Skip to comments.Poll to FREEP: Is Abraham Lincoln a Great President or the Greatest President?
Posted on 02/12/2009 11:05:42 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
Abraham Lincoln ...
Great president 46.6% Greatest president 53.4%
He started from scratch as President, didn't have anyone to learn from and was one of the founders in drafting the Declaration and organizing a government under the constitution.
He then served 2 terms and left setting the example that noone should violated until 1940 with FDR.
I am surprised America survived Lincoln. (audio links on my profile page.) I hope America survives Barry Soetoro.
greatest? no way. That would be Jefferson.
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great President ?
or greatest President ?
not a great President ?
John Adams was not the greatest president, but he was the greatest man to be president.
I agree that overall, Washington was the greatest. The greatest in modern times was Ronald Reagan, hands down.
I’m from Springfield, IL. I don’t consider him our greatest President. Washington, Madison, Jefferson set up a Republic for Lincoln to save. They all have to be rated higher.
I’ll take the General over the Lawyah any day. Washington.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Adams is way up there on my list of great men who became president, as is Washington and Madison. Lincoln was one of the greatest, no doubt but I think Washington is just as great and underestimated.
And big government was born...
He’s #4 on my list.
Defeating Brits during Rev.
Note: Could have been King. Decided to create a Republic.
“The Civil War settled the identity of the country.”
Will the next, do the same.....
You link to the 9/11 truther movie “loose change” and footage of “demolition” of WTC 7. Are you a 9/11 truther?
They wanted him to be a king, and he refused. Think Zero or Bubba would have turned down that offer? nope.
We know FDR wouldn't have!
I think Adams was hampered by two things. One, he was a moderate compared to the two very radicalizing factions and thus really didn’t have allies in Congress. Two, he was pretty old and by his time to serve most men in the political class were the children of the revolutionaries. Not being a military officer and not being head of a faction kept him out of the limelight.
Lincoln was a war criminal. In a number of ways. Read Thomas DiLorenzo’s LINCOLN UNMASKED. Well documented.
Why is Stephen Colbert writing this website's poll questions?
A big swing towards the federal government. Woo....hoo?
All Virginians. Enough said.
Lord, I sure do miss the Commonwealth.
not a great president?”
LeoWindhorse, despite the media frenzy surrounding Lincoln, you make a most excellent point. There seems to be an absence of reporting about the harm he did.
Lincoln was an/the INVADER!!!
He didn't give a rat's azz about anything but putin’ the
BOOT HEEL on the South,,,
Slaves!? : “Grant's Road” was cut around Vicksburg on the
Louisiana side of the Miss.River,,,(I hunted there,saw it).
Nasty swamp,,,many died,,,Bayonet Point work,,,
Rot in Hell for they did to the people of Vicksburg...
Why do you rank John Adams ahead of George Washington as "greatest man"?
John Adams never owned a slave.
” After 1865, it was clear there was only one nationality: American.”
What a crime. Is that something to rate him as the greatest presidents?
Washington was a great man and the greatest president. He set a standard few have equaled.
“They wanted him to be a king, and he refused. “
Even more. When he appeared before congress to say the war was over.. he presented his sword to them. “My job is done.”
He set the tone for the military keeping out of politics. Something NO other country can claim.
He was a great MAN before he was the great President he became.
-well stated. He was also a gentleman and a scholar.
Harry S. Truman used technology to it’s very limit of destructive deterrence. He faced the hardest decision any president ever had to make and chose the right path. He had brass gonads. Obama would puss out on something that detrimental. Harry’s the man!
No. As govn goes... Jefferson. Maybe Washington was a better leader etc.
Washington was the greatest, but Lincoln and Reagan are not far behind. Lincoln’s greatness and contributions are hard to see for those whose vision is distorted by regional feelings, but the Confederate-secessionist movement represented a political and moral evil of such proportions that it threatened national existence. It was no honest expression of a legitimate popular discontent that Lincoln faced, but a brazen political power grab that would have thrown our nation into permanent anarchy and European domination. Lincoln’s extermination of this danger with doing as little damage as possible to the rule of law should earn the gratitude of all unbiased conservative Americans. In what he did for the nation, he truly was a second Washington.
? The British forces during the Revolutionary War were conscripts. Raw conscripts.
The British unit that came over for the War of 1812 (when the US invaded Canada) - they were much better: many were veterans of the Peninsular War.
But the redcoats who fought Washington were raw - Britain had no kind of military force until Sir John Moore's reforms kicked in, which was in the first decade of the 19th Century.
Unless Washington spent his time fighting Frederick the Great and his Prussians, he did not defeat "the best military in the world".
We are the UNITED STATES of America, state first then country, of course since we are one big happy family there is not much use for States when all we need is a big brother watching over us.
Nothing would have changed a bit under Lincoln's term had the secessionists not agitated, and sometimes cheated, their way into into state secessions of dubious Constitutional legitimacy for grievances of no Constitutional significance. The last thing Lincoln wished to do upon taking office was to disturb or alter the federal republic his predecessors left him.
Bingo! Remember too in camp at Valley Forge when his officers wanted to revolt and march on Congress, he reprimanded them like a father such that he reduced them to tears
George Washington is the greatest president by miles and miles. He saved the republic and then set it on the correct course. Tyrants like KKK Woodrow Wilson and the fascist FDR soiled the office and set the stage for the current dirtbag Hussein.
Some people were under no misconceptions from the beginning.
"Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes." - George Washington, 1796
I take second place to nobody in my respect and admiration of Abraham Lincoln. But I’ll also be the first to state that Lincoln takes second place to George Washington. Washington invented the office of the President, and without him as number one then I doubt we would ever have been around long enough for number 16.
Excellent video posted on youtube by the SouthernAvenger yesterday. Being Honest About Abe.
greatest president? nah, i’ll cast my vote for william henry harrison. he only spent 30 days in office. not enough time to screw up anything.
Grover Cleveland has always been my favorite, but Washington should be considered the greatest.
I agree with you, WHH was the greatest! ;)
The condemnation of railroad subsidies would have been more complete had the speaker admitted that many of the Confederate champions of limited government begged earlier for government aid for their hoped-for Southern railroad route.
It was interesting to see GW Bush and the Iraq war being linked to a Lincoln-inspired American empire of a powerful imperial government making war to further politically potent business interests when some would say the southern-promoted Mexican War was the true genesis of this. And the video totally misses the cornerstone of the Confederacy being a regime that supported the narrow interest of those who got rich by owning human beings and the aggressive spread of this institution.
And with all anti-Lincoln attacks they assume the Confederacy to be a united realm of devotees of liberty. That's like saying 1930s Germany would have been a great place for Jews had Hitler been a nice guy.
But I salute the producer for his talent in making a nice video presentation of a very incomplete and shaky argument. DiLorenzo and Lew Rockwell would be proud.
A poor President: Freed the slaves, started the Union on the road to socialism/central government controll.
I believe you have your presidents mixed up. Franklin Roosevelt did not free the slaves.