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Poll to FREEP: Is Abraham Lincoln a Great President or the Greatest President?
State Journal Register ^ | February 12, 2009 | the eagle has landed

Posted on 02/12/2009 11:05:42 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded

Abraham Lincoln ...

Great president 46.6% Greatest president 53.4%


TOPICS: US: Illinois; Your Opinion/Questions
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I think Washington was the greatest president, he could have been a king or emporer and turned it down. He organized what basically was militia into a military that defeated the best military in the world.

He started from scratch as President, didn't have anyone to learn from and was one of the founders in drafting the Declaration and organizing a government under the constitution.

He then served 2 terms and left setting the example that noone should violated until 1940 with FDR.

1 posted on 02/12/2009 11:05:43 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I am surprised America survived Lincoln. (audio links on my profile page.) I hope America survives Barry Soetoro.


2 posted on 02/12/2009 11:10:37 PM PST by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

greatest? no way. That would be Jefferson.


3 posted on 02/12/2009 11:13:04 PM PST by babubabu
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

poll lists :
Abraham Lincoln
great President ?
or greatest President ?

how about
not a great President ?

Deo Vindice


4 posted on 02/12/2009 11:13:41 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: babubabu

John Adams was not the greatest president, but he was the greatest man to be president.


5 posted on 02/12/2009 11:14:45 PM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--two and a half years-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I agree that overall, Washington was the greatest. The greatest in modern times was Ronald Reagan, hands down.


6 posted on 02/12/2009 11:15:04 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (We failed, but in the good providence of God apparent failure often proves a blessing.-Robert E.Lee)
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To: LeoWindhorse

I’m from Springfield, IL. I don’t consider him our greatest President. Washington, Madison, Jefferson set up a Republic for Lincoln to save. They all have to be rated higher.


7 posted on 02/12/2009 11:16:15 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: Stonewall Jackson

I’ll take the General over the Lawyah any day. Washington.


8 posted on 02/12/2009 11:21:38 PM PST by ducdriver (99% of liberals give the other 1% a bad name.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Abraham Lincoln as the first Republican President ended slavery and saved the Union. He was the father of the American nation. Before 1860, most people saw themselves first as citizens of their state and only then as Americans. After 1865, it was clear there was only one nationality: American. The Civil War settled the identity of the country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

9 posted on 02/12/2009 11:29:14 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: malkee
John Adams was not the greatest president, but he was the greatest man to be president.

Adams is way up there on my list of great men who became president, as is Washington and Madison. Lincoln was one of the greatest, no doubt but I think Washington is just as great and underestimated.

10 posted on 02/12/2009 11:31:10 PM PST by TheThinker (Shame and guilt mongering is the Left's favorite tool of control.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
His birthplace is fifteen miles down the road. While I agree that freeing the slaves was a fine and noble idea, a number of the actions he took during the course of the Civil War were horrendous.
11 posted on 02/12/2009 11:31:36 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (We failed, but in the good providence of God apparent failure often proves a blessing.-Robert E.Lee)
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To: goldstategop

And big government was born...


12 posted on 02/12/2009 11:32:56 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

He’s #4 on my list.


13 posted on 02/12/2009 11:33:46 PM PST by WheresMyBailout
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To: All

George Washington

involved in

Defeating Brits during Rev.
Dec. Independence
US Constitution
Note: Could have been King. Decided to create a Republic.


14 posted on 02/12/2009 11:45:51 PM PST by rbmillerjr (2/6/09 The Day the Republican Party died.....Reagan's Birthday nonetheless)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Are they kidding? We can tell them who the real greatest president is. Yes, we can!!!!!1!

(j/k)

15 posted on 02/12/2009 11:48:14 PM PST by Lonely Bull
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To: goldstategop

“The Civil War settled the identity of the country.”

Will the next, do the same.....


16 posted on 02/12/2009 11:49:00 PM PST by Gator113 ("Noli nothis permittere te terere.")
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To: goldstategop
He was the father of the American nation. Before 1860, most people saw themselves first as citizens of their state and only then as Americans. After 1865, it was clear there was only one nationality: American. The Civil War settled the identity of the country.

Ironically, at the same time he was preserving the country, he was driving the first major stake into the heart of the Constitution.

His success marked the beginning of the end of the Republic. He saved it only to ensure its eventual destruction.
17 posted on 02/12/2009 11:53:04 PM PST by microgood
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To: Nephi

You link to the 9/11 truther movie “loose change” and footage of “demolition” of WTC 7. Are you a 9/11 truther?


18 posted on 02/12/2009 11:53:22 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: babubabu
I vote for Washington.

They wanted him to be a king, and he refused. Think Zero or Bubba would have turned down that offer? nope.

We know FDR wouldn't have!

19 posted on 02/12/2009 11:57:38 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: malkee

I think Adams was hampered by two things. One, he was a moderate compared to the two very radicalizing factions and thus really didn’t have allies in Congress. Two, he was pretty old and by his time to serve most men in the political class were the children of the revolutionaries. Not being a military officer and not being head of a faction kept him out of the limelight.


20 posted on 02/13/2009 12:02:34 AM PST by neb52 (Currently Reading: Salt: A World History by Mark Kurlansky.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Lincoln was a war criminal. In a number of ways. Read Thomas DiLorenzo’s LINCOLN UNMASKED. Well documented.


21 posted on 02/13/2009 12:04:40 AM PST by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Is Abraham Lincoln a Great President or the Greatest President?

Why is Stephen Colbert writing this website's poll questions?

22 posted on 02/13/2009 12:19:55 AM PST by King of Card Games
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To: goldstategop
He was the father of the American nation. Before 1860, most people saw themselves first as citizens of their state and only then as Americans. After 1865, it was clear there was only one nationality: American.

A big swing towards the federal government. Woo....hoo?

23 posted on 02/13/2009 12:22:42 AM PST by King of Card Games
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

#1-George Washington
#2-Thomas Jefferson
#3-James Madison

All Virginians. Enough said.

Lord, I sure do miss the Commonwealth.


24 posted on 02/13/2009 12:26:31 AM PST by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: LeoWindhorse

“how about
not a great president?”

Deo Vindice.

LeoWindhorse, despite the media frenzy surrounding Lincoln, you make a most excellent point. There seems to be an absence of reporting about the harm he did.


25 posted on 02/13/2009 12:34:36 AM PST by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: imjimbo
Lincoln was a war criminal. In a number of ways. Read Thomas DiLorenzo’s LINCOLN UNMASKED. Well documented.
~~~
Spot ON!!!

TAX,TAX,TAX!!!

Lincoln was an/the INVADER!!!

He didn't give a rat's azz about anything but putin’ the

BOOT HEEL on the South,,,

Slaves!? : “Grant's Road” was cut around Vicksburg on the

Louisiana side of the Miss.River,,,(I hunted there,saw it).

Nasty swamp,,,many died,,,Bayonet Point work,,,

Rot in Hell for they did to the people of Vicksburg...

26 posted on 02/13/2009 12:38:50 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: malkee
John Adams was not the greatest president, but he was the greatest man to be president.

Why do you rank John Adams ahead of George Washington as "greatest man"?

27 posted on 02/13/2009 1:01:25 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

John Adams never owned a slave.


28 posted on 02/13/2009 1:02:59 AM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--two and a half years-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: goldstategop

” After 1865, it was clear there was only one nationality: American.”

What a crime. Is that something to rate him as the greatest presidents?

Washington was a great man and the greatest president. He set a standard few have equaled.


29 posted on 02/13/2009 1:11:54 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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To: FBD

“They wanted him to be a king, and he refused. “

Even more. When he appeared before congress to say the war was over.. he presented his sword to them. “My job is done.”

He set the tone for the military keeping out of politics. Something NO other country can claim.

He was a great MAN before he was the great President he became.


30 posted on 02/13/2009 1:17:56 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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To: JSteff

-well stated. He was also a gentleman and a scholar.


31 posted on 02/13/2009 1:24:32 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Harry S. Truman used technology to it’s very limit of destructive deterrence. He faced the hardest decision any president ever had to make and chose the right path. He had brass gonads. Obama would puss out on something that detrimental. Harry’s the man!


32 posted on 02/13/2009 1:40:25 AM PST by Birdsbane (If You Are Employed By A Liberal Democrat...Quit!)
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To: FBD

No. As govn goes... Jefferson. Maybe Washington was a better leader etc.


33 posted on 02/13/2009 1:56:34 AM PST by babubabu
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Washington was the greatest, but Lincoln and Reagan are not far behind. Lincoln’s greatness and contributions are hard to see for those whose vision is distorted by regional feelings, but the Confederate-secessionist movement represented a political and moral evil of such proportions that it threatened national existence. It was no honest expression of a legitimate popular discontent that Lincoln faced, but a brazen political power grab that would have thrown our nation into permanent anarchy and European domination. Lincoln’s extermination of this danger with doing as little damage as possible to the rule of law should earn the gratitude of all unbiased conservative Americans. In what he did for the nation, he truly was a second Washington.


34 posted on 02/13/2009 2:00:05 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
He organized what basically was militia into a military that defeated the best military in the world.

? The British forces during the Revolutionary War were conscripts. Raw conscripts.

The British unit that came over for the War of 1812 (when the US invaded Canada) - they were much better: many were veterans of the Peninsular War.

But the redcoats who fought Washington were raw - Britain had no kind of military force until Sir John Moore's reforms kicked in, which was in the first decade of the 19th Century.

Unless Washington spent his time fighting Frederick the Great and his Prussians, he did not defeat "the best military in the world".

35 posted on 02/13/2009 2:00:21 AM PST by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: goldstategop
...He was the father of the American nation. Before 1860, most people saw themselves first as citizens of their state and only then as Americans. After 1865, it was clear there was only one nationality: American. The Civil War settled the identity of the country.

We are the UNITED STATES of America, state first then country, of course since we are one big happy family there is not much use for States when all we need is a big brother watching over us.

36 posted on 02/13/2009 2:00:39 AM PST by this_ol_patriot (I saw manbearpig and all I got was this lousy tagline.)
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To: miliantnutcase
And big government was born...(under Lincoln)

Nothing would have changed a bit under Lincoln's term had the secessionists not agitated, and sometimes cheated, their way into into state secessions of dubious Constitutional legitimacy for grievances of no Constitutional significance. The last thing Lincoln wished to do upon taking office was to disturb or alter the federal republic his predecessors left him.

37 posted on 02/13/2009 2:13:04 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
I'd by far rather have Washington running things than Lincoln. Slavery needed to die, absolutely. States needed to be invaded and burned to ashes? - a bad precedent to set especially considering recent elections...
38 posted on 02/13/2009 2:55:07 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Bingo! Remember too in camp at Valley Forge when his officers wanted to revolt and march on Congress, he reprimanded them like a father such that he reduced them to tears


39 posted on 02/13/2009 3:56:31 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

George Washington is the greatest president by miles and miles. He saved the republic and then set it on the correct course. Tyrants like KKK Woodrow Wilson and the fascist FDR soiled the office and set the stage for the current dirtbag Hussein.


40 posted on 02/13/2009 3:59:03 AM PST by sergeantdave (nobama is the anti-Lincoln who will re-institute slavery to government)
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bump


41 posted on 02/13/2009 4:01:55 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: goldstategop
He was the father of the American nation. Before 1860, most people saw themselves first as citizens of their state and only then as Americans. After 1865, it was clear there was only one nationality: American.

Some people were under no misconceptions from the beginning.

"Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes." - George Washington, 1796

42 posted on 02/13/2009 4:09:09 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I take second place to nobody in my respect and admiration of Abraham Lincoln. But I’ll also be the first to state that Lincoln takes second place to George Washington. Washington invented the office of the President, and without him as number one then I doubt we would ever have been around long enough for number 16.


43 posted on 02/13/2009 4:11:49 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Excellent video posted on youtube by the SouthernAvenger yesterday. Being Honest About Abe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NMJKeg4qBQ


44 posted on 02/13/2009 4:18:37 AM PST by all the best
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

greatest president? nah, i’ll cast my vote for william henry harrison. he only spent 30 days in office. not enough time to screw up anything.


45 posted on 02/13/2009 4:21:44 AM PST by absolootezer0 (thank God for Chicago: makes Detroit look wholesome by comparison.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Grover Cleveland has always been my favorite, but Washington should be considered the greatest.


46 posted on 02/13/2009 4:52:32 AM PST by Cheap_Hessian
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To: absolootezer0

I agree with you, WHH was the greatest! ;)


47 posted on 02/13/2009 4:56:48 AM PST by neb52 (Currently Reading: Salt: A World History by Mark Kurlansky.)
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To: all the best
The video went off track early when the speaker put violation of Washington's warning against foreign entanglements upon Lincoln when it was the Confederates who were begging for foreign intervention against their fellow Americans.

The condemnation of railroad subsidies would have been more complete had the speaker admitted that many of the Confederate champions of limited government begged earlier for government aid for their hoped-for Southern railroad route.

It was interesting to see GW Bush and the Iraq war being linked to a Lincoln-inspired American empire of a powerful imperial government making war to further politically potent business interests when some would say the southern-promoted Mexican War was the true genesis of this. And the video totally misses the cornerstone of the Confederacy being a regime that supported the narrow interest of those who got rich by owning human beings and the aggressive spread of this institution.

And with all anti-Lincoln attacks they assume the Confederacy to be a united realm of devotees of liberty. That's like saying 1930s Germany would have been a great place for Jews had Hitler been a nice guy.

But I salute the producer for his talent in making a nice video presentation of a very incomplete and shaky argument. DiLorenzo and Lew Rockwell would be proud.

48 posted on 02/13/2009 5:12:59 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

A poor President: Freed the slaves, started the Union on the road to socialism/central government controll.


49 posted on 02/13/2009 7:05:54 AM PST by JSDude1 (R(epublicans) In Name Only SUCK; D(emocrats) In Name Only are worth their weight..)
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A poor President: Freed the slaves, started the Union on the road to socialism/central government control.

I believe you have your presidents mixed up. Franklin Roosevelt did not free the slaves.

50 posted on 02/13/2009 7:21:32 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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