Skip to comments.Gun Owners Association Larry Pratt concerned about Atty. Gen. Eric Holder
Posted on 02/12/2009 12:26:55 PM PST by patriotgal1787
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Own a gun? You're probably among most gun owners who are concerned about what the Barack Obama presidency will mean for our 2nd Amendment protections.
Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America (GOA), shares your concern. Of particular interest is Eric Holder, Barack Obamas choice for Attorney General. Pratt does not consider Holder to be in support of the second amendment.
"The President's choice for U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder, is an anti-gun extremist who has assailed gun owners since his days in the Bill Clinton administration."BANG!
Holder (Dep. Atty. Gen.-1997-2001) supports a 3-day waiting period for handgun purchases, one-gun-a-month rationing, licensing and registration of all gun owners, mandatory so-called smart gun technology, a lifetime gun ban for certain juvenile offenses and regulating gun shows out of existence.
In 2000, Holder was instrumental in the Clinton Administration's effort to strong-arm firearms manufacturers into voluntarily accepting regulations that had stalled in the Congress.
In a brazen legislation-by-extortion plot, the federal government filed suit against gun makers but offered to drop the suit if the companies would bow to the administration's demands.
GOA and its members took the lead in opposing Holder and the Clinton Administration and slowed down implementation of the agreement until it completely went away when Clinton left office.
One company went along with the deal but after intense pressure from gun owners, no others joined the unholy alliance.
After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, in an op-ed in the Washington Post, Holder pushed for more gun control and greater restrictions on gun shows, even though the terrorists were armed with box cutters that could be purchased at any hardware store.
Holder joined Janet Reno and 11 other former Justice Department officials in an amicus brief before the Supreme Court arguing in favor of the gun ban in Washington D.C.
The Holder/Reno brief also took the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective government right, not an individual right.
One day into the 111th session of Congress was all it took for Illinois Democrat and former Black Panther, Bobby Rush, to take a run on a new measure of gun control. Problem is, quite a few dont like the languagein particular, the part about anyone wishing to purchase, own or possess a qualifying firearm would have to be licensed by the state or the federal government in a licensing program managed by the Attorney General. Placing our Bill of Rights in the hands of one man.
With an eye on the bills details that require redundant personal identification, a release of personal health records to the Attorney General and other unnecessary, intrusive measures, Pratt and other gun rights proponents find it a harsh pill to swallow, and a disturbing political double standard that shows a government more preoccupied with its own citizens than foreign enemies.
The bills mandate requires gun owners apply for a federal firearms I.D. card.
A so-called encoded ammunition or serialized ammunition bills would require ammunition manufacturers to engrave a serial number on the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round of ammunition for popular sporting caliber center-fire rifles, all center-fire pistols, all .22 rimfire rifles and pistols, and all 12 gauge shotguns. In all but one of the bills, people would be required to forfeit all personally owned non-encoded ammunition. After a certain date, it would be illegal to possess non-encoded ammunition. Reloading would be rendered illegal.
People would be required to separately register every box of encoded ammunition and the registration would be supplied to the police. Each box of ammunition would have a unique serial number, thus a separate registration. Gun owners would have to maintain records if they sell ammunition to anyone, including family members or friends. The cost of ammunition would soar, for police and private citizens alike. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute estimates it would take three weeks to produce ammunition currently produced in a single day. A tax of five cents a round would be imposed on private citizens, not only upon initial sale, but every time the ammunition changes hands thereafter.
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Larry Pratt has been Executive Director of Gun Owners of America for 30 years. GOA is a national membership organization of 300,000 Americans dedicated to promoting their second amendment freedom to keep and bear arms.
GOA lobbies for the pro-gun position in Washington and is involved in firearm issues in the states. GOAs work includes providing legal assistance to those involved in lawsuits with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the federal firearms law enforcement agency.
Pratt has appeared on numerous national radio and TV programs such as NBCs Today Show, CBS Good Morning America, CNNs Crossfire and Larry King Live, Foxs Hannity & Colmes, MSNBCs Phil Donahue and Dan Abrams show and many others. His columns have appeared in newspapers across the country.
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Try and take my guns...go ahead!
I will honor the 2nd Amendment, regardless of what the Nazis do. When it comes to fascist tyrants, the only right thing to do is resist them.
If you think it time to “Bury ‘em”....
It is really time to “Dig Them UP”!!!!
Yes, yes, we know. But what are we going to do about it?
Response: He should be.
Key word there are Stand together.
It works for the Alinsky types. It should work for us as well. Get active locally. Network. Find others you can count on if the S truly HTF.
Prep. Practice. Gear up. Pray. Sacrifice chickens. Whatever you feel you need to do. Get it done now because if things do get hairy, it's gonna happen fast.
And that’s where it ends. The goa won’t do a thing about it.
Exactly, just remember what happened in (the former) Great Britain and Australia when their citizens did not fight for their Gun Rights... They lost them, and once they have been taken they are almost impossible to get back!
So get into the fight Join the GOA, NRA and your State and Local Gun Rights Groups... Now before its to late!
Oh, and the NRA will? We need all hands in this battle not just the ones you like!
Yep, Alarm and Muster... the movement is growing rapidly!
Demand more from the goa such as the lawsuits against Chicago, Oak Park and Evanston.
Demand they do more for gunrange protection.
Demand they join the fight with lawsuits against the anti’s.
Demand they act more like the Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA or else you’re just wasting your money.
No disrespect intended but you might also want to place most of those demands on the frigging NRA, You know as well as I that over the years they have become lackluster at best! They stepped aside during the Heller battle while the GOA filed briefs in his and the 2As defense, the GOA has TIMELY activism emails and letters...
I held an NRA membership through my entire military career, but after I saw what they were doing... making backroom deals with politicians to water down legislation just to get something passed, I left!
The NRA (for now) has about quadruple the membership and funds of the GOA but are they throwing the bulk of that power directly into a lot of the battles happening, no they would rather do organizational fund raising, hold shooting matches, seminars and send out rifleman magazines.
I dropped the NRA years ago do to their politicization of a lot of 2A issues, instead of FIGHTING for the 2A they were making back rooms deals and watering down critical legislation, I joined the GOA and have been extremely happy with their performance and actions to date.
The ONLY reason I am rejoining the NRA is hopefully we can clean the organization out and again have a group that gets up and fights for our rights instead of holding frigging gun matches and seminars!
WE need all hands in this battle, so you can play the petty “who’s the better gun rights group” POLITICS or you can welcome all of the many other 2A groups into the fray and kick some butt!
I Actually think a lot of this GOA vs NRA tension comes directly from the NRA as they have watched their base whittle away over the years do to their inaction and refusal to take on the tough fights...
When some one is stepping on you toes and calling you out for your bad moves, you can either fight back or back away and do name calling which is what the NRA and its members have been doing for awhile now.
As I said we need all hands in the upcoming battles, so I think the opposing groups need to take a “chill pill” and lets get on with it!
Uh... should have been “your toes”... oops ;-)
By the way, just got a email from our State/Local 2A group (GeorgiaCarry.org) and our membership has jumped by over FOUR HUNDRED in three weeks!
If you do not promptly declare all “unregistered” guns, you will become a criminal. After that, you will pay an upfront annual “tax” per gun, on all the guns you own.
You will also be required to qualify for a Federal License to own and possess firearms, pass mental tests, your medical records will be evaluated, and no license will be issued until you meet the Federal standards for owning firearms.
The annual licensing fee will also be quite high as will the tax on all ammunition and future firearm purchases. Some say as high as 400% the cost of the firearm.)
And this Attorney General has been given the power to impose these “Regulations” without Congressional approval from what I understand.
The NRA didn’t want Levy to continue because we would have lost due to the number of antiRights Justices at the time.
The goa was the only gun group that asked the court to take the narrow view so we would be faced with 20,000 court cases getting rid of 20,000 gun laws. Thanks for nothing, goa.
The NRA and the SAF filed five lawsuits immediately after Heller. San Francisco, Morton Grove, Winnetka and Wilmette no longer have gun bans. Thanks for nothing, goa.
The Katrina victims needed a lawsuit and the SAF and the NRA were there. Thanks for nothing, goa.
The goa has never accomplished a single thing in their existance and the member seem to be ok with that. Thanks for nothing, goa members.
NO goa MEMBER HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO TELL ME WHAT THE goa HAS EVER ACCOMPLISHED ON THEIR OWN.
This anti NRA movement started with a website supported by the goa. It’s founding member was thrown in jail for having an unregistered gun in an antigun state. The irony here is the NRA has legal assistance. The goa doesn’t.
Anyone thinking the NRA doesn’t do anything doesn’t pay attention to this website.
If you’re a member of the goa, ask them what they have ever done on their own and prove me wrong.
Yeah, that's what I want... "Sunny Day" NRA warriors! We could go at this all day long...
The NRA and the SAF filed five lawsuits immediately after Heller.
Yes of course they did, notice your key words... AFTER Heller was won, what a bunch of "fair weather" wussies
What they are saying about Gun Owners of America @ http://gunowners.org/
"Let me reiterate, once more, my deep appreciation for the tremendous job being done by Gun Owners of America in the battle to defend America's right to keep and bear arms. There is no question that without GOA, American gun rights would be in even greater peril today." -Jesse Helms U.S. Senator, North Carolina
"I hope you will work with Gun Owners of America to make sure that your voice is heard in Washington." -Lamar Smith U.S. Congressman, Texas
"Gun Owners of America is the pit bull of the Second Amendment. They are relentless and never give any ground whatsoever to the gun grabbers." -John Hostettler U.S. Congressman, Indiana
"It's been a long time since someone has been on the side of those who believe in the right to own a gun. I support GOA and urge all gun owners to join in their efforts." -John Milius Producer, Movie "Red Dawn"
"I commend GOA members for their staunch support of the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens." -Virgil Goode U.S. Congressman, Virginia
"The GOA's e-mail and fax grassroots network has become extremely effective. GOA was the most important organization behind the failure in the last two Congresses of Senator Orrin Hatch's [gun control] bill to federalize much of the juvenile justice system." -Dave Kopel National Review online
"GOA is the only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington." -Ron Paul U.S. Congressman, Texas
"Be a real American Warrior for gun rights & freedom. Join GOA & sign up as many members as you can." -Ted Nugent Rock star
"Gun Owners of America is considered the most aggressive pro-gun lobbying organization." -Roll Call the newspaper of record on Capitol Hill
The goa has never done a single thing on their own. Prove me wrong by explaining just what they have ever accomplished on their own in their entire history.
Bwaaaa...You still harping on that one! geez man, do you know how pitiful your argument sounds? If you spent as much time trying to straighten out the NRA leaderships direction as you do crying about who is taking the lead or who spending the most money and resources, then you and other NRA members might be able to start making an impact on CURRENT events instead of whining about the GOA beating the crap out of the NRA.
With the GOA, I've been involved in every battle you have mentioned so far... from Katrina and Heller to the current state and local 2A fights.. who frigging cares about who takes the lead in these battles as long as they are happening... The NRA has a much larger budget and membership (for now), so they can and should take the lead. The GOA is more of a grassroots activist type group, but we are all working towards the same end.
With people like you playing politics with the 2A battles... we are gonna lose, so stop playing sides and fight for the same result!
So you admit the goa has never done a single thing in their entire existance. They did nothing for the Katrina victims and nothing for Heller except screw the gunowners by asking for a narrow view.
It’s talk and BS with you. I want results like the NRA has with the end of the handgun bans in Morton Grove, San Francisco, Winnetka and Wilmette. Thank you, NRA.
Thanks for nothing, goa.
Bwaaaa... Read my last post again and keep crying... the rest of us have a fight to win... I’m actually glad we had this “discussion” as many people drop by to read such posts, and they can now see why the NRA has been losing membership...
In the past I've found that when someone starts getting into personal attacks, they are usually on the losing end of an argument.
Tell you what Shooter 2.5, I thought about this discussion last night, Here’s how to take care of your misconceptions about the GOA. I like to give the benefit of a doubt to people... you and I have talked about items in the past mainly weapons and reloading and I believe you’re a reasonable guy.
BUT I think you didn’t actually read a damn word of my previous posts and you’re either listening to people who don’t know squat about the GOA or you’ve just been reading a bunch of NRA propaganda crap whining about the GOA’s actions.
I happen to be a Life Member of the GOA, and as I said before, I was a member of the NRA through-out my military career (attaining a NRA rating of expert in Highpower rifle by the way). Although I dropped my NRA membership many years ago I still get their email alerts, as a matter of fact I get 2A alerts from MANY different groups and organizations.
So here’s my challenge to you and any other NRA members out there, you don’t have to join the GOA to get on their email action list, so sign up for the alerts... give it maybe six months (geez, with the Obama admin six weeks will probably suffice) and we can meet back here and discuss what the GOA does compared to the NRA!
If you do this honestly, I think you will find the both groups are comparable, although as I said before, the two groups have slightly differing missions... NRA=Corporate based Activism vs GOA=Grassroots based Activism).
Doing this won’t cost any of you a dime and IMHO you guys won’t look like idiots trying to compare the NRA to the GOA in the future.
We are in fight this together... No we MUST be in this fight together, or WE WILL ALL LOSE!
So any takers out there?
I already get their alerts for some reason.
I have also asked Freepers for the last five years since that website started attacking the NRA just what the goa has ever done. So far no goa member has ever answered the question what the goa has ever accomplished on their own.
I have asked what the goa has ever done when they started their so-called no compromise motto. So far, no goa member has ever answered what the goa has ever accomplished on their own.
I have asked goa members while they attack the NRA just what the goa has ever done on their own. No answer.
I asked you. No answer.
A truly pathetic reply given the info I have supplied so far... have a good life and just keep drinking that NRA kool-aid...
For a NRA member to be asked what the NRA has ever done just has to read a few threads right here on Free Republic. The NRA filed a lawsuit against Morton Grove and four other communities. Morton Grove was the first in the nation to have a handgun ban.
Because of the NRA lawsuit, Morton Grove no longer has a handgun ban.
I asked you a simple question.
What has the goa ever done in their entire existance for gunowners. You never answered that question.
I’ll answer it. Nothing. For all the money the members give to the goa. The goa has never filed a lawsuit to end a gun ban.
They didn’t do anything for the Katrina victims.
They never did a thing to file a lawsuit against employees firing employees.
They don’t lift a finger to end antigun legislation.
Even the Second Amendment Foundation has a better track record than the goa.
Even the smallest group such as the Second Amendment Sisters have classes to teach women shooters to defend themselves. The goa does nothing.
I asked you want the goa has ever done. The lack of an answer clearly shows the goa takes your money and does nothing.
goa = AWOL
Now you are again being completely untruthful... that would mean you are lying.. you know it and I know it now, guess my first impression of you was wrong.
You do not know what you are talking about, and I doubt you get such alerts from the GOA as you claim (give me the last 4-5, or I’ll make it easy for you how about the last one issued a few days ago...).
Pretty much every piece of legislation you just mentioned was an action alert sent to and acted on by GOA members...
So again keep drinking the NRA Kool-aid.
The emails are forwarded from a member in Montana to me.
And I know the goa still has never accomplished a thing in their entire existence because YOU still can’t post a single thing.
Oh Yes, of course they are... I expected as much... and you continue the dance...
Sorry for the earlier outburst, when dealing with slow or uninformed posters, I too can sometimes get carried away.
I went through the posts again and noted that you keep ignoring or mis-representing statements... as usual. But I will write more slowly now so you can keep up... Ready?
Although I expected a fellow Texan to be able to carry on a cohesive discussion, I'll put it in separate sentences so you can easily follow...
The NRA and the GOA are two different TYPES of Second Amendment Groups... Are you keeping up, OK now, here is the second part...
The NRA is a CORPORATE Activist Group... and the GOA is a GRASSROOTS Activist Group... are you still following me? if not I can write a little slower...
Now to answer your question... Again I'll do it sloooowly for you... as you know or probably not know... you can not PROVE a negative, now that's a big word but try to keep up...
Since the GOA's main job is getting its members (and other 2A activists) to email or write their representatives to battle specific Anti-Second Amendment Laws or Bills, it is difficult to gauge the groups impact on legislation, since most are defeated by not only the GOA's actions but also many other groups fighting the same legislation.
But as you read from the previous post listing the Senators, Representatives and other activists, the GOA is making a a huge impact, albeit in a different way from the NRA.
Now hopefully I typed slow enough for you to keep up, but if not just keep re-reading the posts and it might come to you... although I'm not holding my breath! because once a partisan always a partisan.
Isn't the NRA's kool-aid just delicious... oops another big word... it means yummy!?
For future reference I have not only bookmarked the thread but also made a back up copy as I hate partisan hacks that throw around unsubstantiated comments and remarks... people putting out these types of comments need to be called out on 'em!
We need all hands in the upcoming battles, so either we stand together on the 2A or it falls and as a result our Republic falls.
And again I urge everyone to join not only the GOA and NRA but also their State/Local Gun Rights Group!
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