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US lawmaker injects ISP throttle into Obama rescue package
The Register ^ | Feb 11, 2998 | Cade Metz

Posted on 02/12/2009 1:07:35 AM PST by Rennes Templar

US Senator Dianne Feinstein hopes to update President Barack Obama's $838bn economic stimulus package so that American ISPs can deter child pornography, copyright infringement, and other unlawful activity by way of "reasonable network management."

Clearly, a lobbyist whispering in Feinstein's ear has taken Comcast's now famous euphemism even further into the realm of nonsense.

According to Public Knowledge, Feinstein's network management amendment did not find a home in the stimulus bill that landed on the Senate floor. But lobbyists speaking with the Washington DC-based internet watchdog said that California's senior Senator is now hoping to insert this language via conference committee - a House-Senate pow-wow were bill disputes are resolved.

"This is the most backdoor of all the backdoor ways of doing things," Public Knowledge's Art Brodsky told The Reg. "Conference committees are notorious for being the most opaque of all legislative processes."

Obama's stimulus bill sets aside between $6bn and $9bn for expanding American broadband into rural areas, and Senator Feinstein hopes to (PDF) augment this Broadband Technology Opportunities Program so that it "allows for reasonable network management practices such as deterring unlawful activity, including child pornography and copyright infringement."

On one level, Obama's bill is an effort to boost the American economy. On another, it's an opportunity for lobbyists to make a mockery of American government.

According to Public Knowledge, the Motion Picture Association of America is behind Feinstein's language. The MPAA doesn't like copyright infringement. And you can bet the child pornography bit was tossed in for added effect.

But the "network management" bit sounds like ISP speak.

As Art Brodsky and his colleagues pointed out, network management is used to manage networks - not filter content. Content filters are used to filter content. But American ISPs - particularly cable ISPs - will take any excuse they can find to throttle certain traffic.

And if they're using copyright infringement and child porn as excuses, they'll have to start sniffing packets. So, Feinstein's amendment would also destroy net privacy - if there's any out there.

Word from Public Knowledge is that Congressman Henry Waxman will back Feinstein's amendment when it turns up in conference committee. Representing a district near Hollywood, Waxman has long backed the MPAA and the Recording Ass. of America in their efforts to crack down on P2P file sharing.


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrat; democrats; diannefeinstein; feinstein; henrywaxman; internet; isp; isps; lping; waxman
This stimulus bill is nothing more and nothing less than a means to finance Goerge Orwells' novel into reality.
1 posted on 02/12/2009 1:07:35 AM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: Rennes Templar
And if they're using copyright infringement and child porn as excuses, they'll have to start sniffing packets. So, Feinstein's amendment would also destroy net privacy - if there's any out there.

And Democrats were all up in arms to protest against eavesdropping overseas phone calls between terrorists.

2 posted on 02/12/2009 1:14:02 AM PST by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: Central Planning Czar)
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To: Rennes Templar

It’s a friggen spending free for all.

They should have just given everyone $500 a month to spend (or lose, ie not save) for 6 months.


3 posted on 02/12/2009 1:14:10 AM PST by This_far
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To: Rennes Templar

“...such as deterring unlawful activity....”

Which will no doubt include making sure that the “Fairness” Doctrine is followed on the internet as well. Obama and his minions are getting their stinky hands into everything while they can.

Hey - did anyone see Mrs. O on that magazine cover? Very nice!

(Ha! They can’t delete THIS post! What with me being fair and all.)


4 posted on 02/12/2009 1:31:15 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: Rennes Templar

This bailout is the gift that keeps on giving.


5 posted on 02/12/2009 1:32:45 AM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Rennes Templar
Feinstein knows about as much about “reasonable network management” as I know about micro surgical techniques for repairing ruptured capillaries in the brain following a cerebral hemorrhage, nothing like being in the pocket of Comcast, eh Dianne?
6 posted on 02/12/2009 1:40:52 AM PST by mkjessup (You are either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE dammit!)
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To: All

The Liberals will...

...ARE...

...using the economic “crisis’ to forward every Liberal agenda item they can possibly get away with.

They do not care even a little bit what you think.

What’s YOUR next move...General?


7 posted on 02/12/2009 2:05:07 AM PST by jeffers
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To: FoxInSocks
Great point. Now we just have to get the same folks who were aghast at the so-called wiretapping–shades of Nixon—aghast in the same way at this.
8 posted on 02/12/2009 2:50:06 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Rennes Templar

This is nothing more than a more clandestine way of spending. The money will go to certain ISPs (Google, etc), who will say they are spending it on monitoring technology. Then someone sues based on free speach issues. The ISP will be ordered by the court to stop their monitoring development (which they never really started) and the ISPs keep the money anyway. See?


9 posted on 02/12/2009 4:20:35 AM PST by ByteMercenary
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To: ShadowAce; bamahead

Seems it’s always over a terrible thing when I have to ping both of you guys to the same thread...


10 posted on 02/12/2009 4:45:52 AM PST by KoRn
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To: Rennes Templar; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ..

11 posted on 02/12/2009 5:21:57 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Rennes Templar

Dan White’s greatest crime was launching Diane Feinstein’s political career.


12 posted on 02/12/2009 5:42:48 AM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: KoRn; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
On one level, Obama's bill is an effort to boost the American economy. On another, it's an opportunity for lobbyists to make a mockery of American government.



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
13 posted on 02/12/2009 6:02:06 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: KoRn; ShadowAce

But it’s for the chiiiiiiildren!


14 posted on 02/12/2009 6:04:47 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Rennes Templar

“Never let a crisis go to waste”

Do we get subsidized sex changes yet? Add some variety to the non-stop government taxpayer effing.


15 posted on 02/12/2009 6:11:57 AM PST by M203M4 (Bill Kristol: Piltdown conservative)
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To: M203M4
If we read through all 700 pages of this “stimulus” it's probably already in there.

If not, there are many future legislative sessions to come, and Geithner/Goebbels has yet to introduce his 1.5 Trillion dollar bail-out extension to enhance the first one that somehow recently vanished.

16 posted on 02/12/2009 6:16:11 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: Rennes Templar

17 posted on 02/12/2009 6:36:18 AM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: ByteMercenary
The ISP will be ordered by the court to stop their monitoring development (which they never really started)

It would be nice if it was just a rip-off, but Google was doing this sort of stuff in China, and ECHELON and CARNIVORE have been monitoring communications for years.

Now, they will be monitoring for 'counterrevolutionaries' here.

18 posted on 02/12/2009 6:37:30 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Rennes Templar

So now ISP’s are to be cops, too?


19 posted on 02/12/2009 6:38:23 AM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Now, they will be monitoring for ‘counterrevolutionaries’ here”

You can make a SURE bet that many of us here are already on a leftists “Enemies List”, somewhere.

DARING to speak out against liberal Fascism on the internet has already led to some interesting confrontations with hate-filled liberals in real life for me.


20 posted on 02/12/2009 6:51:35 AM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: FoxInSocks
And Democrats were all up in arms to protest against eavesdropping overseas phone calls between terrorists.

That's different. There was a national interest with that, therefore it is eeeeeevil. Checking for teenagers downloading the latest album is about campaign contributors' interests and is therefore vital.

For example, see the Dems reactions to attacking Iraq (important national interests) vs attacking Serbia (no national interest).

< / cynicism rather than sarcasm>

21 posted on 02/12/2009 7:40:04 AM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: ByteMercenary
The various combined telephone/cable/internet companies have been itching for a legal way of examining every packet to shut down competitive services. They would love to kill web based phones (except for their own), movie rentals (except for their own) and television streaming (except for their own). If they are required by law to look inside the packets to figure if they are copyrighted or pornographic, then it is a small step to see if they are a competative service and just "happen to lose" half the packets.
22 posted on 02/12/2009 7:43:52 AM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: Rennes Templar

Censorship is OK as long as the Dims are doing it. /sarc


23 posted on 02/12/2009 7:48:50 AM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Rennes Templar

I wonder how all of those idiots at Slashdot feel now?


24 posted on 02/12/2009 8:04:16 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

If it comes to happen they will blame “right-wingers” dontcha know. They will proclaim their love of Big Borther even as they wait in their cells for execution.


25 posted on 02/12/2009 8:54:13 AM PST by fnord (There's a reason we don't often hear about a Michelob deal gone bad.)
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To: Rennes Templar

First of all, I have family living in Bucksnort Junction, South Dakota. It doesn’t get anymore rural than this, and they have broadband. Where, exactly, will 6 to 8 billion take broadband that it already isn’t??


26 posted on 02/12/2009 9:30:00 AM PST by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: SoDak

I’m pretty rural here in Montana too and seems everyone has it around here. Me thinks they have another agenda with this money....


27 posted on 02/12/2009 11:03:42 AM PST by Rennes Templar (The Messiah and the Religion of Fleece)
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To: tcrlaf
You can make a SURE bet that many of us here are already on a leftists “Enemies List”, somewhere.

I was probably on one long before I found Free Republic. Local conservative folks, even LEOs agreed with me on firearm and other issues back then, but I have been at loggerheads with those at the Federal Level for some time.

28 posted on 02/12/2009 8:49:58 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SoDak
Where, exactly, will 6 to 8 billion take broadband that it already isn’t??

To the people who do not want to shell out for it? Like digital TV, it will be imposed. When you are on dial-up and you have horribly low bandwidth, anything which is sucking up your bandwidth is noticeable in the performance of the link.

Usually, I just pull the plug and re-connect If I cannot account for the lack of performance, because anything is pretty well noticeable.

Impose universal broadband, and now 'they' (whomever) will be able to hack away at anyone not running a firewall, presuming they cannot defeat that, and not cause bandwidth performance degredation that is readily evident.

29 posted on 02/12/2009 8:56:00 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: This_far; SLB
Is it too late to suggest some ideas for the stimulus package? I can come up with all sorts of great ways to help boost the economy.

The first would involve giving a rifle and five hundred rounds of ammo to every adult in the country. Just think of all the jobs this would create, not only at the firearms and ammo production facilities, but the gunsmiths who would be kept busy with replacing worn-out parts and installing all sorts of neat upgrades (scopes, night-scopes, grenade launchers, etc) as well as the people who work at the gun ranges all around the country.

Or how about financing the fence along the border between the US and Mexico. Just think of all the jobs that would be created, not just among the construction workers at the border, but at the steel mills and factories that produce the fencing, at the quarries and concrete factories that will produce the gravel and concrete, and the hundreds of maintenance personnel who will be employed long into the future to help keep the fence in good repair.

See, if the right things were included, the stimulus package might not be that bad of a deal. ;-)

30 posted on 02/12/2009 9:08:05 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (We failed, but in the good providence of God apparent failure often proves a blessing.-Robert E.Lee)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

“See, if the right things were included, the stimulus package might not be that bad of a deal. ;-)”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2183855/posts

Post #3

(we have similar thoughts)


31 posted on 02/12/2009 9:51:31 PM PST by This_far
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To: This_far

An M-1 Garand wouldn't be a bad idea. As far as ruggedness and durability go, it is hard to beat a Garand.

Here are some others.

The Springfield Arms M-1A, the semi-auto version of the M-14 (although the M-14 wouldn't be too bad of an idea either), which has seen some action in Iraq and Afghanistan as a sniper rifle, gives you the ability to reach out and touch someone.

The Galil Golani, named after the IDF's famed Golani Brigade, is produced in the US by Century Arms and comes with a side-folding stock and a 35-round magazine.

32 posted on 02/12/2009 10:31:39 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (We failed, but in the good providence of God apparent failure often proves a blessing.-Robert E.Lee)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

“An M-1 Garand wouldn’t be a bad idea”

Thank you. Another bookmark.

(until I get my stimulus ‘check’, the $13 extra per month won’t help, I’ll still continue to build up my stock of stones for my slingshot before surgical rubber is regulated)

Ironic that 0 and Libs have stimulated arms sales without any appropriations isn’t it?


33 posted on 02/12/2009 11:13:19 PM PST by This_far
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