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Likud ready to meet Lieberman's demands on unions, conversion
Jerusalem Post ^ | 2/12/09 | GIL HOFFMAN

Posted on 02/12/2009 10:28:28 PM PST by Nachum

The Likud is confident it can meet the two demands on which Israel Beiteinu leader Avigdor Lieberman has conditioned recommending that President Shimon Peres designate Likud chairman Binyamin Netanyahu to be the next prime minister, Likud officials said Thursday.

The Jerusalem Post reported exclusively Thursday that Lieberman was ready to endorse Netanyahu rather than Kadima leader Tzipi Livni, provided that Netanyahu pledged to push through his demands for civil unions and an eased conversion process, but that if those two demands were not met, he would back Livni.

Lieberman is also seeking to be appointed defense minister or finance minister, wants Daniel Friedmann to stay in the justice portfolio, strongly advocates electoral reform and wants the next coalition committed to toppling Hamas in Gaza. But those demands are not an absolute precondition for him backing Netanyahu.

While the issues of civil unions and conversion could derail coalition-building due to Shas's objections, Likud officials said they were sure they could bridge the gaps between Israel Beiteinu and the haredim in order to allow them to both join a coalition under Netanyahu.

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"There are ways to mediate between Shas and Israel Beiteinu on these issues and Neeman is the best man to do it," Likud MK Yuli Edelstein said. "Israel Beiteinu must act wisely on civil unions. We aren't in a campaign anymore and we have to work to find a common denominator. If Lieberman wants Tzipi we can't stop him, but if he wants Netanyahu there are ways to bridge the gaps."

Netanyahu addresses supporters at the Likud election headquarters in Tel Aviv on Tuesday. Photo: AP

In an effort to prevent Netanyahu from obtaining the support of a majority of the legislature before Peres begins consultations with the Knesset factions, Kadima sent former Shas chairman Arye Deri to Lieberman on Wednesday, asking him to allow Livni to form a government instead.

"Bibi is the same old liar he always was," Deri told Lieberman, according to Kadima officials. "He won't keep his promises on civil unions."

Vice Premier Haim Ramon, who heads Kadima's negotiating team, met with his Israel Beiteinu counterpart, MK Stas Meseznikov, on Thursday and gave him the impression that no portfolio was off limits for Lieberman, despite the multiple ongoing criminal investigations against him.

He also agreed to Lieberman's demands on civil unions and conversion.

"Our views on the civil agenda, including civil marriage and conversion, are virtually identical," Kadima MK Yohanan Plesner said. "We have an obligation to hundreds of thousands of Kadima voters who want an immediate change in the electoral system and in the registration of couples."

Meseznikov told Ramon that Israel Beiteinu was unwilling to compromise with Shas on civil unions in order to allow a right-wing coalition to be formed.

Meseznikov said after the meeting that he issued demands to both Likud and Kadima regarding the next coalition's guidelines and he was waiting for detailed responses in hopes of a government being formed as soon as possible.

Coalition negotiations will begin in earnest next Wednesday, after the official results of the election are published in the government registry. The Central Elections Committee announced on Thursday that after counting some 180,000 votes from soldiers, prisoners, emissaries, the handicapped and the hospitalized, there had been no change in the mandates received by the parties, and Kadima had still beaten Likud by one seat, 28 to 27.

After it became clear that the Likud did not gain a seat from the soldiers as it had hoped, Kadima issued a statement saying that as the largest party, it should form a national-unity government and the Likud should join it.

"Now that it is clear that Kadima won the race, Bibi and the Likud hacks must stop trying to steal the premiership," the statement said.

The Likud called Kadima's statement pathetic and accused the party of being detached from reality. The Likud added that Livni's commitment to forming a national-unity government would be tested after Peres asked Netanyahu to form a government.

The Post reported Thursday that, despite public statements to the contrary by Kadima leaders, a consensus was developing in Likud and Kadima that they would be able to form a government together under Netanyahu's leadership on the basis of equality between the two parties.

According to the scenario, the Likud would give Kadima the same number of ministries as the Likud, including two of the top four cabinet positions. The Likud would retain the premiership and the Treasury, while Kadima could be given the Foreign and Defense ministries.

Some Likud MKs privately expressed opposition to Kadima joining the government, both for ideological and personal political reasons. They admitted that they would prefer a narrow government in which the Likud controlled the top portfolios and would receive more ministries.

But the only Likud MK in the incoming Knesset who would say as much on the record was Danny Danon. "Kadima should be allowed to disintegrate in the opposition," he said.

At a meeting of the incoming Likud MKs on Wednesday, the entire faction endorsed Netanyahu's decision to try to form a government with the 65 lawmakers on the Right, before negotiating with Kadima.

Likud officials said parties on the Right could be given certain portfolios but told that if Kadima joined the coalition, they would have to relinquish them.

"It's not worth the risk of losing a coalition with the Right for a possibility with Kadima that might not happen," Edelstein said. "Better a narrow coalition in the hand than a coalition with Kadima on the tree."

Netanyahu met Thursday with the heads of the two religious-Zionist parties, National Union and Habayit Hayehudi. The National Union played hard to get, saying it would not recommend to Peres that Netanyahu form the government if he would include Kadima in his coalition.

"We are not in anyone's pocket," National Union leader Yaakov Katz said.

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: demands; lieberman; likud; ready

1 posted on 02/12/2009 10:28:28 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

I don’t think Lieberman’s position has been argued over much in this...........he will agree with BeBe on a government. Zipi (sic) is better than the Labor’s attempt but Israel has voted right in a serious way.

2 posted on 02/12/2009 10:35:22 PM PST by JoenTX (do it)
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To: Nachum
I think it will be a government of the Right. But the haredi won't go along with civil marriage. A possible compromise would be to allow it to be brought up subject to a free vote. I don't think it will go anywhere but electoral reform I think, is in the cards.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 02/12/2009 10:46:08 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nachum
"Bibi is the same old liar he always was," Deri told Lieberman, according to Kadima officials. "He won't keep his promises on civil unions."

That's alrighty with me. Go Bibi !

4 posted on 02/12/2009 10:51:40 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (May Obama go the way of my ex-governor Blagojevich.-- and soon!)
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To: Nachum

What are your thoughts, my friend???

5 posted on 02/12/2009 10:56:22 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Nachum
provided that Netanyahu pledged to push through his demands for civil unions and an eased conversion process

Israel is under threat of annihilation with little help likely from America and their libs are concerned about civil unions?

These people are stark raving lunatics.

6 posted on 02/12/2009 11:18:03 PM PST by TheThinker (Shame and guilt mongering is the Left's favorite tool of control.)
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To: Nachum

Israel has a fighting chance with Bibi. IMO, even better with Lieberman. If Kadima/Livni gets it, I fear the next sound will be Zippy Tzipi flushing Israel down the commode.

7 posted on 02/13/2009 4:17:09 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies - C.S. Lewis)
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8 posted on 02/13/2009 5:47:13 AM PST by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targeted…no guarantee…they’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: Nachum

“Lieberman is also seeking to be appointed defense minister or finance minister, wants Daniel Friedmann to stay in the justice portfolio”

Friedman is important to get their judiciary under control. He wants to cede power to the legislature and stop the court from making military decisions..

Barak should get defense. He did a great job in Gaza. The pullout was not his decision. He has stated he will not work for a Kadima led coalition.

Electoral reform is urgent. Their political system is so fractious nothing ever gets done.

9 posted on 02/13/2009 6:19:54 AM PST by dervish (speechless, tagless, sick over porkulus)
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To: TheThinker
Not so fast. Its much more complicated.

Israeli right of return was designed to mirror the Nazi racial laws. If Nazis considered a Jew anybody with one! Jewish grandparent, the same was applied for persecuted Jews anywhere in the world as their birth-right to immigrate to Israel.

It clashes with Halakah laws stating that Jewishness is transferred through mother. In extreme: if your maternal grandmother was not Jewish, and all other 3 grandparents were Jews, you are not.

As Mark Steyn recently, and so many others noted - demography is destiny. It was in Israel's interest for decades to invite all people with Jewish connection to immigrate.

So, now they have a built-in contradiction: there are many people there who were qualified to be Jews to immigrate and are not qualified to be Jews to marry. Realistically speaking, many newcomers from the former Soviet Union that came in after it collapse were looking more to escape economic hardship of the disintegrated USSR than pursuing their nationalism. But all said, they are there. What do you do with them now - alienate or integrate? (Make them like that rioting youths in Paris- 2nd and 3rd generation unabsorbed nobodies?) They get full voting rights, serve in Army, but can't marry a Jewish girl? There is of course all different scum that came with the last wave, but scum is scum, you deal with it as you deal with scum. What do you do with hundreds thousands of non-halakahial "jews"? Conversion to Judaism in Israel can be only through orthodox giur - a very difficult process. What if one is not religious enough to be an orthodox?

Imagine that in US there would be no secular marriage process, and you have problem to find a priest to marry a catholic with protestant? Or if your bride is not religious enough for your minister? Does not matter how religious you are, there is always someone who is more.

They, as society, need to find the line in-between maintaining the Jewish character of the society and solving this contradiction.

Note that Beytenu party ("Israel is our home" ) is a nationalist secular party. Likud and Kadima are also secular parties. As GOP here. Beytenu maybe anti-clerical, but no way anti-religious. Shas - the biggest rival of Beytenu on this subject - is a sectarian religious party of Sephardim. 

Speaking about demographic problems - another part of Beytenu program is to have population exchange - seed control (give it to PA) Arab towns that are within Israeli proper in exchange for Jewish towns in Judea and Samaria. btw, Lieberman himself lives in a settlement.

10 posted on 02/13/2009 7:27:31 AM PST by Tolik
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To: BlackElk
Hey BlackElk,

It is definately a swing to the right for the country. I was just there (for the first time) just before Castlead.

Netanyahu has been there before though. He went back on a lot of the things he promised the religeous people who voted for him the first time. I expect a lot of tough talk, but not much change.

11 posted on 02/13/2009 7:51:17 AM PST by Nachum (Obama theme song: Ball of Confusion by the Temptations)
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