Skip to comments.Striking An Effective Blow Against Tyranny
Posted on 02/11/2009 2:53:09 PM PST by Windflier
Obama and his Socialist Democrats have truly thrown down the gauntlet with their Trillion Dollar "Stimulus" bill. The Democrats are going for broke to move America into a condition of permanent Socialism. Next stop: full blown Marxism / Communism.
I've become convinced that we citizens no longer have true representation in our government, and our votes aren't making much of a difference, either.
No one in Washington is listening to what We The People need and want any longer.
The Socialist Democrats and RINOs now in power are only interested in solidifying their power base and their complete control over our existence. They will ignore or destroy the US Constitution to achieve their aims, if necessary.
We The People must do something now to effectively stop, or to at least slow the ongoing process unfolding before our eyes. To say that we will lose our country if we do nothing, is no longer frightened rhetoric in my opinion.
Short of armed insurrection, there's only one other effective way that I can think of to put the brakes on this madness, and that is a widespread tax revolt.
Why should the hard working, tax paying, law abiding members of this country pay the lawless usurpers in our government to enslave them, and their children? Answer: they shouldn't.
Our country's first form of protest against the suppression of Great Britain was a tax revolt. The Boston Tea Party was the ignition point that got the American people on their feet, and galvanized them to fight back against the real tyranny of the time.
It's my opinion that we need to repeat that very effective protest now. Here is my concept for striking an effective blow against the encroaching and real tyranny we face...
We need at least Ten Million Americans to commit to simultaneously stop paying all federal taxes. It has to be a number that large to ensure the safety of all who join the effort. The government is large, but they don't have the power or the resources to prosecute ten million tax resisters.
I would like to get a website up where people can read about the tax revolt and the reasoning behind it.
The site should have a place where each person who agrees to join the revolt can anonymously sign a pledge to stop paying federal taxes, once we reach the ten million mark.
A person would simply check a box (similar to an online poll), indicating their agreement to join the tax revolt.
The site should have a counter prominently displayed, keeping track of how many people have joined the tax revolt.
The site should have a forum to stimulate discussion about the tax revolt and the myriad reasons for it. This will also encourage a great many people to join the revolt, when they can read the thoughts of other patriots.
The site should also link to other like-minded patriotic websites and forums.
When the ten million mark is reached, the announcement to begin the tax revolt will be posted large on the front page of the site. On that day, ten million (or more) Americans will cease submitting to the extortion of their hard earned money by the Socialist usurpers in Washington.
There is strength in numbers. People will find the bravery to do this, if they see that millions of their fellow Americans are ready, willing, and committed to fight back.
I've been floating this idea on conservative discussion forums for many months now, and have gotten nothing but positive feedback about the idea.
Apparently, there are millions of Americans who want to do something effective to fight back, but don't have a ready answer as to what they can personally do. Many also have the spirit to fight, but don't see any organized resistance that they can join.
Someone's got to start the ball rolling. I think that this is an idea that will work. It could snowball into a full-scale tax revolt on the part of the American people, if it's simply launched.
As I said, short of armed insurrection, I can't think of anything more effective that the American people can do to get the government's attention, and which can put The People back in the driver's seat where they belong.
Naturally, there are a lot of things to think through before putting up such a website. I don't want to try to cover them all here, but I'm sure you've already thought of a few. They do need to be discussed and resolved.
Please let me know what you think of the basic concept, and what your thoughts are regarding the construction and maintenance of the website.
Your fellow patriot, Windflier
Please consider assisting me with this effort.
How do you NOT pay taxes if you’re working for a corporation? The best we’ve done is take the MAXIMUM deductions - 10.
A little bit scary, but if there are millions of others I’m all in. It’s worth pursuing.
I am afraid our politicians are listening to the people, which include morons, idiots, and democrats; they are in the majority.
You don't. But...we can start by not filing a return on Apr 15th. If MILLIONS refuse to file and send any additional money to the thieves then we have their attention!
It would scare the living sh!t out of them!
That's better than nothing! If everyone pays nothing or as little as possible let them try to find the money to pay for 'their tax cuts for 95% of the people' (which is a damn lie)!
If you are FOR social security YOU ARE A SOCIALIST.. and are in denial..
IBTZ. This same stuff got zotted yesterday.
If we can get 10 million people by April 15, for the federal returns first year of zer0’s admin., we could at least, for the squeamish..withhold them for a time period.
Let them see how a total refusal would hurt them.
Or is that just chicken?
Then you've done all you can to support this. Well done.
What we need is advice on the nuts and bolts of secure website construction at this point.
Thanks for your willingness.
As the economy unravels with the further destruction that will be caused by the Socialists (that's their goal; which will leave THE PEOPLE totally dependent on "them"), more and more will have no income to tax....
When you send in your checks for payment on April 15, 2009, might I suggest wrapping them around some fecal matter, and sending to the IRS via Priority Mail?
goodnesswins wrote:You can also claim complete exemption on your W4. That's there for people who expect to have no tax liability at all.
How do you NOT pay taxes if youre working for a corporation? The best weve done is take the MAXIMUM deductions - 10.
The maximum you can *legally* take is an amount equal to one per each personal exemption you're able to claim, plus one for every $3,500 you expect to claim in itemized deductions over your standard deduction amount.
That all said, there is no limit to the number you can claim on a W-4 (if you're willing to be illegal about it). However, be warned that if you claim more than 9, your employer is required to submit a copy of the W-4 to the IRS with their quarterly payroll tax return. If 9 or under, your employer merely keeps it in their files.
All you employees out there, proceed accordingly.
Pull into your shell for 2 years - until the 2010 elections. If that election doesn't give us a Congress that believes in limited government and makes Obama irrelevant, then Turtle Out for two more years. If patriots regain control of our government and cut back to a sane level of spending, then I'll have a whole lot of money available to support the economy. Otherwise, I'm on strike as a consumer and as an investor.
I have closed all accounts with TARP businesses - permanently. I don't even take checks drawn on those banks. I have stopped making major purchases that will stimulate the economy, repairing my car without even considering buying new. If I eventually buy new, it won't be from GM or any other automaker that takes bailout funds. I have stopped supporting Hollywood, both their movies and their TV shows, going from one or two movies per year to none for the next four years. I have no cable. I do more with my kids than ever - active and outdoors instead of dollar-intensive.
This year's tax return will be a marvel of creative writing and paperwork justification, and it'll all be true. I have been donating to my local charity and keeping detailed records of what was donated. Perhaps they'll throw a few of those things out, but all clothing was in good enough condition for me to wear the week before, so I'm taking the value listed by a deduction finder software package. Believe me, it adds up. Books? I donated over $2,000 worth of books. All in all, I have over $10k in deductions, all legal, all truthful, and all cutting into the money that the Obama/Pelosi socialists have available to destroy our country. And the cash saved on taxes? It goes to the NRA and my church.
Starve the beast - Turtle Out!
Well...I said elsewhere EVERYONE should file for a “delay” for your taxes....it doesn’t cost anything....except...my brain seems to be reminding me now, that you’re supposed to pay an “estimated” amount.....hhmmmmm....any tax accountants here?
Be careful....there are some times when they look at those donations and your income, and consider you for audit, I believe....
That said I'm for cutting it off at a certain age and allowing the younger group to privately invest as they see fit.
BUT, your “Starve the Beast” is what we will be doing....getting out of Bank of “America” right now....bought everything needed pretty much by 1/20/09....TurtleOut is the plan, except for building Conservative clubs....give to NO organization (or business) that supports Democrats OR Democrat ideas (Habitat for Humanity, United Way, etc.) Only to NRA, conservative Churches, and certain Military organizations.
>TAR AND FEATHERS
I notice that the politicians are the only notable group which was “horrified, saying it was a ‘barbaric act’ that had ‘no place in a civilized society’”.
Maybe that’s because they don’t want their subjects, er, I mean constituents getting any ideas.
Sooo...if we are claiming 10 right now...is the employer reporting it quarterly?
I'll pass an audit. As I said, I have the paperwork, and the donations were real. In my last audit, they actually found that I deserved more money back - NOT worth the time or aggravation, but I'm not going to violate the letter of the law (just the spirit).
That's right. There are only small late fees for filing a late return, despite widespread misconceptions.
Geitner would probably direct the IRS to file Substitute File Returns on behalf of the protesters.
Then the (relatively small) penalties and interest begin.
I hear you, MD. We're doing a lot of that in my house, too.
That will also land you in trouble. The USPS prohibits sending feces through the mail except for medical or veterinary purposes.
“Conspiracy to defraud the United States”
verb (used with object) to deprive of a right, money, or property by fraud
1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.>i
I see nothing deceitful about simply not paying all of the taxes the marxists say we should pay. There is also no trickery. As far as unfair or dishonest advantage, the reduced (or zero) tax liability would simply be our own economic stimulus.
It's not hard to fill out the form for an automatic 1040 extension (you have until August 15 to file). The only catch is, you're still required to send any payment that you owe by 4/15, with the extension form.
It may still cause a big shockwave to have so many extensions. Imagine those IRS workers, being forced to process millions of extensions in AUGUST.
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Everyone has to do what works best for them. I recommend legal stuff though. Write every expense down and then evaluate...how can you reduce this? Stop eating out. Shop second hand and garage sells. If you can afford it take a day off and don’t draw vacation or sick time. Tuesdays are a good day to stay home and not spend anything. With enough people cutting back those sales taxes will add up fast.
The reason is really quite simple: with or without the 'stimulus' package, total GDP is going to contract a minimum of about 10-15%. This means that unemployment is going to hit somewhere in the neighborhood of 20%.
So, put it all together. Unemployed people who are operating in the black/gray (cash/barter) market economies just to get by day-day neither report nor pay taxes. Of course, they have limited or no credit, so non-essential consumption goes out the door as well. To cap it off, they increase service demands on the state for things like UI, housing, food, medical, etc.
Do you see the picture? Without doing a dang thing, we're gonna see huge shortfalls in tax receipts (income, sales & property) combined with skyrocketing demands for support. No state can take this 1-2 punch, including the US. This is why Hussein's economic team is frantically trying to reignite the FIRE economy via spending bills and banking bailout provisions. But it is all to naught.
Our socialist country is simply not going to have the sufficient financing to fund the welfare state. No payments, no peace. And it isn't going to be conservatives doing the rioting. Just sit back, watch & prepare. Don't make yourself a target via illegal tax evasion. Events brewing for over 70 years have been set in motion, and there is no stopping the end game from being played out.
And on the heels of that, the dollar will be devalued to nothing, ushering in the age of Herr Obama, Fuhrer for Life.
I firmly believe that this is their plan. We've got to do something to stop this.
I’ve considered your theory/scenario, and feel that it’s close to what we’ll soon see, but it doesn’t eliminate the need for the people to do something proactive to address the usurpations and violations of our Constitution now occurring before our eyes.
I feel that to simply sit back and wait for the “inevitable” to come, is just submitting to tyranny and enslavement.
My view is that our country is being commandeered by traitors and thieves. The right thing, is to fight back against that theft. Only the form of resistance should be in question - not whether we will resist.
goodnesswins wrote:Two problems. First, most taxpayers get refunds, they don't have to pay anything when they file their returns. And delaying just lets the IRS keep your money interest free for longer.
Well...I said elsewhere EVERYONE should file for a delay for your taxes....it doesnt cost anything....except...my brain seems to be reminding me now, that youre supposed to pay an estimated amount.....hhmmmmm....any tax accountants here?
Second, if you do owe money, when you file your extension (Form 4868, Application for Automatic Extension of Time To File U.S. Income Tax Return), you are supposed to include your estimated amount due. If you underpay at that time, you'll owe taxes plus interest and penalties (unless you're nominated to a cabinet post, where the penalties will be waived).
The best bet for this is to file Form W-4 and claim exemption. There's a place on the form for this. I'm not sure what the penalties are for claiming exempt status if you don't meet the requirements. And your company might discourage you, refuse to participate or even rat you out to the tax man.
True; the dollar will be like old German Marks, where a bushel of them might buy one egg.
Too few are remaining that recall the traditional values days of the 40's and 50's, and with decades of indoctrination by the NEA-led "teachers" and Liberal Professors in colleges, there are few truly concerned folks remaining. Couple that with 3rd-generation welfare fatherless "families", and the promotion of "single parenting", and we were ripe for the Socialist picking.
There's no judicial system left, the Constitution is relegated to the trash pile, and with half the population thinking they have a "better way"; it will take decades to return America to its roots.
The destruction of the economy was NO accident; and where did the nearly $1 billion to elect The Messiah come from?
Our generation may never know who or how this was foisted on us, but somewhere down the road, someone will find the facts.
In the meantime, buy guns while you can, and ammo, and stock up on canned goods.....it's going to be a tough road ahead for those who have EARNED their own way, only now to be attacked to "share" with those who sat on their dead asses and took whatever handouts the Democrats would give them.
Liberals, leftists, socialists, and progressives are **all** riding the same train. The final destination is: COMMUNISM!
Yes, I am shouting. Conservatives are either deluded or asleep, and we will not have victory unless we understand who and what the enemy is.
Judging from the number of liberals who by party affiliation are allies with the UAW yet drive foreign built cars, I suspect many were doing this during the Bush years.
You can sign up on a new W-4 for 9 deductions.
If you put the money aside in a separate account—or save it at home in cash is even better—you slow to a dribble the amount of tax money that flows regularly into the IRS from weekly payroll with-holding
Say you have 20 employees in a company.
Say that under current paychecks, the weekly payroll deposit was $3000 just for Fed with-holding.
If everyone drops their W-4 to 9 exemptions—perfectly legal—the irs Fed with-holding deposit weekly would probably drop to no more than $300 or so. I would have to see each paycheck and do the math.
But you get the idea. Drastically cut the flow of money into the IRS, and someone will get a message real quick.
you- the employee—must set aside the difference yourself and be careful about it, so that when you have to file your taxes you have the money.
On the other hand-—send in your tax return—but send NO money. Tell them why, and send an accompanying letter with information to your representatives.
In effect, they already have. 70 years of creeping socialism was accelerated by Carter's CRA, then Clinton's expansion and judicial extortion. The victims used Fannie/Freddie as a release valve to offload their risk, the market thieves smelled blood and went into high gear with CDO/CDS, and the rest is history.
Parasitic socialism needs a healthy host in which to prey. Once the host falls ill or dies, the parasite itself is finished. If you understand numbers, you know the whole facade's days are numbered. Don't act rashly and make yourself known. Hide in the shadows and act when events begin to spiral out of control. You'll know what to do.
If we can get 10 million people by April 15, for the federal returns first year of zer0s admin., we could at least, for the squeamish..withhold them for a time period.
Let them see how a total refusal would hurt them.
Or is that just chicken?”
It is a great idea-—the Feds depend on the landslide of money they get on April 15. Now you have about 65 days to get this organized.
Hmm... Didn’t think of it in those terms, I have been prepping and planning for a couple of years on a collapse, pretty much have most of what I and my family will need for awhile ... although the prepping won’t stop... yet!
BLOAT and hunker down...
However, be warned that if you claim more than 9, your employer is required to submit a copy of the W-4 to the IRS with their quarterly payroll tax return.
When I was doing large payrolls, the W-4 had to be sent to IRS within 10 days by the employer.
Don’t worry. He’s not going to be a fuhrer for life. He’ll be lucky to get through his first term. He didn’t exactly win in a landslide. Freakin’ McCain got 47 million votes - and that’s without all of our people turning out and without any positive press coverage and an unpopular outgoing President. When all of those democrats from PA, OH and the rest of the heartland who voted for Obama don’t get their jobs and are disappointed with their lousy tax cut, we’ll be in. Just be patient. The tide is turning and he’s only been in for 3 weeks.
What if a few million Americans filed returns in the name “Tim Geitner”. All with an income around $400,000 and a Zero tax liability, of course.
If, for example, Rush said this was the end as we know it, and encouraged his 20 million listeners to do it.... it would be done. Also may be his last day on the air (scary, but admit it, it’s probably true)