Skip to comments.Cessna Fights Back Against the Democrat Assault on Private Aviation (Obama's stupidity exposed)
Posted on 02/13/2009 3:24:31 AM PST by Evil Slayer
RUSH: Let's go to the audio sound bites. This is, let's see, Brad Sherman (Democrat-California) interviewing -- or interrogating -- the bank CEOs yesterday as part of the House Financial Services Committee hearing.
SHERMAN: I'd like you to raise your hand if your company currently owns or leases a private plane. Let the record show all the hands, uh, went up except, uh, for the, uh, gentleman from, uh, Goldman Sachs. Gentlemen, we know that it is extremely expensive to operate these planes, that you could sell them and generate capital for your company and that capital could be used to repay taxpayers malady. The big show of not buying one particular new plane flies in the face of how you're really flying.
RUSH: Folks, I cannot tell you how this infuriates me. This Sherman guy obviously is a dunce. For a member of Congress to be telling CEOs of anything, they have to sell their jets? Does this guy not understand, for crying out loud, this Congress is supposed to be about creating jobs, we're told. They're out there trying to destroy the automobile business. Now they're trying to destroy private aviation. Do they have no idea who it is that flies these airplanes and why? Do they have no idea who it takes to build these airplanes? The company that owns Cessna is based in Providence, Rhode Island. They just laid off 4,600 people! They just laid off 4,600 workers at the company that makes Cessna jets. Now, Cessna has one of their assembly plants is in Wichita, Kansas, of course. But the outfit that owns them is a company called Textron. Let's see, Textron...
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So, who's going to buy them? And with all those planes on the market, what is going to happen to their value?
What about the airports and FBO’s and flight instructors?
Yes. The liberal geniuses at work. Can’t think 2 steps ahead of where they are.
I wish more of these CEOs had the stones to flip these windbags the bird. For instance, the “big-oil” execs....when some Congressional gasbag starts whining about “excessive” or “obscene” profits...answer to the effect...” well Senator, my companies profit avaerages 8 cents a gallon, the federal government gets 10 cents (or whatever it is) and your state gets 25 cents....
The CEO should have asked the committee why do they have to fly around in government planes at taxpayers expense why not fly on commericial airlines. Maybe O should fly around in a smaller jet rather than a Jumbo.
It’s all about how we feeeeeeeeeeeeel about the jets...
It’s the symbolism that is important!!!
‘ang on a minute. If companies are receiving millions of dollars of gummint bailout money — otherwise they go broke — I’d say absolutely that gives the gummint a right to have a say in how the companies run and what sort of aeroplanes they get to own-or-otherwise.
More than that, it gives the gummint an OBLIGATION to do so. And should probably also entitle the gummint to a seat on the Board. Or maybe two.
If the companies don’t like being told what to do by the gummint, they do have one good option: don’t take the bailout money, take the lumps instead. If I were chairman of one of those companies, that would be the option I would pick. It would be painful, but not nearly so painful as long-term gummint interference.
As a taxpayer, if a company were receiving tax money, there is no way in Texas I’d want them owning expensive assets such as private jets. Liquidate them and use the proceeds to pay down debt to the gummint.
(luckily so far, none of this is directly my problem as (so far) our gummint in New Zealand hasn’t gone down the bailout route.)
They should gather up all those jets a feed them into shredders amidst cheers and celebration. That would make the dems feel good.
Is the left tire blown out on that bird?
You are right. If the idiots in Washington had a clue, they would understand. But, we have a community organizer for a president, and way to many people who have never actually had any real business experience running the show. They see aircraft as a luxury. Let me give you a real example (the company I work for) of what GA in business looks like. We have a Beechcraft King Air, a really nice dependable aircraft. Paid about 3.5 million for it, if I remember right. We have a professional pilot who is paid a good salary. We have several plants scattered about the country, our engineering staff is at our facility. Let’s say we have a problem in North Carolina, our whole plant is down. If we go to the local ticket counter and buy seats for 5, it will probably be $7500 total, plus we have to wait on the flight. Now the King Air can take us straight there and back for about $5000 (I think my figures are correct) depending on fuel costs. The added bonus is we can carry a couple of extra hands for the same cost, although with the extra load you will burn extra fuel. The real kicker is the downed plant is costing roughly $25000 an hour in downtime. It really doesn’t take many trips like this to justify having an aircraft. On a personal note, I am in flight training now, some day I want to own my own plane. I don’t need some idiot in DC to tell me how to spend my money that I EARNED because they think I don’t need to fly or own an aircraft. Of course, with the bunch in power, I am more worried about them taking my money, that’s just another way to tell you how to run your life. Sorry for the rant, I am an aviation buff and this is close to my heart. I am putting the kids through school, and I have put myself last for a long time. My wife said we could afford the plane now, that it was my turn to have some fun.(Great Woman) I hope I don’t come across as selfish, but I worked hard, dang it, and isn’t part of America being able to realize your lifelong dreams?
“there is no way in Texas Id want them owning expensive assets such as private jets.”
Employees are expensive assets too. They should get rid of them also.
As a Christian, viewing the photo you posted, I think I just broke that commandment about coveting. I always feel the need to go to church and repent after a visit to the airport.
I now understand sins have consequences. TADSLOS, thank you.
> Employees are expensive assets too. They should get rid of them also.
Employees are intangibles that no doubt have value. But thanks to Obama’s hero Abraham Lincoln, you have the Emancipation Proclamation now, which precludes you from realizing your employees as tangible assets.
Here’s what I find both amusing and insane. The most dramatically insolvent institution in America is probably the national government. Yet Nancy Pelosi has no compunction whatsoever about insisting upon having a custom jetliner for her own personal use, paid for by the government.
“We have a Beechcraft King Air, a really nice dependable aircraft. “
200 or 300?
How does this moron Sherman get from California to wasington D.C., by Subway??? And you can bet he never paid for the cost of the ticket since he became a feckless wonder in the “Congress”.
Watching these A—holes interrogating any one makes me ashamed .
RV = GOOD
What's wrong with this picture?
Wow... I hiccuped!
I will be the owner of one of these as soon as possible. I learned to fly twins in one of these, a Beech Model 18
I wish one would have said, “I’ll answer - as soon as the SENATORS who have flown on business jets raise THEIR hands, and admit they flew on the jets of businesses that wanted to kiss their butts to get government money.”
And since this question should have been anticipated, maybe even say, “I used a business jet fewer times last year than YOU did - 17 to 23”, or whatever the correct number is.
We have the 200. It seats 7 + Pilot the way we have it configured. If I remember correctly the variable hourly cost is around $500 an hour, but that was before fuel went through the roof. Now that I think about, that 3.5 million sounds low, I may be wrong about the cost. I believe the pilot told me maximum payload was around 2500#. Anyway, anything I purchase will have to be under $100000 and have a total hourly cost of less than $200 an hour (less cost of aircraft) so if the plane is completely out of my league, the figures don’t stick as well. The way my portfolio is dropping, I may have to settle for an ultralight!
This is one sweet aircraft. However, it appears that the left tire is off the rim.
” a Beech Model 18 “
Is there anything sweeter than a Beechcraft? If you haven’t been, check out the Beechcraft Heritage Museum in Tullahoma, Tennessee. It’s in the current Feb. 2009 edition of Flying magazine. I am planning on swinging down my next trip to Nashville. If you get the Model 18, consider yourself one lucky dog, I have seen one up close and that is one beautiful bird.
Merrill Lynch, however, came to the taxpayers (including me), hat in hand after running the whole damn economy into the ground. They can fly commercial and get paid GS scale. These Gordon Gekko wannabes don't have any right to complain about the restrictions placed on them by the Government.
Don't like the Government's restrictions, don't take the People's money.
I would have brought that. Throw their crap back in their faces.
I saw that too, wonder if they fit on the lift at Wheel Works ;-)
I saw a guy who I assumed was seeding fish in one of those in the Sierra a while back. He was flying the aircraft like he was making the terminal run on the Death Star, went sideways between two spires, roaring among the crags... My two thoughts were “Crazy bastard” and “Damn, that looks fun!”
Lived in Wichita last year.......great city. However, this will really hurt them even with the attempts to get it going well.
They might want to have that flat looked at.
The easy solution for this kind of problem is to not lean on the taxpayer to cover the freight for bad business.
Of course, in a better world the government would apply the same standard to welfare recipients and go around slapping the iPods out of the hands of career freeloaders.
Hey. Those are the best Firestone’s money can buy.
What is the penalty for verbally lashing back at the a-hole politicians during these hearings. For once I wish one of these CEO’s gets the ballz to let loose and let them have it. These lifetime arrogant buttwipe politicians need a verbal spanking!
Cessna: Business Aircraft Are Good for BusinessesBy Chad Trautvetter
February 12, 2009
Cessna Aircraft yesterday kicked off an initiative to debunk myths about business aircraft and outline how these machines make companies more competitive. The reality of business aviation is a far cry from the misconception of CEOs flying in large, luxurious airplanes, said Cessna chairman, president and CEO Jack Pelton.
Anyone who has ever seen managers board a business aircraft at dawn and return well after dark, having visited multiple cities and attended countless meetings in one day can attest to the fact that business aviation allows companies to get the most out of every minute of every day. Small and medium-size companies fly about 85 percent of business aircraft, Pelton said, and the majority of the passengers are middle managers and technicians.
The aircraft most often used by companies, he noted, are turboprops or light jets, adding that they are fairly Spartan and have small cabins. To amplify its pro-aircraft message, Cessna will run in trade and general media outlets advertisements with pro-business themes encouraging operators to keep flying business aircraft to demonstrate leadership in the face of economic challenge.
The ads will also point out the increased productivity and efficiency gained by using business aircraft.
Air Businesses Grounded In Obama’s No-Fly Zone
Air Businesses Grounded In Obama’s No-Fly Zone
My first skydive was out of one of those. We banked around the DZ for a look at the winds, we had the door rolled up and I was sitting right in front of it- holding onto the carpet fibers with my fingernails. LOL!
“, but I’m damn tired of the tax payers subsidizing a private hobby. “
They do. What do you know of aviation, anything?
Why? That would be counterproductive, as it would reduce the executives' productivity, resulting in a less efficient, less profitable company, which would potentially delay the ultimate repayment of the debt.
I guess they are saying that the go to meetings promoted by Rush is all BS. Are maybe they think that computers server no useful purpose. Actually all that travel is the true waste of time. If you cannot trust those you delegate to, hire new help.
Also worthy of note is the fact that a Senator flew a private flight home to the funeral of his mother in order not to miss the vote on porkulus.
The world wants to know why? What was so important to justify the taxpayer expense and fuel use and carbon polluting for a dead woman? She was dead. She was in no hurry.
Do you pay 100% for the roads you use, is driving a “hobby” for you? You DON’T pay 100% of the roads you use through gas, vehicle taxes, and property taxes. We business owners support your driving hobby with our corporate taxes far more than you pay yourself.
So, I suggest you stop driving and petition your local and State governments to stop using other people’s money to pay for your pleasure hobby of driving. You can ride a bike or walk to work. Driving is not a necessity. Move closer to work and stop mooching other people’s money so you can live farther away.
As far as aviation, it pays for itself through gas taxes, usage fees, and other means of taxation. People receive their postal mail, UPS/FedEx, utility line repairs, emergency medical services, supplies, etc. through general aviation airports all across the country, so the US and State general funds provide some funding for those purposes. Some. Pilots, aircraft owners, airline operators, airport restaurant owners, etc. pay enormous taxes to provide for airports that you use every day no matter if you know it or not. In fact, the airport I fly out of had an $815 million impact to the local economy with over $95 million just in payroll alone. Hardly a “hobby” paid for by taxpayers as you suggested.
Saying general aviation airports are “hobbies” is nothing but class envy bullshit ignorant of the facts.