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Gun battle in a neighborhood (Armed Citizen in Tucson Defends His "Castle")
WCBD ^ | 2/11/2009 | n/a

Posted on 02/11/2009 5:41:04 PM PST by Pyro7480

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To: ChocChipCookie
So in a situation like this, which weapon would have been most effective? A shotgun, rifle or a handgun (9mm/.357/40)?

My personal preference if access time is not a factor would be a 12 gauge home defense shotgun with 00 buck shot. It reduces the need for shot accuracy (in a time of panic) and you have a 9-15 in 1 shot chance of hitting the perp with a pellet, each of which is equivalent in size to a 33 caliber. If you prefer a pistol, go with something like hydro-shock bullets to maximize damage. Preferences are like opinions, everyone has one.

51 posted on 02/12/2009 6:33:39 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Obama? No Hope. Forget Change. Just more of the same old same old. Only worse. Much worse.)
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To: Pyro7480

That story could’ve been written better...Oh wait, it’s TV...

Muh bad...

“...retreated and took off...”

Kinda repetative I guess...

Even thought I am grammicably and speelingly challenged at times...I probably shouldn’t complain...;-)


52 posted on 02/12/2009 9:51:43 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well, my imagination doesn’t contemplate such a senario...But I do see the horror of such a situation...

Somehow I imagine...No, I know for a fact...

That the powers at be do not consider an armed populace capable of a consistant response to such a crime...And those they know who are personally “armed and safe” are considered by them to be criminals and guilty before they choose to defend themselves in a situation like this...

Screw ‘em...


53 posted on 02/12/2009 9:56:27 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: ChocChipCookie
I’m also interested to know just what caused the homeowner to see what was happening via the surveillance cameras. If we had those installed, I know I sure don’t have the time to be watching a monitor 24/7.

The video feed can be routed to your television and left up in the "picture in picture" small window.

I know several cops in the Dallas area who have upgraded their home alarms with camera systems. When the cops start beefing up their home security, it's definitely time to worry.

54 posted on 02/12/2009 5:53:00 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: ChocChipCookie

I have no idea. I have an old pellet gun, and don’t even know if it works.


55 posted on 02/12/2009 6:04:47 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: ansel12

IDIOT CRIMINALS COME IN ALL STRIPES!

That would be idiot punk Hispanic males between 17 and 25-years-old.just that this group is coming in like an invading Army! Oh you think!

Idiot punk Islamic males between 17 and 25-years-old.

And of course all the idiot punk white/black males between 17 and 25-years-old.

Now the females between 17 and 25-years-old are jumping in.

And idiot punk old dudes rule this bunch.

SPECIAL PLACES IN HE!! FOR THEM! NO VERGINS BOYS! NO BOY’S GIRLS. NO GIRLS FOR GIRLS! IDIOT PUNK OLD DUDES ARE LOOSERS.

THE REST OF US WILL SHOOT IDIOT PUNKS NO MATTER HOW BABY FACE YOU ARE!


56 posted on 02/13/2009 6:51:36 AM PST by BellStar (Buy Gold/lead and head for the hills please God give us another chance!)
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To: hemogoblin

Hollyweird uses specially constructed weapons. They have a restriction inside the barrel so that gas pressure from the blanks is enough to cycle the action. This works like the blank firing adapters the military uses for training, but is internal rather than external. Additionally the blanks they use produce much more flash than regular loaded ammunition, or military type blanks. These are highly visible even in bright sunlight, let alone in the dark. More dramatic and photogenic don't ya know.

57 posted on 02/16/2009 10:39:55 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ChocChipCookie
I’m also interested to know just what caused the homeowner to see what was happening via the surveillance cameras. If we had those installed, I know I sure don’t have the time to be watching a monitor 24/7.

Either he "got lucky", or more likely he has motion detectors as well as cameras. I'd have the detectors tied not only to some kind of alarm or alert, but also to the recording capability. Although you could just have a first in first out recording scheme on a hard drive.

58 posted on 02/16/2009 10:42:59 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: from occupied ga
A shotgun, rifle or a handgun (9mm/.357/40)? Uzi

I think a compact weapon, but heavier than a pistol cartridge. Maybe a FN P90?

or it's big brother the FN F2000

Although due to the unconstitional National Firearms Act, you or I would probably have to settle for the longer barreled semi-auto versions.

59 posted on 02/16/2009 10:59:12 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Try again with that P90


60 posted on 02/16/2009 11:01:59 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

I suggested the Uzi because the recoil is controllable (and I purchased one several years ago and know this for a fact) Never having fired the FN I don’t know whether they climb (like an AK) or not. The prices have gotten ridiculous (as our massas in Kongress intended) for full auto weapons, and the best and newest are NOT available to anyone but the government’s own goons (again as out massas in Kongress intended). Generally full outo in light weapons with a rifle cartridge tend to be harder to control than full auto in weapons with a pistol cartridge


61 posted on 02/17/2009 3:51:18 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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62 posted on 02/27/2009 10:36:49 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (11 states are now considering concealed carry on campus. Join us. Visit ConcealedCampus.org for more)
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To: Pyro7480

Bookmark for later.


63 posted on 02/27/2009 10:38:09 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MrB

Wow, are you way behind the times.

Especially after the Connecticut home invasion/robbery/extortion/rape/immolation murders - you should NOT expect just a couple of people wandering in, one with an old revolver.


64 posted on 02/27/2009 10:41:12 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: dragnet2
Home surveillance cameras have come way down in price. I suggest everyone that can afford them get them.

Inside as well as outside with off site recording if at all possible.

Not only does it make you safer from the criminal element, it makes interactions with law enforcement much more agreeable and safe.
65 posted on 02/27/2009 10:42:09 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: Charles Martel

The Dallas cops I’ve talked to who did that cited liability and internal affairs reasons for doing that. Seems that if you get the whole affair on video when you have to open fire on an intruder and you did it by the book, it takes a *lot* less time for IA to clear you.

Home video surveillance systems are cheap enough now. You can put a decent one together for under $300 now or you can spend $500 and get a ridiculous number of cameras.


66 posted on 02/27/2009 10:47:37 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Can anyone imagine the outcome of this if the homeowner had not had a gun?

Sure can.

The victim is shot in the back as he tries to flee from the invaders, then paco, jose, miguel and luis can leisurely paw through his DVDs and coin collection without a worry in the world.

Thankfully this gentleman was willing to assume the responsibility of good citizenship, armed himself and shot first.
67 posted on 02/27/2009 10:48:40 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Wow! nice video, guess this “job” was a little over their “pay grade”


68 posted on 02/27/2009 10:50:59 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: G Larry

Um... you don’t take on a guy holding an automatic rifle with a pistol. You fire from cover and use your magazine capacity (you *did* remember to dump the revolver and buy a high capacity automatic, right?) to suppress the enemy from cover until and unless he gives you an opening.

Also notice that he probably got at least one of them, and looking at the windshield hit, I think the driver just ducked at the right time.


69 posted on 02/27/2009 10:52:53 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: School of Rational Thought
Wait, I have a gun in this locked box!

When you find the key, remember that you put the ammunition on the top shelf in the basement, behind the canned peaches.

"No Hurry -- the punks will wait," -- says the Brady Bunch.

70 posted on 02/28/2009 4:09:29 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (“In politics , stupidity is no handicap.” Napoleon)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Bumping your youtube link to TheArmedCitizen!
71 posted on 02/28/2009 4:59:10 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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To: Spktyr

Once I’ve fired and they’re fleeing, I’m shooting straight!

Based on the video, he fired several rounds as they retreated to the car.
THAT is when his aim should have been better.

Keep in mind, this is NOT the thought process I would share in any “debrief”.


72 posted on 02/28/2009 5:12:08 AM PST by G Larry (Obama's plan = "STEALING FROM THOSE WHO CREATE THE JOBS!")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
And that is why they prefer unarmed victims.

So does Obamassiah, we're all his victims and he wants us disarmed.

He was an antigun extremist, even for Chicago, before he started campaigning for a national office and no matter what he says now he is still a dedicated gungrabber of the first order. Gun confiscation is coming at some point in his term in office, or God forbid two terms. Count on it and try to prepare for it.

Don't tell ANYONE where your guns are stashed, there will probably be rewards offered for information and your friends may not be friends for long if a large sum of money is involved. Yeah I'm paranoid, there are way too many similarities between the grip Obamamessiah has on the minds of masses of Americans and Hitler's demonic-like hold on the minds of the German people when he came to power for me NOT to be paranoid..

73 posted on 02/28/2009 5:42:38 AM PST by epow (If God is your co-pilot, swap seats.)
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To: dragnet2
I have no idea. I have an old pellet gun, and don’t even know if it works.

If you ever want a gun you had best get it now while they are still available to private citizens. Buy a gun from a private party who doesn't know your name or where you live, because his guns will be traced to him if he bought from a licensed gun dealer but the trail ends with him if he doesn't know your real name.

Yeah I'm paranoid like I said in my previous post, but IMHO paranoia is justified when you have a demonically empowered "messiah" like Obama in power.

74 posted on 02/28/2009 5:51:03 AM PST by epow (If God is your co-pilot, swap seats.)
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To: OB1kNOb
The three other men are all described as Hispanic males between 17 and 25-years-old.

So what's the problem, they're just hard working immigrants doing crimes that Americans won't do.

75 posted on 02/28/2009 5:56:07 AM PST by epow (If God is your co-pilot, swap seats.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

The one that you have shot 1000 rounds through at the range, that is kept loaded and handy.


76 posted on 02/28/2009 7:14:14 AM PST by NonLinear ( If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.)
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To: G Larry

His two shot group on the windshield looked pretty tight to me.


77 posted on 02/28/2009 7:20:06 AM PST by NonLinear ( If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.)
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To: Spktyr
Seems that if you get the whole affair on video when you have to open fire on an intruder and you did it by the book, it takes a *lot* less time for IA to clear you.

Makes sense. Some insurers will also give you a homeowners' policy discount for adding a video system.

78 posted on 02/28/2009 7:39:41 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: NonLinear

fer cryin out loud.....

he had four large targets moving away from him, while he was shooting and missing.


79 posted on 02/28/2009 8:25:38 AM PST by G Larry (Obama's plan = "STEALING FROM THOSE WHO CREATE THE JOBS!")
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To: DTogo

Betcha they were “undocumented immigrants”,or whatever the he!! they call em now (oh,my bad...they call them 0bama supporters!!).....Good on ya, homeowner! Too bad you couldn’t take out a few of them.I noticed in the video not one of them even attempted to return fire. What morons!


80 posted on 02/28/2009 8:29:29 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("No pale pastels,but bold colors".....Ronnie,we sure do miss you,sir!)
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To: Pyro7480; gubamyster; HiJinx; Travis McGee

“One of them is carrying what appears to be an AR-15 or M-16, a weapon which could be fully automatic.

The robbery happened in broad daylight.

One of the suspects has been identified as 23-year-old Jesus Mendivil.

The three other men are all described as Hispanic males between 17 and 25-years-old.”
__________________________________

This is what ALL of us are up against, or soon will be if we don’t wake up....fully armed drug cartel thugs.....hiding in the shadows????LOL!


81 posted on 02/28/2009 8:44:11 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Obamageddon

Why, I woulda, shoulda, coulda, OUCH STOP SHOOTIN
82 posted on 02/28/2009 9:10:41 AM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: Red in Blue PA

In NJ, the homeowner would have been arrested for discharging a firearm, because there is no castle doctrine. And, the perps would have a valid claim to sue the homeowner because their civil rights were violated!


83 posted on 02/28/2009 9:42:28 AM PST by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (Great minds discuss ideas, medium minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Well, we don’t know the area from which the homeowner was firing. However, a nice Mossberg 590, staggered with slug and .00 throughout the magazine tube would in my opinion, serve as an effective deterrent.


84 posted on 02/28/2009 9:45:31 AM PST by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (Great minds discuss ideas, medium minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.)
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To: Drango
What ever happened to the neighborhood bake sale?

Well, it looks like at least some of the neighbors used their share of bake sale proceeds to arm themselves. :D

Next up: a charity car wash to raise money to pay for range time for the homeowner. Looks like he could use it.

85 posted on 02/28/2009 9:58:27 AM PST by mountainbunny
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To: AuntB
Is Tucson still in the United States?


86 posted on 02/28/2009 12:02:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: G Larry

Probably kept mentally shifting targets instead of neutralizing in order of acquisition.

If you look from one to another, you won’t hit any of them.

But it does take a lot of focus when the adrenaline is pumping.

Once he got down to a single target (the windshield) he did quite well.


87 posted on 02/28/2009 4:48:31 PM PST by NonLinear ( If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.)
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To: NonLinear

Bingo!

I’m just glad he was able to protect himself.

The real intent of my original comment was, “hey, if I’m ever in that position I hope I can be focused enough to hit my targets.”
If you haven’t been in that situation, you don’t really know.


88 posted on 03/01/2009 5:57:58 AM PST by G Larry (Obama's plan = "STEALING FROM THOSE WHO CREATE THE JOBS!")
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