Skip to comments.Octuplets doctor has another patient expecting quadruplets
Posted on 02/13/2009 6:54:59 AM PST by Zakeet
The patient, who is in her late 40s, wanted one baby. Dr. Michael Kamrava transferred at least seven embryos to her. She is now hospitalized without insurance.
A few months after Dr. Michael Kamrava helped Nadya Suleman become pregnant with octuplets, he transferred at least seven embryos to another patient.
She was in her late 40s and wanted just one baby.
Now she's five months pregnant with quadruplets and hospitalized at Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center, according to several sources familiar with the situation.
The new case could add to concerns about Kamrava's practice and about whether the fertility industry needs more regulation.
The woman has three grown children from a previous marriage but wanted another child with her second husband, who is in his early 30s and doesn't have any children, sources said. She works as an apartment manager; her husband is a contractor.
She started fertility treatments seeking one baby, but after becoming pregnant with quadruplets, declined medical advice to reduce the number of fetuses, the sources said.
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The good doctor, having done the implanting, should be responsible financially for the care of the offspring.
It’s a good thing CA has plenty of money to pay for all this extravagant medical care when this nutcase doctor impregnates welfare mothers with their litters.
In the immortal words of that Democrat icon, Jocelyn Elders,”It’s for the churdrun.”
This jerk should be billed the total cost of the Octotots. The prosecutor should SUE his sorry arse for every single dime he’s costing the taxpayers and make him pay child support.
At least she didn't abort any of them.
No volume discount for her!
“...about whether the fertility industry needs more regulation.”
Jezzz, ya think?
I’m sure that he has his patients sign a release and also they probably have to sign a promise to “reduce the number of fetuses” prior to birth. So the mom can either kill her children or just suck it up and deal with it. Evil.
One bright spot, I agree. I’m not sure why anyone would intentionally have a baby (especially after having at least one) without any medical insurance. Babies are expensive, especially if you have to come out of pocket for medical care.
They shouldn’t just take all his assets and send him to jail after revoking his medical license, they should hang him.
Should this be done in EVERY case of IVF?
Yes definitely. We need a government agency to decide who can and cannot have children.
You must be joking.
People have been having babies for a long time, irrespective of the state or availablity of medical treatment and the means and mechanisms to pay for it.
Whoever it is.
Shut this guy down immediately!!!!
He should have been shut down a long time ago!
Dr. Michael Kamrava, 57, leaves his Beverly Hills, Calif. office on Monday, Feb. 9, 2009. Kamrava’s name emerged Monday as a result of an interview aired Monday on NBC with Nadya Suleman, who gave birth to eight babies Jan. 26. Kamrava is the director of the West Coast IVF Clinic.
The doctor can support these kids - I sure as hell don’t want to...
This woman had:
1) No job;
2) Was receiving disability payments (which means her health was in question);
3) No house;
4) Lives with her parents, and
5) Had no private health coverage.
In other words, no PERSONAL financial responsibility for paying the costs of raising these kids. Why bother when the taxpayers can be extorted instead?
I’m thinking the doc needs to pay child support.
Of course not..but we should not allow elective procedures to be paid by medicaid.
When a man impregnates a woman, that makes him the daddy, doesn’t it?
That’s not my point. This woman, who already has kids, has no medical insurance, and goes to what most would consider extraordinary lengths to have another child. That is showing a great lack of common sense. I don’t understand it.
These procedures are expensive, right? Both these women are on welfare. So who the hell is paying for this? They should ship this Dr. back to Iran. And tell them he converted.
JMO but I am not a fan of IFV esp when the donor is unknown of either the egg/sperm.
Could end up with related IVF babies down the road not to mention the ethics of what is popping up in the news now.
Your cat is clearly smarter than some people.
I may consider bringing suit against him as an LA County resident.
I believe I have standing.
But “regulation” can never control imbeciles or thugs.
“You must be joking.”
I am against this type of regulation. However how do you stop doctors from giving people children they did not want? I am sure the lady who wanted 1 child and received 4 was not prepared to take care of that many. IMO
All fertility doctors do that, and I’m sure they’re required to by their insurers. It’s completely unenforceable, and most women realize that up front (and any woman actually faced with the decision would find out quickly, if she didn’t already know). It a smart thing to do, since it forces the patient to think about the reality of what could happen if she has more embryos transferred than the doctor is recommending, and about that the fact that she won’t be able to get any money from the doctor or his insurer if her gamble goes bad and she isn’t really willing to reduce.
In this case, however, I assume that this rogue doctor was encouraging patients to have lots of embryos transferred and just having them sign the promise to reduce “as a formality”. In which case, the document won’t hold up as a defense for him or his former insurer (and believe me, he doesn’t have an insurer now — he is utterly and completely uninsurable).
I remember that creepy dude doctor.
He used his sperm on a majority of his patients.
Yeah what a mess and he was not exactly Mr. Handsome either with a big ole fat gene factor.
ANY cat is smarter than most people. :D
“...stable relationship...healthy environment...certain standards...”
And the government would estasblish and administer these criteria, eh?
And just for IVF? Why? The vast majority of kids on the dole were created the traditional way. Shouldn’t these standards you suggest apply to anyone who wants to have kids?
Yeah, I agree.
But my question was in reply to your assertion that the IVF doctor ought to be prosecuted, and sued, and forced to pay child support for the kids. I asked if you thought this should happen in every case of IVF.
I agree that elective procedures (whatever they are) souldn’t be paid by medicaid. I’m not sure, but I don’t think medicaid paid for the IVF. But that’s not the issue anyway, is it?
Again, what you suggest is that some govenment agency decides who can and who cannot have children, right?
And then, even if the decision was well-made according to SOMEBODY’S standard, circumstances change. people lose jobs. Relationships fracture. people get sick or go insane. So you really couldn’t guarantee that your IVF babies would be raised well and financially supported anyway, could you?
I don’t think the doctor forced the procedure on her. Women take fertility drugs and allow multiple fertilized embryos to be implanted in their wombs and don’t want the children that ensue? Huh?? Now it’s getting really weird.
This is a big story because she DID NOT HAVE MULTIPLE ABORTIONS. Get it? This happens all the time, but the women allow the doctors to destroy the EXTRA babies.
It is the patients undergoing IVF who ultimately choose the number of embryos to replace, not the doctors, unless the doctor disagrees with the number and simply refuses to.
In the United States, the final decision is generally made on the day of transfer—after consulting the embryologist, the reproductive endocrinologist may suggest to the patient a number to replace, or may leave it entirely up to the patient. Most patients are not crazy, however, and are informed of the risks of replacing more than three.
In any case, the embryos belong to the patient, not the clinic.
The fertility industry in the United States is the probably the most free in the world. Freedom is a good thing. Be careful with your calls for more regulation. . .
Hmmm...my dog disagrees with you, but you know how dogs are... ;)
“when this nutcase doctor impregnates welfare mothers with their litters”
They aren’t litters. They are children. Sick!
These stories really bring out the ugly at FR
“Yes definitely. We need a government agency to decide who can and cannot have children.
You must be joking.”
Several freepers have suggested forced sterilization, and just taking peoples children away and giving them to someone else. We’re headed back to the 1920’s I guess, when Eugenics was all the rage, and useless eaters needed to be killed and sterilized. I wish people would read their history on this. They’d be more careful about what they propose to deal with it. It makes Conservatives sound flat evil sometimes.