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Indians involved in major US H-1B visa racket
Times of India ^

Posted on 02/14/2009 4:29:55 PM PST by Tempest

WASHINGTON: US federal authorities have claimed to have unearthed a major H-1B visa racket with the arrest of at least 11 persons, most of them suspected to be of Indian origin.

Though the officials did not reveal the citizenship of those arrested, the names released indicated that almost all of them are either Indian or persons of Indian origin.

Vision Systems Group, an IT company headquartered in South Plainfield New Jersey, has been indicted on 10 federal counts including conspiracy and mail fraud charge. Viswa Mandalapu is its CEO and president, according to the information available on the company's website.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofindia.indiatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america4sale; cheaplabor; immigration; india; indians; visafraud
And the next time some jackass says that they're outsourcing to India or some other country please remind them that the average income for a SENIOR Software Engineer in India is only $10,000 dollars a year.

Then ask the same jackass if would like to take a pay cut in order to be more competative. Of course I must be inciting "Class Warfare" for pointing out such absurd imbalances. . .

1 posted on 02/14/2009 4:29:55 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Tempest

Visa fraud? Wow, who knew?

Mike Cutler has been warning about this for years. He testifies to congress frequently, which shows you how much attention they give this.


2 posted on 02/14/2009 4:37:38 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Tempest
"Rah-keet? Wot ees dees rah-keet ting dat eet ees you arrr tokkingg abot? Wee noo noting about such a ting" said a representative, via a muffled VOIP connection with an annoying, half second lag.
3 posted on 02/14/2009 4:41:43 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Eagles2003; Will88; bronxboy; zeestephen; stylin19a; Califreak; Drango; prophetic; DannyTN; ...

ping


4 posted on 02/14/2009 4:43:00 PM PST by Tempest (Greed is putting money before PEOPLE.)
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To: Tempest

By and large the Indians I know are extremely productive citizens and highly educated and I’ve seen very few cases of (illegal)immigration fraud among them which by itself is a wonder here in NYC. I’m a big anti-illegal immigrant guy and I do feel that even the legal immigrants that are allowed into the US should be stopped. But I have to say we could much worse than Indian immigrants.


5 posted on 02/14/2009 4:47:14 PM PST by Larry381 (Politicians are like diapers - they should be changed frequently, and for the same reason)
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To: Tempest
Indians involved in major US H-1B visa racket

And all this time they claimed they never went off the reservation.

6 posted on 02/14/2009 4:51:40 PM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Not the tonto kind, but the 7-11 kind... pfft. ;)

Besides, this isn’t about the origins of the workers as much as it’s about the bastard employers trying to short change the American work force.


7 posted on 02/14/2009 4:55:11 PM PST by Tempest (Greed is putting money before PEOPLE.)
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To: Larry381

I watched a couple episodes of Morgan Spurlock’s show 30 days and was actually surprised by the balance. (the couple I saw anyway)

On one show he had an IT professional who’s job was outsourced, go to India and do his job there. Mostly I was impressed with the foresight of the Indians. They know that they’re living in a boom time that will end when someone cheaper comes along. Also interesting was their concern that they’re losing their way of life. The guy said that his family is disintigrating because they all work different hours and don’t have meals or pray together anymore.


8 posted on 02/14/2009 4:56:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Larry381

I agree, many people from India are very decent and law abiding. They are just looking to make a living as well. It’s actually the black hearts of the employers that are trying to depress the wages.

They invite the H1-B visa workers here in order to undercut American wages. The Indian person is just a pawn, the EMPLOYER is the one who is really responsible.


9 posted on 02/14/2009 4:58:35 PM PST by Tempest (Greed is putting money before PEOPLE.)
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To: Tempest

I posted this on an earlier thread about the same thing....

Here is another nasty little secret that many do not know about. In order to get an H1-B, the person must be sponsored by the employer. In most cases these are temporary or contract workers who are employed by an Indian consulting firm or temporary firm. They are then placed on a contract or a project at a client, like AT&T or Phillips Petroleum. The Indian firm is the employer so they sponsor the indian worker, they are put up in shoddy housing with at least two persons per room, usually more. They are paid extremely low for their skill set, maybe 60% less than the prevailing wage, but they are still billed at a high rate, just less than what an American would get. Example, Indian company pays Kumar a $20/ hour rate but bills Phillips Petroleum $70 / hour for his services. The American with the degree from University of Florida has a pay rate of $55 / hour and his American consulting firm has to bill him to Phillips at $80 / hour. Phillips will take the Indian.

Why will the Indian be willing to accept such a low wage? Because he wants a green card. There is a waiting period to get one. If he leaves his current company and takes a new job at a different company his sponsorship is no longer valid, unless the original sponsor transfers the sponsorship. If he has to get a brand new sponsorship, he legally cannot be here and work until the new sponsorship is approved, it’s government so it takes a while. So he risks being deported and on top of that, the waiting period for his green card resets to the current sponsorship. The Indian companies will NOT transfer a sponsorship and all the Indians know this. I have also heard that in many instances, the Indian company will hold onto the Indian worker’s passport. As a result, they are basically indentured servants and will put up with it until they get their green card. Once they get their green card, they want that very same $55 / hour rate that they originally kept an American from getting. I deal with the Indian firms every day, day in and day out...


10 posted on 02/14/2009 5:01:26 PM PST by coon2000
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To: Tempest

11 posted on 02/14/2009 5:03:27 PM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Tempest
"the EMPLOYER is the one who is really responsible."

Yeah, you're right. The employers should just close up shop, fire everyone, and retire. Atlas Shrugged.

Don't worry. It's coming. Every business owner I know is contemplating just that.

12 posted on 02/14/2009 5:04:52 PM PST by ChicagahAl
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To: Tempest
it’s about the bastard employers

They speak with forked tongue, and are Indian givers of visas.

13 posted on 02/14/2009 5:06:03 PM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: ChicagahAl

Laws are for other people?


14 posted on 02/14/2009 5:10:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek
"Laws are for other people?"

Laws are for everyone (except, apparently, Democrat politicians).

My comment was strictly a response to the comment denigrating employers. I suspect you knew that.

15 posted on 02/14/2009 5:15:05 PM PST by ChicagahAl (<P>)
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To: ChicagahAl

Yes I did and “employers” who hire illegals or otherwise seek to undercut Americans are no better than crack dealers.


16 posted on 02/14/2009 5:24:01 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Tempest
Another factor is that employers hold those H-1B visas over the heads of those employees. The pay them poor wages and treat them like crap because the employees can't quit without losing the visa.

My sister worked for a small biomedical consulting firm that did this to its H-1B workers, and the employers were Indian-Americans.

17 posted on 02/14/2009 5:30:37 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ChicagahAl

These “employers” who do everything they can to circumvent American workers and bring foreigners here instead, so they can be paid slave wages, are criminals in my book.


18 posted on 02/14/2009 5:33:58 PM PST by kamikaze2000
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To: USNBandit

Unemployed software kind of American here. This week talking to an Indian company. Rude, poor communications, sloppy. I imagine they preferred Indian candidates. Who should I talk to ? Congressman?


19 posted on 02/14/2009 5:36:23 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: USNBandit

My uncle closed the doors on his IT business because he couldn’t remain competitive hiring Americans in the face of incoming H1B visa holders. Said his conscience was more important than the money. He’s teaching now.


20 posted on 02/14/2009 5:36:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: kamikaze2000; cripplecreek; ChicagahAl

Those poor employers are so repressed by government taxes regulation that, with the normal profit motive in mind, they exploit every legal loophole available to stay competitive.

American worker’s are not under attack by American employers, but by their own, greedy government. Taxes, regulations and lawsuits are the enemy of both labor and business.

You are looking up the wrong skirt, if you think otherwise.


21 posted on 02/14/2009 5:45:29 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Tempest

The H1B program is an absolute fraud whose only purpose is to bring in cheap, indentured servants willing to work at any wage under any conditions in hope of eventually obtaining a green card. It flys in the face if the 13th Amendment (that’s the one that bans slavery). It should be eiliminated immediately.


22 posted on 02/14/2009 5:50:01 PM PST by LuxAerterna
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To: ChicagahAl

Those are just the worthless self absorbed business owners. I hope they do close up shop so that deent people will take their place.

We don’t need worthless traitors that want to undercut their ountrymen for a buck.


23 posted on 02/14/2009 5:51:49 PM PST by Tempest (Greed is putting money before PEOPLE.)
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To: Tempest

This is too little too late. We have thousands of Indians, Chinese and Malaysians in Silicon Valley and elsewhere who are required to leave the US when they are laid off but continue to remain, enter into false marriages or otherwise go into hiding. This is a completely broken down system. We need to stop all H1B visas except for those with extraordinarily scientifically skilled individuals. Go after the immigration attorneys in the US. Frog-march a few of them and set an example. Many of them are Indian and Chinese attorneys.


24 posted on 02/14/2009 6:15:11 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Tempest
"Those are just the worthless self absorbed business owners."

That's a quote from Karl Marx, right?

Well, don't worry Karl. Obama is going to grant your wish. The only business owner is going to be the Federal Government. And I'm sure the Democrats who run the government will be much more fair than those dirty Capitalists and Free Traders you hate so much.

25 posted on 02/14/2009 6:18:26 PM PST by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: Tempest
About a year ago , someone posted that the Indians were the only honest group coming in to the country. LOL, Sure , Sure

Not to mention out sourcing and cheap H-1B visa really helps in the sells of those millions of over priced home.

26 posted on 02/14/2009 7:29:15 PM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: org.whodat

Yeah but those million dollar homes are more likely being sold to the traitorous jerks seling out their countrymen as opposed to the Indian Visa worker. Because we all know that they’re being paid less than their American counterpart.


27 posted on 02/14/2009 7:31:45 PM PST by Tempest (Greed is putting money before PEOPLE.)
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To: Tempest
the bastard employers trying to short change the American work force.

The bastard employers think they can work illegals make a fast buck and someone else will pay a good wage to buy their worthless products. Hope many of the bastard home builders enjoy eating the paint off of all those illegal built homes.

28 posted on 02/14/2009 7:32:53 PM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: ChicagahAl

Ohhh the accusations soo boring, so overused.

One might equate you to Benedict Arnold or William Ayers...


29 posted on 02/14/2009 7:34:27 PM PST by Tempest (Greed is putting money before PEOPLE.)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


30 posted on 02/14/2009 7:35:32 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: cripplecreek
I posted something like that once and someone accused me of being anti business. LOL
31 posted on 02/14/2009 7:38:21 PM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: org.whodat

Not anti business, just pro American.


32 posted on 02/14/2009 7:45:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

YES!!!


33 posted on 02/14/2009 7:50:54 PM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: 1010RD
American worker’s are not under attack by American employers

They're getting it from both sides. The US CoC is one of the most virulently anti-American organizations in operation.

I ran a small construction sub-contracting business in my early 20's. When the onslaught of illegals started, I faced a choice of either closing shop or hiring illegals because unscrupulous people were hiring illegals and lowballing everyone else out of work. The savings were never passed to the consumer as far as I could tell. The GC's were just pocketing the difference.

Net result - half the quality, same price to the consumer, and anyone with a conscience is out of business.
34 posted on 02/14/2009 9:59:16 PM PST by CowboyJay (Stop picking on Porkulus. He's not fat, he's just big-boned.)
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To: org.whodat

Yeah I have very little sympathy for them.


35 posted on 02/14/2009 11:15:41 PM PST by Tempest (Greed is putting money before PEOPLE.)
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To: org.whodat

Indians rank high for me as far as immigrant but yes....there is cheating and skulduggery. Also thanks to Jorge’s attitudes we know have American educated immigration lawyers who are Indians and Chinese etc etc who keep their fellow countrymen from being deported

I hear the numbers of illegal Muslims from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh is very very high


36 posted on 02/15/2009 1:24:29 AM PST by dennisw (Archimedes--- Give me a place to stand, and I will move the Earth)
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To: CowboyJay
They're getting it from both sides. The US CoC is one of the most virulently anti-American organizations in operation.

Chamber of Commerce is so pro immigrant (legal and illegal) and anti American worker. They are lower than whale shite
37 posted on 02/15/2009 1:27:03 AM PST by dennisw (Archimedes--- Give me a place to stand, and I will move the Earth)
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To: 1010RD

America has one of the lowest effective corporate income taxes in the developed world. American employers chase after the H1B’s because they are cheap, and Indian-American employers who do the hiring will openly discriminate against non-Indians, but thats another story. Suppose the U.S. government stopped taxing businesses altogether, do you think employers will stop hiring H1B’s? Fat chance.


38 posted on 02/15/2009 6:21:35 AM PST by cmdjing
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To: cmdjing
America has one of the lowest effective corporate income taxes in the developed world.

Would you share your source for that info? I am very interested in seeing it because my studies indicate the opposite. Are you using VAT in that analysis?

In regards to the natural drive for lower costs, this is not a disease that "businesses" suffer from. It is a normal human response to all resources. We like them cheaper and faster. What it means for labor is don't count on your government or your employer count on yourself.

We will never return to a somewhat imaginary state, and one that at best was short lived, where you could expect lifetime employment. Better to be your own boss and get the tax benefits being a contractor brings.

Taxwise that is the direction we are being driven in

39 posted on 02/15/2009 8:18:26 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: cmdjing; 1010RD

America has one of the lowest effective corporate income taxes in the developed world

Perhaps you got distracted when you were typing this.

Currently, the average combined federal and state corporate tax rate in the U.S. is 39.3 percent, second among OECD countries to Japan’s combined rate of 39.5 percent.1 Lowering the federal rate to 30.5 percent would only lower the U.S.’s ranking to fifth highest among industrialized countries.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/22917.html

The U.S. Does Have World’s Second Highest Corporate Tax Rate

http://blog.heritage.org/2008/06/16/the-us-does-have-worlds-second-highest-corporate-tax-rate/


40 posted on 02/15/2009 9:45:48 AM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: cmdjing; sgtyork

Cmdjing,

SgtYork has posted the same research I have. Our rates are very high.

It is my understanding that US corporations are holding some $300-800 billion overseas due to tax issues. If we lowered the rate or better made it zero, all that money would flow back into the US. It would lower interest rates, increase funds for investment without govt. borrowing, and would drive entrepreneurship and job creation.

Add over-regulation & lawsuit madness to taxes and you’ve got the formula for job destruction.


41 posted on 02/15/2009 11:20:37 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: coon2000
That is a pretty good summary of the situation. I work in the industry and know the truth like you do. The H1B program is not the fault of the workers. Unfortunately the are being treated exactly as indentured servants used to be. They have no out until they get a green card, if their contract ends abruptly (which is likely in this market), their firm will keep them on the books so they do not have to return to India. However, under the H1B program they are supposed to leave if they can't find another sponsored within 30 days. They will sit here unpaid before they will risk going home and trying to return. That is the real crime of the H1B’s, they are supposed to be temporarily filling a need, but they are really permanent.
42 posted on 02/15/2009 11:30:57 AM PST by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: AuntB
We many people out of work, there is no reason for importing people from India, some of whom no doubt are terrorists. In December the writer Lenin Kumar, a Hindu, was arrested by the Indian police because he wrote a book blaming Hindus for the killings of Christians. These killings by Hindus have received relatively little attention.
43 posted on 02/15/2009 11:47:10 AM PST by Dante3
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