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America's Unacknowledged War
Threatswatch ^ | Feb. 14, 2009 | Jay Fraser

Posted on 02/14/2009 3:59:00 PM PST by AuntB

Headline: Grenades that were used in three attacks -- the first two in northern Mexico, the last in Texas -- over the past four months all trace back to the same source, the paramilitary group known as Los Zetas. The attempted bombing in Texas occurred in January in a small town named Pharr, just outside of McAllen and Brownsville, and not all that far from the Mexican border and places like Matamoros and Monterrey. It so happens that another grenade failed to detonate in a January attack in Pharr. Three men, members of two gangs, Tri-City Bombers and the Texas Chicano Brotherhood, were arrested this week and charged with felony drug charges.

Focus remains on the drug violence, the murders and the cartels in Mexico. Concern over whether Mexico is on the verge of being a failed state was expressed in January when the Joint Operating Environment (aka J.O.E.) report from the United States Joint Forces Command was finally released and the comment that the potential for failed states in Mexico and Pakistan represented significant security issues for the United States. However, it could be argued that the possibility of a catastrophic failure of the Mexican state should come as no surprise. It is also arguable that the outright failure of the Mexican government is the not only threat to U.S. security. Mexico is a country of great instability, widely separate economic classes, and corruption.

Of course, by now, this is not the first of the many commentaries on this subject, but "day job" circumstances and deadlines delayed this writing. Often, and perhaps too often, I've focused on the constant and persistent rise of violence across our border with Mexico. But it hasn't just been my move to the "Republic" that prompted my concern over the instability in Mexico affecting us here in the United States.

The question of How Seriously Should we Take The Mexican Crisis? was covered earlier by Doug Farah on his own blog and on the Counterterrorism Blog. He makes a few important observations including the continuing violence and bloodshed attributable to the drug cartels and their turf battles. Also noted is perhaps a 21st Century, North American version of the domino theory in raising the point that instability in Mexico might also lead to unrest in neighboring Guatemala and Honduras, as well as the potential for opening a door for either or both of Venezuela and Nicaragua to step in (with neither of these countries being friendly with the U.S., and both being connected with Iran and Russia to name just two.

But recognizing that a grenade connected to Los Zetas was found in Pharr is more than troubling because it shows that the reach of the cartels has extended beyond the border. Also, when you realize that so-called incursions into the United States by Mexican military and paramilitary troops has been occurring for a while and attracted the attention of Rep. Peter King in early 2006 who at the time was the Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security. In a letter to his constituents he wrote:

Dear Mr. Fraser: It is bad enough that millions of illegal aliens have crossed our borders in recent years. Even more disgraceful are reports that Mexican military personnel - or those posing as Mexican military personnel - have illegally penetrated our southern border hundreds of times while assisting Mexican drug runners. There have even been reports of Mexican troops firing on American Border Patrol agents.

If true, this is one more example of inexcusable conduct by the Mexican government. That is why I have joined with other members of the Homeland Security Committee in demanding that the Mexican government and our own government provides us with all the details of these incursions.

Additionally, as Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, I am scheduling hearings to make sure that we get the complete truth and nothing but the truth about the actions of the Mexican military. We cannot allow the Mexican government to get away with this violation of American sovereignty.

I would be interested in your thoughts on this issue.

All the best.

Sincerely,

PETER T. KING Member of Congress

The Incursion Report for FY2006 can be found here.

Might it come as a surprise to anyone that those of us familiar with the counter-narcotics technology arena have known of and been dealing with these drug cartel tunnels since long before Sept. 11th? Frankly, going back to my first presentation at an ONDCP Conference in the early 90's, I've heard discussions of the multiplicity of tunnels running under the borders of Arizona and Texas (Nogales, Tucson with El Paso being most prevalent). Some of these tunnels have been especially elaborate, not too different from the one discussed in this thread. But IMO, this is an issue that now goes far beyond drug runners and drug cartels...its an issue of National Security.

In May of 2002 I was interviewed by the MIT Technology Review about the convergence of Counter-narcotic and Counterterrorism. I commented about the similarity of border issues when it came to fighting drug traffic and blocking terrorism. Perhaps not surprisingly back then Brian Houghton, director of research for the Oklahoma City National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism said, "Terrorists and people in the drug industry are constantly searching for the weak link." He further stated, "There are similarities, but [drug trafficking and terrorism] are two different things," he says. "Where they start to go apart is that drugs are such an epidemic. If all drug dealers and cartels were terrorist organizations we'd be in big trouble."

America is at war, not a War on Drugs, and not the War on Terrorism. We, as our neighbors to the South of the border, are at war with the drug cartels. And maybe more specifically, we are at war with Los Zetas. The Zetas are a paramilitary operation that was originally based on renegade Mexican special forces elements trained and armed by the U.S. The multiple and continuing incursions of Mexican military and Mexican nationals across our border, and the infrequently reported engagements of our Border Patrol with such factions, raises serious questions. At one point recently, it was posed that Los Zetas were acting more independently of the cartels. So, also raised is the question of whether Los Zetas should be designated by the U.S. as a terrorist organization and dealt with as such. Perhaps this is a "radical" idea right now, but how long is it before it becomes an idea whose time has come?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; border; borderfence; borderpatrol; borders; california; dhs; drugcartels; drugwarconsequences; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico; minutemen; ms13; newmexico; organizedcrime; texas; warnextdoor; wod; wot; zetas
"America is at war, not a War on Drugs, and not the War on Terrorism. We, as our neighbors to the South of the border, are at war with the drug cartels. And maybe more specifically, we are at war with Los Zetas."

Be sure to see Rep. King's letter above.

This article sent out by our Former Border agents group.

1 posted on 02/14/2009 3:59:01 PM PST by AuntB
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To: Regulator; wolfcreek; gubamyster; SwinneySwitch; SandRat; HiJinx; Cindy; bcsco; rabscuttle385

War next door ping!


2 posted on 02/14/2009 4:00:09 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB

Thank you Aunt B.
I’ll link to the article.


3 posted on 02/14/2009 4:03:15 PM PST by Cindy
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To: AuntB

I don’t even think it’s about drugs anymore. These days it seems to be about power.


4 posted on 02/14/2009 4:04:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

Agreed, cripplecreek. It’s about a lot more than drugs.


5 posted on 02/14/2009 4:12:57 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: cripplecreek

>I don’t even think it’s about drugs anymore. These days it seems to be about power.

Just like the Stimulus Bill... [/Cynic]


6 posted on 02/14/2009 4:15:02 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AuntB

Another unacknowleged war is that between pubs and dims that only the latter recognize.


7 posted on 02/14/2009 4:15:21 PM PST by 353FMG (Trust in Glock.)
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To: cripplecreek; AuntB

Or, you are both wrong. It is really about money. Power is necessary to peddle the drug product and controll the money


8 posted on 02/14/2009 4:18:54 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: AuntB; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Border (shooting) War Ping!


9 posted on 02/14/2009 4:21:41 PM PST by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: bert; cripplecreek

“Or, you are both wrong. It is really about money. Power is necessary to peddle the drug product and controll the money”

Absolutely agree, bert. Make note, it may never happen again! lol


10 posted on 02/14/2009 4:23:10 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB

If the drugs disappeared tomorrow, they would find something else to fund their fight. I’m guessing oil would top their short list.


11 posted on 02/14/2009 4:23:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

“If the drugs disappeared tomorrow, they would find something else to fund their fight. I’m guessing oil would top their short list.”

Human smuggling (slavery, prostitution) seems fairly lucrative for them as well.


12 posted on 02/14/2009 4:28:14 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Cindy

Once again thanks for all you guys and gals do. Exposing the truth can save the country. Trouble is we have to do it over and over and over....


13 posted on 02/14/2009 4:29:14 PM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: AuntB

In west africa they went from diamonds to fighting over charcoal.


14 posted on 02/14/2009 4:31:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: bert
Money, drugs, power, Marxian Socialism,Communism,we face it all. Coming head on at us. These devils trade on weakness. Stand up to them and they fade into the background just like the terrorists wannabes they are.
15 posted on 02/14/2009 4:31:53 PM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactamundo,its terror/communism just filling the vacancies that we leave....


16 posted on 02/14/2009 4:32:44 PM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: AuntB

What happened to the rancher who was on trial for capturing illegals? The illegals sued him for false imprisonment, among other things.


17 posted on 02/14/2009 4:36:39 PM PST by uscabjd ( a)
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To: rodguy911

You’re welcome rodguy911 and I agree — repetition is good.


18 posted on 02/14/2009 4:44:05 PM PST by Cindy
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To: uscabjd

The trial is in progress.

Deported for drugs, illegal sues rancher
Sat Feb 14 08:00:46 2009
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185604/posts


19 posted on 02/14/2009 4:44:53 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB

We have no journalists anymore.

Oh yeah, and no military leader either.

DAMNIT, Texas and Arizona is falling Obama! Stop trying to inflict communism on all of us and at least PRETEND to be President.


20 posted on 02/14/2009 4:48:56 PM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: Cindy
Not only that we have to counter the DBM’s lies at every chance we get. Probably the most important thing we can do here in addition to what you guys/gals do.
21 posted on 02/14/2009 4:49:14 PM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: AuntB
I'm so confused... What "war", AB??

I mean the only people coming to America from Mexico are "hard working" gardeners, restaurant help, baby-sitters, and tomato-pickers...

Oh - and they bring with then "family values" because I believe every word President George W. Bush has ever said about them and other Third World Illegal Invaders...er I mean immigrants - including, the phrase, "Islam is a Religion of Peace."

22 posted on 02/14/2009 4:54:27 PM PST by F16Fighter (Blame W. Bush who campaigned for victorious lib Specter instead of Toomey back in 2004 (1.5% diff))
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To: AuntB
But.... we captured the Michael Phelps bong... We won the WOD, and outlawed living plants created by G_d!

Wooo Hooo.... the last time prohibition gave us the Kenedies, and the Capones.

This time it looks like MS13 backed by AQ.

23 posted on 02/14/2009 5:14:18 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Proud non productive worker under directive 10-289)
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To: AuntB
Here's a plan to deprive the cartels of their main source of funding. Allow every American to grow 3 marijuana plants in their home.

It's legal under state law in Alaska to possess up to 3 or 4 ounces in your home, and they were clear headed enough to elect a decent governor.

What say you drug warriors?

24 posted on 02/14/2009 5:19:05 PM PST by Ken H
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To: rawcatslyentist

And borders give us coyotes

Breathing gives us murder

Genitalia gives us rape

Without drugs they’ll just find another means of funding their brutality. In fact, smuggling terrorists sounds extremely lucrative.


25 posted on 02/14/2009 5:21:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek
Without drugs they'll just find another means of funding their brutality. In fact, smuggling terrorists sounds extremely lucrative.

The cartels are slaughtering each other over market share in the drug trade, so clearly there is the incentive to seek new markets. If smuggling terrorists were extremely lucrative, they would already be doing it.

There is simply nothing as profitable for them as contraband marijuana. Why not deprive them of it?

26 posted on 02/14/2009 5:44:42 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

You really don’t pay much attention to what’s going on in the world do you. For one thing, they’re already smuggling islamic illegals into the country at many times the price they can get for a gardener.

any time you take one product out of black market control, another pops up. In west Africa as the UN gets control of the illegal diamond market, they have simply moved into smuggling other things. Charcoal has been surprisingly lucurative. Poaching is another old standby for africa.

Making things legal doesn’t make problems go away and I support decriminalization of Marijuana. However I don’t live with the fantasy that it will fix anything other than to stop filling prisons with nonviolent offenders.


27 posted on 02/14/2009 5:56:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: AuntB
Check out some of their gang names.

Think it's just about drugs? Think again.


28 posted on 02/14/2009 6:38:41 PM PST by TADSLOS
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To: Ken H

Works for me. Makes more sense than what we’re doing.


29 posted on 02/14/2009 6:57:57 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: bert
“Or, you are both wrong. It is really about money. Power is necessary to peddle the drug product and controll the money”

And money is what makes these people powerful enough to wage the kind of war with one another and the government that they are waging now in order to get more money and more power.

30 posted on 02/14/2009 7:10:07 PM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: AuntB; cripplecreek

Nothing is as profitable to these people as the drugs. The drug money, or the ability to keep what they have coming in and make more of it, is what they are fighting over, with each other and with the government. Without the drug money, they’d be street gangs, nowhere near as powerful than they are now. Taking a huge chunk of the money would make them much smaller and much less powerful.


31 posted on 02/14/2009 7:15:10 PM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: cripplecreek
For one thing, they're already smuggling islamic illegals into the country at many times the price they can get for a gardener.

You're correct, of course. Here's the point I meant to make. Since the cartels are in a deadly war with each other over market share, I see no reason why they would not already be maximizing their profits from smuggling terrorists.

As I understand your argument, you're saying that if drug profits were removed, there would be an increase in terrorist smuggling by the cartels. Is that your position?

any time you take one product out of black market control, another pops up. In west Africa as the UN gets control of the illegal diamond market, they have simply moved into smuggling other things. Charcoal has been surprisingly lucurative. Poaching is another old standby for africa.

During the years of the illegal diamond trade, did poaching go down significantly? Afterward, was there a significant rise? As I understand your argument, that should have been the case.

Making things legal doesn't make problems go away and I support decriminalization of Marijuana. However I don't live with the fantasy that it will fix anything other than to stop filling prisons with nonviolent offenders.

Agree that decriminalization would do little to the drug cartels. However, a well regulated legal mj market would deprive the cartels of their most profitable market. Do you agree or disagree with that assertion?

32 posted on 02/14/2009 7:31:14 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Do you agree or disagree with that assertion?

Honestly I'm just not sure. Back in my smoking days we called Mexican pot "dirtweed" simply because it was so bad. Huge amounts of much higher quality stuff are being grown right here in the states and in Canada. Obviously there is pot coming in from Mexico but I think it's the harder drugs that are bringing profit.
33 posted on 02/14/2009 7:43:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek
Obviously there is pot coming in from Mexico but I think it's the harder drugs that are bringing profit.

Do you agree that a legal market in the US would deprive the cartels of that portion of their funding which comes from marijuana?

And I also wanted to clarify whether or not you are contending that denying drug profits to the cartels would increase the smuggling of terrorists into this country.

34 posted on 02/14/2009 9:03:40 PM PST by Ken H
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To: AuntB
Congressman King is running for senate.
He will be one if the honorees at the New York Young Republican Club's 6th Annual Ronald Reagan Birthday Celebration & Awards Dinner on Wednesday February 18th.
35 posted on 02/14/2009 9:45:22 PM PST by rmlew
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To: AuntB

Thanks for posting this.


36 posted on 02/15/2009 6:14:32 AM PST by Dante3
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To: cripplecreek
“Obviously there is pot coming in from Mexico but I think it's the harder drugs that are bringing profit.”

Nope. According to the ONDCP Mexican cartels bringing in about $13.8 billion a year selling Americans drugs, $8.6 billion from marijuana alone. That's about 62% of their their gross proceeds from drug sales to Americans. The second most popular drug is cocaine. The ONDCP estimates that the cartels bring in about $3.9 billion a year from that, about a billion from meth, and around $270 million from heroin.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/022208dnintdrugs.3a98bb0.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-02-21-2221217072_x.htm

According to the USDOJ’s National Drug Threat Assessment for 2009 these Mexican drug trafficking organizations produced 15,500 metric tons of marijuana in 2007, with most of it coming here. The last government estimate I saw on total supply here was that between 12,000 and 25,000 metric tons are available on the market in a given year. It is probable that most of the marijuana on the market in the US comes from Mexico. In the part of the South where I live I am sure that is the case. I have handled thousands of pounds worth of marijuana mule cases and more marijuana possession cases than I can count. About all I ever see in the little evidence bags the police bring in is compressed Mexican pot.

2009 National Drug Threat Assessment:
http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs31/31379/marijuan.htm#Top

In the same drug threat assessment you will estimates for Canadian production are much lower, about 1,300 metric tons or so and their government at least believes most is consumed in Canada. Many tons will come in from Canada but it is still only a small amount of what is on the market in the states. Most of the Canadian pot that comes in is sold to end consumers in states on the Canadian border.

Also, just FYI, Mexican pot smuggled into this country is increasing in potency too, according to the government's potency reports and everything I've been hearing. It's still nothing like indoor grown bud but they're using better seeds to begin with and doing a better job of removing the male plants so that it is not always so seedy like it used to be.

37 posted on 02/15/2009 9:14:47 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: SmallGovRepub; cripplecreek
I said they were grossing about $270 million a year fron heroin and meant to type “$370 million.”
38 posted on 02/15/2009 9:16:24 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: AuntB; BGHater; Pusterfuss; DieHard the Hunter; RedRedRose; SatinDoll; bastantebueno55; SisterK; ...

Zetas ping!

Even more specifically, we are at war with Satan.


39 posted on 02/15/2009 9:17:57 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Mexico - beyond your expectations.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

My solution is that all the potheads can move to mexico and create utopia.


40 posted on 02/15/2009 9:25:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: All

America needs more so in its history right now a President in charge that has no qualms about going to war be it home or abroad, the sooner we get Obama out the sooner we can show that we will not be subjugated or threatened or even blackmailed by enemies, nations or individuals wishing harm upon us.

Every day he is in office our enemies creep closer and become more embolden.

Its time for 4th and long, we need to flood the airwaves and truly educate America with the illegal position that Obama has usurped by his flagrant disregard of the laws of the Constitution of his eligibility.


41 posted on 02/15/2009 9:27:47 AM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: cripplecreek
Asking again:

Do you agree that a legal market in the US would deprive the cartels of that portion of their funding which comes from marijuana?

And I also wanted to clarify whether or not you are contending that denying drug profits to the cartels would increase the smuggling of terrorists into this country. Is that your contention or isn't it?

42 posted on 02/15/2009 9:52:17 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Sure legal marijuana would cut into their profits but they would simply turn to smuggling other things and terrorists are only one of those things.

However serious border control is the single most effective means and yes I’m still OK with marijuana decriminalization.


43 posted on 02/15/2009 9:56:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek
Sure legal marijuana would cut into their profits but they would simply turn to smuggling other things and terrorists are only one of those things.

Why do you say they would "turn to" smuggling terrorists - aren't they doing that already? Asking once more, is it your position that depriving the cartels of their drug profits would increase the smuggling of terrorists - YES or NO?

However serious border control is the single most effective means and yes I'm still OK with marijuana decriminalization.

We both agreed that decrimnalization wouldn't put a dent in the cartels. Are you OK with a well regulated, legal market (which is NOT the same as decriminalizing) for mj, say along the lines of alcohol?

44 posted on 02/15/2009 10:32:08 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

It probably would increase terrorist smuggling to some extent but that’s not the entire point. After all $2000 to bring a mexican gardener across the border pales in comparison to bringing an unknown for $20,000 The fact is that the money would find its way into the same hands by other means.

As far as the drugs are concerned I just don’t care anymore and this attempt to mastrubate about drugs on any thread about Mexico is more than just a little tiresome. Fact is, legalizing drugs will only lead to another whole set of laws and costs.


45 posted on 02/15/2009 10:45:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: AuntB

“....demanding that the Mexican government and our own government provides us with all the details of these incursions.”
I’m sure that the Mexican Government, who are in charge of the Mexican Military escorting the drug runners into the USA, will give us exactly the information we desire.
(sarcasm)


46 posted on 02/15/2009 1:42:01 PM PST by whipitgood (Real Americans don't allow socialists to take over their country.)
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To: AuntB

Thanks for the ping. This is serious stuff.


47 posted on 02/15/2009 4:23:07 PM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: cripplecreek
It probably would increase terrorist smuggling to some extent but that's not the entire point. After all $2000 to bring a mexican gardener across the border pales in comparison to bringing an unknown for $20,000

So these cartels are killing each other over a finite amount of drug profits, yet they are passing up opportunities to make $20,000 a pop. You don't actually buy that you?

The fact is that the money would find its way into the same hands by other means.

Rubbish. You saw the figures posted to you by SmallGovRepub. Where are they going to get the money to replace 62% of their income?

As far as the drugs are concerned I just don't care anymore and this attempt to mastrubate about drugs on any thread about Mexico is more than just a little tiresome.

Does that mean you type with one hand when posting on drug war threads?

Fact is, legalizing drugs will only lead to another whole set of laws and costs.

Fact is, you dodged the question, again. I asked specifically about marijuana, not drugs in general:

Are you OK with a well regulated, legal market (which is NOT the same as decriminalizing) for mj, say along the lines of alcohol?

What say you?

48 posted on 02/15/2009 4:28:50 PM PST by Ken H
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