, they just observe them and report them to the BP.
Not saying I agree with the law here, just giving my understanding of such. A man should be able to detain persons trespassing on his ranch until the authorities arrive.
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:45:35 AM PST
by
dirtboy
To: Mikey_1962
11th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:46:45 AM PST
by
LuxMaker
(The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
To: dirtboy
Umm...did he imprison them? I thought the article said he turned them over to authorities.
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:49:24 AM PST
by
mtrott
To: WayneS
. . . using rational thought and logic. . .
It defies both.
n March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury.
I can't find too much on him. Based on that quote alone, he sounds like a big weenie.
To: mtrott
Umm...did he imprison them? I thought the article said he turned them over to authorities.Holding someone at gunpoint is considered imprisonment under the statute. And unless he witnessed them breaking into his house, they were probably engaging in misdemeanor simple trespass.
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:51:29 AM PST
by
dirtboy
To: LuxMaker
The suit isn’t against one of the United States, it’s against a citizen of the United States.
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:52:05 AM PST
by
savedbygrace
(You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
To: Admin Moderator; Mikey_1962
Please bump up and put over to one of the sidebars...I see it nowhere there and believe it deserves to draw wide attention on FR
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:53:56 AM PST
by
meandog
(The two named Bush get the bird from this hand!))
To: dirtboy
“Probably unlawful imprisonment. AZ law allows for citizens arrest if you observe a felony happening, or in rare misdemeanor situations such as riot. Unfortunately, illegal entry into the US is not in and of itself a felony, and neither is simple trespass.”
Simple solution. Make illegal entry into the US a felony. An alternative may be to accuse them of stealing water from his tank. Under Texas law that he could legally detain them or worse.
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:55:37 AM PST
by
Hacklehead
(Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
To: mtrott
He did, but the authorities don’t live on his ranch. He held them until they arrived. (If I read the article correctly.) There’s also something about kicking a woman, which I highly doubt.
To: Mikey_1962
Are you kidding me?
A judge allowed this case???
Adsurdity.
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:56:50 AM PST
by
Former MSM Viewer
("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
To: mtrott
also, if they are illegal, why arent they in jail or deported and not allowed back here...
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:58:41 AM PST
by
Former MSM Viewer
("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
To: Hacklehead
Probably unlawful imprisonment. AZ law allows for citizens arrest if you observe a felony happening, or in rare misdemeanor situations such as riot. Unfortunately, illegal entry into the US is not in and of itself a felony, and neither is simple trespass.Willful damage and vandalism to private property, killing livestock not a felony?
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posted on
02/09/2009 6:59:16 AM PST
by
meandog
(The two named Bush get the bird from this hand!))
To: meandog
Willful damage and vandalism to private property, killing livestock not a felony? The main question is, did the rancher observe any of this particular group engaging in a probable felony?
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posted on
02/09/2009 7:02:00 AM PST
by
dirtboy
To: DJ Taylor
I wonder if little Johnny Sutton is involved in any way with this prosecution? Sutton flew on a SR-71 out of Lackland to be in the judge's chambers before the judge woke up. He also personally escorted these illegals to the rancher's property from Veracruz.
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posted on
02/09/2009 7:05:12 AM PST
by
1rudeboy
To: WayneS
Id like someone to explain to me, using rational thought and logic, why this lawsuit was not thrown out of court on the first day!Because the whole world gets the benefit of America, only poor jokers like you and me get to pay for it. The rest of the world, and democrats, are exempt from taxes.
To: Mikey_1962
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