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HEALTH BOARDS IN THE SPENDING BILL NOT JUST ABOUT SENIORS!
Canada Free Press ^ | Vanity

Posted on 02/10/2009 8:48:30 AM PST by Til I am the last man standing

There are a lot of good threads about this topic (see below) and I wouldn't want to step on their great comments, but this is not just about seniors. This is about every person of any age with a life threatening illness. If you are a thirty year old woman and you develop a non-chemo sensitive tumor and have the genes that predispose you to breast cancer your life expectancy with treatment is only about 30% over 5 years. YOU WOULDN’T QUALIFY FOR TREATMENT BECAUSE OF THE COST VS LIFE EXPECTANCY RATIO THE BOARD WILL USE. And who is going to set that ratio? Is congress going to meddle in like they are meddling in every other aspect of our life? Will they have the power to raise or lower it? THIS IS ABOUT EVERYONE OF US NOT JUST SENIORS!! IT IS FOR ANY TREATMENT AT ANY AGE! Do not ignore the potential for the government to reach into our health care decisions for ourselves and...our...children.THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT SENIORS

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2182302/posts

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1 posted on 02/10/2009 8:48:30 AM PST by Til I am the last man standing
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To: Til I am the last man standing

I’ve been thinking about the threat to disabled children. They’re “useless feeders” too.


2 posted on 02/10/2009 8:51:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Til I am the last man standing

That is scary.


3 posted on 02/10/2009 8:52:16 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: cripplecreek

EXACTLY.....anyone who isn’t a cost/benefit probably won’t have a prayer....welcome to Nazi Germany


4 posted on 02/10/2009 8:52:16 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: cripplecreek

You know, the greatness of a society is how they treat their weakest members. We very quickly becoming not so great. :(


5 posted on 02/10/2009 8:53:08 AM PST by DonaldC
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To: Til I am the last man standing

Americans should have a strong appreciation for this. These kinds of formulas are common in national systems and are now creeping into Medicare. This thrusts them into the US system overall, big time, nearly overnight.

Soon, life and death decisions will be common in our system, and the cost will be high for American families wanting to preserve the lives of loved ones or themselves.


6 posted on 02/10/2009 8:53:13 AM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Til I am the last man standing

Dude, where’s the ‘keep your laws off my body’ chicks, now?


7 posted on 02/10/2009 8:53:43 AM PST by griswold3 (a good story is more compelling than the search for truth)
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To: Til I am the last man standing

You are so right. One of the goals of this board is to evaluate cost / benefit values of treatment and technology and order the cheaper treatment if it is almost as good as the newer, more expensive treatment or equipment. In other words, no improved x-ray machines, or heart monitors, or pace makers. No new joint replacement devices, the old is good enough.

That’s the key, good enough. Aim for mediocrity, it’s only fair.


8 posted on 02/10/2009 8:54:14 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: cripplecreek

Wonder how long until we face forced abortion of babies deemed unworthy?


9 posted on 02/10/2009 8:54:20 AM PST by texas_mrs
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To: cripplecreek

Every kid with cancer, the disabled, all cardiovascular, liver, neurological, pancreatic diseases, to name just a few will be part of this ratio evaluation process


10 posted on 02/10/2009 8:54:41 AM PST by Til I am the last man standing
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To: Til I am the last man standing

The reality, however, is that people ought to be making the same calculations with their OWN money. What’s objectionable is having the government take everybody’s money in taxes, and then make these calculations and act on them, without the individual in question getting the benefit of being able to pass on money that she decides not to spend on herself due to poor cost/benefit outlook.


11 posted on 02/10/2009 8:55:19 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Til I am the last man standing

Isn’t it funny that the pro-abortion people (Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Daschle) who support this nonsense will spew the following rhetoric when supporting abortion and FOCA:

“FOCA is about making sure that women have control over their own bodies by stopping undue governmental interference with what is quite possibly the most personal decision a woman could ever have to make.”

What about a person’s right to choose to live? Keep the government out of health care decisions!


12 posted on 02/10/2009 8:56:48 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: Eva

Remember the flap in Britain over macular degeneration. Thier standard called for treatment after the vision in one eye was gone.

You had to lose an eye to get treatment!! The Brits caused a stink and they backed down.

Are we ready to do that about every decision?

ANd will there be an option to pay yourself? I suspect not,,that would be unfair as the “rich” would get better care.

Already, in my treatment for cancer this is intruding. For instance Pro Crit is given for low hemoglobin ,,anemia caused by chemo. The “standards” allow it when your hemoglobin is below 10,,I at 10.1 am short of breath, cant walk very far, am tired but no, I cannot get procrit. It is too expensive. So I am less on the “performance scale” which can determine what trials of drugs you can get if you fail “recommended” chemo.

ANd no experimental treatment? What does that mean? No clinical trials” How will we have progress. ANd clinical trials are where cancer pts go when treatment fails. It is their only hope.


13 posted on 02/10/2009 8:59:33 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I heard a local lib talker give the best lib reasons for taxing the rich. They want the rich to have two choices for their money....to give it to the gov’t in taxes or to plow it into their business. In Obama’s world that means those who can afford care outside a system like this won’t be able to. We won’t have a two tier system because the rich won’t be rich anymore and they won’t have the option of spending their own money on additional care.


14 posted on 02/10/2009 8:59:54 AM PST by Til I am the last man standing
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To: goodnesswins

I once had a girlfriend who was born with a serious heart defect in 1969. Her life expectancy at birth was measured in weeks or months at birth. If it weren’t for a doctor taking a risk and performing one of the earliest open heart surgeries, she wouldn’t have survived long enough for me to meet her at 19. As it was her life expectancy was still only about 20 years. She passed away 1 day before her 31st birthday.

Another issue at stake is medical advancement. Necessity is the mother of invention. Remove the necessity and there will be no more invention.

So much for progressives and their progress.


15 posted on 02/10/2009 9:02:57 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Til I am the last man standing
This Bill will not effect everyone equally.

The Congressional elite and their families (who do not pay taxes) will continue to get special treatment
such as, when THEY are sick, pulling dozens of Drs. from several Tumor Boards
all along the entire coast (eg. Kennedy) robbing the meagre Healthcare which would have been for the oxygen-wasting proles.
Ordinary, taxpaying American citizens will now wait, and after months to years, receive some rationed Healthcare
by age, religion, and diagnosis, so that each and every criminal illegal can get free health care and IVF.


16 posted on 02/10/2009 9:02:57 AM PST by Diogenesis (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: cajungirl

Don’t forget that Federal Employees and politicians are covered under a special health care plan. We need to demand the end to special treatment for federal employees and politicians.


17 posted on 02/10/2009 9:03:16 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: Diogenesis

EXACTLY...I’ve lived in Canada....talked to Canadians....read the Canadian news.....”special” people get better care in Canada....by “special” I mean ELECTED, CONNECTED, etc....


18 posted on 02/10/2009 9:05:07 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: Eva

Doesn’t Teddy K have a “hopeless diagnosis”? Stop treatment NOW Teddy, lead by example. sarc/


19 posted on 02/10/2009 9:07:07 AM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Til I am the last man standing
Based on the above no woman would be eligible for treatment of breast cancer or no man treated for prostate cancer. Why because doctors only give you 5 year survival rates - a statistic.
20 posted on 02/10/2009 9:08:16 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: Til I am the last man standing

Where’s Michael Steele?


21 posted on 02/10/2009 9:08:18 AM PST by TheThinker (Shame and guilt mongering is the Left's favorite tool of control.)
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To: All

I wonder how many people who voted this abomination into office watched the “Dog and Pony” show last night. The Salesman in Chief has just gone for the close and those who are so dazzled by the “freebies” promised won’t even know what they’ve done to themselves.

It’s like the old saying, “Didn’t know his throat had been cut until he went to turn his head.” Like lambs to the slaughter. America, America this cannot happen, but I guess it must before the end comes. Maybe it will take parents who cannot save their beloved children or children who cannot save their beloved parents. Tell them to just “accept the inevitable and move on.”


22 posted on 02/10/2009 9:08:40 AM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: griswold3

“Dude, where’s the ‘keep your laws off my body’ chicks, now?”

They’re busy counting their abortion dollars. Big money.


23 posted on 02/10/2009 9:09:58 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: kalee

Teddy is a politician, they have their own separate health care insurance. The elite take care of themselves.


24 posted on 02/10/2009 9:10:23 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: Til I am the last man standing

This is akin to Hitler’s Germany, where you’ve got the government deciding who will live and who will die.


25 posted on 02/10/2009 9:10:27 AM PST by FarRightFanatic (It wasn't an election. It was a socialist coup.)
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To: Til I am the last man standing

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26 posted on 02/10/2009 9:12:04 AM PST by Foolsgold ("We live in the greatest country in the world and I am going to change it" Barry O'boomarang 2008)
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To: Til I am the last man standing
Where is AARP? They should be screaming bloody murder.
27 posted on 02/10/2009 9:14:11 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: TheThinker

He was on FNF this AM and got his head handed to him by the Dem Governor from VA.


28 posted on 02/10/2009 9:15:13 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: cripplecreek
Another "society" had a similar attitude towards the "useless".
This man cost the "volke" 60,000 reichmarks during his lifetime:
nazi abortion propaganda
29 posted on 02/10/2009 9:15:14 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: mad_as_he$$

The AARP got their liberals into power -

what else do you expect them to do?
Mission Accomplished as far as they’re concerned.


30 posted on 02/10/2009 9:16:30 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Eva

I know that, my point is he needs to “lead”, but we all know he won’t.


31 posted on 02/10/2009 9:17:24 AM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: MrB

Guess their next membership drive will be a little slow.


32 posted on 02/10/2009 9:18:37 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: kalee

Are you kidding, posters said that it looked like “Week-end at Bernie’s”, when they wheeled Teddy into vote on the stimulus bill. It’s time for the other Kennedy’s to take the lead and suggest assisted suicide.


33 posted on 02/10/2009 9:21:13 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: cripplecreek

They’re only temporarily alive.


34 posted on 02/10/2009 9:22:59 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Til I am the last man standing

Can anyone tell me how national health care, with its rationing of care, is any different than the Nazis singling out certain peoples for extermination? Except instead of actively shoving them into gas chambers the sick and the old are simply left to die without treatment. No difference as far as I can see. This is true of Canada, the UK and any other country that practices this BS.


35 posted on 02/10/2009 9:28:22 AM PST by calex59
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To: mad_as_he$$
You can call him at 202-863-8700.

Ask for the comment line and tell him to put pressure on Collins, Spector and Snowe.

These RINOS need to have pressure applied from all directions!

36 posted on 02/10/2009 9:29:40 AM PST by TheThinker (Shame and guilt mongering is the Left's favorite tool of control.)
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To: Til I am the last man standing
Every kid with cancer, the disabled, all cardiovascular, liver, neurological, pancreatic diseases, to name just a few will be part of this ratio evaluation process

Not to mention Down's Syndrome children, people paralyzed in accidents(they have shorter life expectancies) etc.

37 posted on 02/10/2009 9:30:42 AM PST by calex59
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To: cripplecreek
Another issue at stake is medical advancement. Necessity is the mother of invention. Remove the necessity and there will be no more invention.

At 23, I suffered from a rare, post-op complication, top brain surgeons had no clue as to what, why, how to deal, etc. At one point, I needed an MRI every week to watch what was going on, monitor, there was no way I could afford that. The head doc at the GE Research Lab in South San Francisco was a real human being, took pity on me and said if I would let myself be his *guinea pig* on his machines, he would let me have the MRI films for no charge. I was the first patient imaged on the Open MRI you hear about, the one with no sides, designed to allow those with claustrophobia to endure the procedure, just one instance.

We're at the beginning, people will be lucky to get an MRI if this goes through, let alone money put into research and development into new, better technology. God help the people who voted for this goob and his cadre, they had better do everything they can, hope to high heaven they never get sick.

38 posted on 02/10/2009 9:32:15 AM PST by MozarkDawg
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To: mad_as_he$$

AARP will go along with this, just like they support Hillary care. There membership did not support Hillary care but the AARP did. This will be the same. Anyone who sends any money to that organization is a fool.


39 posted on 02/10/2009 9:37:16 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: calex59

Add in autistic kids too, of which there are many many more recently.


40 posted on 02/10/2009 9:37:23 AM PST by sfimom (I know nothing.)
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To: Eva
Teddy is a politician, they have their own separate health care insurance. The elite take care of themselves.

It wasn't just that he had separate insurance, it was his NAME, as you say, the elite. At the very time he was diagnosed with brain cancer and within two weeks, he's down at Duke having top neurosurgeons working on him, I was waiting for brain surgery that was ten years delayed, in part due to docs ignoring obvious symptoms my body demonstrated, I was finally referred to a special institution in NY in March, '06 ... but because my surname was NOT Kennedy, I was put at the end of the line, did not get in until August. I am suffering permanent damage in my left arm that may not have occurred had I been allowed to have the surgery in March.

I don't ever want to hear how difficult it is for Kennedy, he has NO idea, NONE.

41 posted on 02/10/2009 9:39:15 AM PST by MozarkDawg
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To: cripplecreek
I’ve been thinking about the threat to disabled children.

My friend had a child who developed CP from a genetic disorder. She had food allergies galore and the only thing she could keep down was a prescription formula called Tolerex (to the tune of $800/mo) The insurance company fought her tooth and nail... and in the meantime she had to cash in all her savings and retirement to keep the kid alive.

The insurance determined: 1)the prescription was a food formula 2)the prognosis of 2-3 years wasn't worth it.

She finally got it resolved 18mo later...but was never reimbursed the money she spent out of pocket. The child lived to 9 years of age. If the insurance company had their way.... she'd have stayed at the 2-3yr prognosis.

42 posted on 02/10/2009 9:44:27 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: cripplecreek

My son is a Type 1 diabetic and I am VERY worried for his future.

Last weekend I told him that it was time to get more serious than ever about his education. Math, math and MORE MATH. He has to study his butt off to be a worthwhile member of society in liberals’ eyes.

Before that, he wanted to get into the oil industry. Now that’s simply laughable.


43 posted on 02/10/2009 9:55:12 AM PST by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: MozarkDawg

What was your diagnosis?


44 posted on 02/10/2009 9:59:39 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: w1andsodidwe
Anyone who sends any money to that organization is a fool

But,...but.... where would I get my 10% disc at Best Western? :)

45 posted on 02/10/2009 10:00:53 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Til I am the last man standing

Maybe this portends the end to treating gays with HIV. Since it may be prohibitively expensive to keep treating people with HIV, the government may simply decide that they should just get full blown AIDS and die.


46 posted on 02/10/2009 10:02:13 AM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: kalee
Doesn’t Teddy K have a “hopeless diagnosis”?

We all do......starting the day we're born. He just believes he's more worthwhile. Ever played "lifeboat"? That's where we're headed...

47 posted on 02/10/2009 10:08:50 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Enterprise
Maybe this portends the end to treating gays with HIV.

Well now, that is why we must have gay marriage, then they will for sure be monogamous and never get aids. /sarcasm

48 posted on 02/10/2009 10:19:48 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Til I am the last man standing

I just read about some other bad news that is included in the Pelosi version of the bill. She is ending Cliniton’s welfare reform, returning to open ended benefits with no work requirements. She wants to create ghettos, like in Paris, where the out of work “youths” burn cars for entertainment.


49 posted on 02/10/2009 10:25:31 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: Enterprise
"Maybe this portends the end to treating gays with HIV."

ROFLOL! They are a protected group just like illegals. Nothing is too good or to expensive for them.

50 posted on 02/10/2009 10:32:06 AM PST by penowa
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