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Ten "Best" and "Worst" Presidents
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Posted on 02/14/2009 10:56:52 PM PST by Eleutheria5

(Feb. 14) - It's no surprise to see Abraham Lincoln, the man who held the nation together when it was on the brink of collapse, atop the list of greatest American presidents. But many other presidents are judged far differently by experts than by the general public. Bill Clinton left office with a high approval rating, but a panel of writers who focus on US politics and foreign affairs at the Times, a British publication, considered him mediocre. The president who passed progressive legislation but who saddled himself with the Monica Lewinsky scandal landed at number 23. As panelist Ben Macintyre put it, Clinton "promised so much, delivered so little and embarrassed everyone." The panel of 8 judges ranked some modern day presidents like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush at far ends of the spectrum. And others were close: John F. Kennedy missed the top 10 by one spot and Jimmy Carter barely managed to escape the bottom 10. Click through the galleries below to see how these experts ranked American leaders and the reasons why. Further down the page you can tell us if you agree and test your knowledge with our presidential quiz. The full list is here.

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KEYWORDS: academicbias; bushbashing; leftistlies; liberalbias; lincoln; presidents; reagan
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These "experts," it seems, can't even be consistent, let alone honest. Abraham Lincoln was Prez Numero Uno because he finally prevailed in the civil war, after mishandling it for five years. Grant, in one battle, lost more men in one day of fighting than we lost in five years of fighting in Iraq. The generals he employed sent the Union armies out to defeat after defeat, lied to the public, and allowed their procurement system to become riddled with corruption and theft. Had Sherman not sacked Atlanta in October of 1864, Lincoln would not have been reelected, and the Union would have negotiated an unpalatable armistice with the Confederacy. As for civil rights, what part of "suspended habaeus corpus" don't these "experts" get? Oh, and isn't having your generals burn a city and several regions to the ground count as a war crime?

Then let's look at Dubya, ranked 37th worse in a tie with Richard M. Nixon. Yes, he did mishandle the occupation of Iraq for a time. But in the end, he prevailed, just like Lincoln did. Yes, homeland security is still not what it should be, but at the same time, he kept us safe from terrorist attacks by keeping the terrorists busy going down to defeat in Iraq, which is now emerging as a new democracy, the first positive change in the Middle East since 1967 (heh). And what's up with those quotes around the "war on terror"? Would they work to downplay "World War II," which their number 3 best president used to justify the massive internment of US citizens of Japanese descent? Finally, they bizzarely mention Dubya's approval rating at the end of his term. But their number 8 best president, Ronald Reagan, also left office with low approval ratings over Iran-Contra! Since when are approval ratings even a factor in determining the historical worth of a president?

These "experts," I suspect, are a bunch of left-leaning, ivory tower-skulking academics without an ounce of integrity between the lot of them. Dubya is in the spot more appropriate for Jimmy Carter. As for his ultimate place in history, let's wait ten years or more to find out. Such judgments are best made posthumously.

1 posted on 02/14/2009 10:56:52 PM PST by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5
Apparently Carter and LBJ were just peachy keen. One mismanaged the Vietnam war. were we lost more then 10 times what we have lost in Iraq. And the other emboldened terrorists and dictators.
2 posted on 02/14/2009 11:01:50 PM PST by JimC214
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To: Eleutheria5

Definitely left wing, ivory tower types.

W’s main problem was his inability to communicate forcefully, and effectively. However, even then, these types wouldn’t have liked him. Perhaps they might have hated him a little less.


3 posted on 02/14/2009 11:04:40 PM PST by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: Eleutheria5

It’s ridiculous to judge so early, but O’Bama is certainly looking good for worst right now. What a horrible first month.


4 posted on 02/14/2009 11:06:06 PM PST by Rastus
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To: JimC214

Let’s not forget Carter’s record high unemployment rate, interest rates, inflation rates, and disgraceful behavior since leaving office. While we’re at it, let’s talk about LBJ’s “war on poverty”. In brief, poverty’s alive and well. LBJ isn’t.


5 posted on 02/14/2009 11:07:01 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html. Donate to members.tripod.com/tva_israel/HOME.HTM)
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To: Eleutheria5
Top 10:
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. Franklin Roosevelt
4. Jefferson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Eisenhower
7. Truman
8. Reagan
9. Polk
10. Wilson

Worst 10: 1. Buchanan
2. Pierce
3. Van Buren
4. William Henry Harrison
5. (tie) Nixon
5. (tie) George W. Bush
7. Hoover
8. Harding
9. (tie) Garfield
10. (tie) Filmore

Of interesting note: Wilson established the Federal Reserve in his first term and led America into World War I in his second term. I would have put him in the worse 10 for those very same reasons.

6 posted on 02/14/2009 11:07:24 PM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: period end of story

W deserves his ranking. Sorry he has made a mess of everything. His bills are still arriving. For example, he signed the bill that won’t allow kids under eleven to have anything with any lead in it at all. This is a thread on FR if you would like to read.


7 posted on 02/14/2009 11:08:45 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: KarlInOhio

Gee whiz. What would we have done if all those antiquated monarchist regimes had continued to beat each other bloody ‘til 1920? That War To End All Wars thing sure worked out great.


8 posted on 02/14/2009 11:10:49 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html. Donate to members.tripod.com/tva_israel/HOME.HTM)
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To: period end of story
these types wouldn’t have liked him. Perhaps they might have hated him a little less.

No, they would have hated him just the same ...

(To paraphrase your screename, Period. End. Of. Story.)

9 posted on 02/14/2009 11:11:29 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Eleutheria5

Lincoln would be nothing had not Thomas Jefferson come before him. Just sayin.


10 posted on 02/14/2009 11:11:50 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: napscoordinator
This is a thread on FR if you would like to read.

Why don't you read it for me , and maybe I'll learn something.

11 posted on 02/14/2009 11:13:49 PM PST by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: Eleutheria5

These lefty “experts” write the history books. Dubya will stay in the toilet on these lists.


12 posted on 02/14/2009 11:14:54 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Eleutheria5
What would we have done if all those antiquated monarchist regimes had continued to beat each other bloody ‘til 1920?

Then all the European combatants in the Great War would have collapsed in bloody exhaustion, and worked out some sort of Agreement to Cease Hostilities.

No Treaty of Versailles, no economic collapse of Germany, no rise of Adolph Hitler.

I trust you can take it from there.

"The Great War" would still be known as "The Great War".

13 posted on 02/14/2009 11:14:55 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eleutheria5

We’re still picking up leftovers from that war. Balkans? Post WWI division of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Iraq? Post WWI division of the Ottoman Empire. Israel and everyone else in the empire? Also the breakup of the Ottoman Empire with the addition of the British Balfour declaration.


14 posted on 02/14/2009 11:15:19 PM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
(To paraphrase your screename, Period. End. Of. Story.)

Better.

15 posted on 02/14/2009 11:16:07 PM PST by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: KarlInOhio

It’s even worse. The U.S. military was poorly funded and poorly equipped due to Wilson’s policies, prior to asking for a Declaration of war. The solders didn’t even have helmets!


16 posted on 02/14/2009 11:16:31 PM PST by MCF
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To: napscoordinator

W infuriated me with his plans for immigration amnesty, his 11th-hour bailouts of financial institutions that should have gotten a mercy bullet, his failure to pardon Libby, and his inability to control spending. I don’t doubt that he’s outlawed lead pencils.

But he accomplished great things at the same time, things that O’Bama cannot even Hope! to match, and will probably Change!, i.e, sabotage. I don’t know if he deserved to be in the top 10, but he certainly didn’t deserve to be in the bottom 10, either.


17 posted on 02/14/2009 11:18:03 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html. Donate to members.tripod.com/tva_israel/HOME.HTM)
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To: period end of story

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185948/posts

lol. Here you go.


18 posted on 02/14/2009 11:18:54 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Eleutheria5
Jimmy Carter barely managed to escape the bottom 10

That's all one needs to see to know whoever ranked the presidents were idiots. Carter was the worst US president of the modern era and quite possibly of all time.

19 posted on 02/14/2009 11:19:34 PM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

“These lefty “experts” write the history books. Dubya will stay in the toilet on these lists.”

If that were true, Ronald Reagan would be a dirty word. Their hatred is a sure sign that Dubya will be treated better down the line.


20 posted on 02/14/2009 11:20:57 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html. Donate to members.tripod.com/tva_israel/HOME.HTM)
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To: KarlInOhio
4. William Henry Harrison

Wasn't Harrison only in office 30 days? And for those 30 days, wasn't he in bed with pneumonia because he gave a 2 hour inaugural speech in the freezing rain and then finally croaked? I mean... not particularly brilliant, but how can they even gauge that he is the 4th worst president? He didn't do anything! Jeez, going by those standards, O-Drama should also be in the Top 5 all time worst.

But give him time. I'm sure he'll move to the number 1 spot before 6 months are up.

21 posted on 02/14/2009 11:21:05 PM PST by ponygirl (Obama: All beans, no weiner.)
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To: period end of story

That woiyks too :)

22 posted on 02/14/2009 11:21:29 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: ponygirl

“Jeez, going by those standards, O-Drama should also be in the Top 5 all time worst.

But give him time. I’m sure he’ll move to the number 1 spot before 6 months are up.”

Those world-class diamond thieves who reform for love do tend to make poor presidents. What did they finally do to the Hope Diamond, anyway?


23 posted on 02/14/2009 11:27:38 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html. Donate to members.tripod.com/tva_israel/HOME.HTM)
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To: Eleutheria5

Half of their Top Ten should be in the Bottom Ten.


24 posted on 02/14/2009 11:30:56 PM PST by Aroostook25
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To: Eleutheria5
US intervention might have even lengthened the war on the Western Front. France was on the verge of collapse with army units mutinying in 1917. If the US hadn't sent in troops France likely would have lost the war and had to pay reparations and give up some more territory to Germany in addition to Alsace and Lorraine which they had lost in the Franco-Prussian war.
25 posted on 02/14/2009 11:32:15 PM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: Eleutheria5
Jimmy Carter barely managed to escape the bottom

He is my "favorite" WORST prez.

26 posted on 02/14/2009 11:32:53 PM PST by Righting
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To: highlander_UW

I know its been repeated time and time again ad-infinitum, but the only reason why Jimmah Carter ever even got near the White House is because of the Watergate scandal, a third rate political scandal which was discovered and exploited by a third rate media monopoly. Meanwhile, more second and first rate political scandals have flourished since then, but the third rate media monopoly turns a blind eye to them as they have become complicit and favorable to their party of favor - Democrats.


27 posted on 02/14/2009 11:34:05 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: KarlInOhio
Those lists are BS.

Consider the Top 10. FDR is our most overrated president. He was flailing about trying to fix the Depression but managed only to extend it and make it worse. It took Hitler and Tojo to rescue his reputation.

Then there's Woody Wilson, the Professor, allegedly our highest IQ president. What did he do? He gave us the income tax and screwed up the aftermath of WW I, leading to Hitler. I agree, he belongs in the ten worst.

Now consider the Bottom 10. Both Johnsons are missing, not to mention the peanut farmin' nuclear physicist with big teeth! Be serious!

Milhous probably belongs on that list, but I predict GWB is going to end up ranking about where HST is.

28 posted on 02/14/2009 11:38:28 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: JimC214

I’d say W.H. Harrison and Garfield do not deserve to be ranked among the worst, because neither of them served long enough to do any damage.


29 posted on 02/14/2009 11:38:36 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Nothing attracts federal investment like repeated failure)
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To: Eleutheria5

These ‘expert’ lists. Silly. Any list that doesn’t put Washington in the No. 1 spot is unrealistic in my opinion, but it’s downhill from there FDR at #3? Woodrow Wilson in the top 10???????


30 posted on 02/14/2009 11:38:56 PM PST by americanophile
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To: Eleutheria5
Worst Pres = Harrison (too stupid to come in out of the rain)Then...Sam Grant and Andrew Jackson (who I personally think BO is immulating) ... followed by Jimmy Carter & LBJ. FDR --- typical rat; last term spells out exactly who, what and why he was a bottom-feeding looser.

No way George Washington wasn't #1. There wouldn't have been anymore if he hadn't held it together.

31 posted on 02/14/2009 11:39:12 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: Eleutheria5
What did they finally do to the Hope Diamond, anyway?

The last time I saw it it was in the Smithsonian.

32 posted on 02/14/2009 11:40:08 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I don’t buy that. Reagan has enough popularity to be a token
on the list.


33 posted on 02/14/2009 11:40:44 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: KarlInOhio

In my list, FDR was by far the worst President.


34 posted on 02/14/2009 11:41:42 PM PST by dalereed
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To: napscoordinator
It's absurd to judge George W. Bush this soon. He's been out of office for less than 30 days. Any historian worth his salt would know not to attempt to judge a contemporary.
35 posted on 02/14/2009 11:44:04 PM PST by americanophile
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To: highlander_UW

Agreed. It’s quite frustrating to read all the lib infected internet sites such as aol, yahoo, etc. Although I will say one thing- Carter is 1st worst as of now. I have the utmost confidence that the BIG O will claim the prize from Jimbo very soon. AOL news = MORON DRONES


36 posted on 02/14/2009 11:45:51 PM PST by Xeroes80 ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools."- EH)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

It’s not about popularity. Reagan’s achievement was undeniable. So will Dubya’s be in Iraq, unless Obama manages to deliberately sabotage it; send Joe foot-in-mouth Biden over there, or something.


37 posted on 02/14/2009 11:46:12 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html. Donate to members.tripod.com/tva_israel/HOME.HTM)
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To: DuncanWaring

No doubt, a clever forgery. Don’t you watch South Park?


38 posted on 02/14/2009 11:47:32 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html. Donate to members.tripod.com/tva_israel/HOME.HTM)
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To: exhaustedmomma

39 posted on 02/14/2009 11:50:25 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: americanophile

That is true. I think that Bush will raise in the rankings some. Clinton will continue to slide down the list...he won’t get as low as Carter (nor should he) but he will fall. I am surprised at how quick Clinton has become “out of flavor” with the American people.


40 posted on 02/14/2009 11:50:28 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Eleutheria5

Nope. For all intents and purposes, I don’t watch TV at all.


41 posted on 02/14/2009 11:51:06 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Yawn another trite ranking of presidents. You did a good job criticizing it. There are really too many inconsistencies to even list them all.


42 posted on 02/14/2009 11:51:53 PM PST by JLS
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To: DuncanWaring

Neither do I, but Comedy Central.com has all the back episodes available at the click of your mouse.


43 posted on 02/14/2009 11:52:59 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html. Donate to members.tripod.com/tva_israel/HOME.HTM)
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To: Eleutheria5

My rankings (for them all!):

1. Washington
2. Lincoln
3. Reagan
4. Jefferson
5. T. Roosevelt
6. Eisenhower
7. Monroe
8. Polk
9. McKinley
10. Arthur
11. Truman
12. J.Q. Adams
13. Jackson
14. Madison
15. J. Adams
16. Bush II
17. Grant
18. Hayes
19. Tyler
20. Bush I
21. Van Buren
22. Coolidge
23. Taylor
24. Kennedy
25. Garfield
26. W.H. Harrison
27. Nixon
28. Cleveland
29. Hoover
30. Taft
31. Ford
32. B. Harrison
33. A. Johnson
34. Harding
35. Fillmore
36. Pierce
37. Buchanan
38. Wilson
39. FDR
40. LBJ
41. Clinton
42. Carter
43. Obama


44 posted on 02/14/2009 11:53:47 PM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I did once find the “Manbearpig” episode and watch it.


45 posted on 02/14/2009 11:54:39 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Agree on swapping Carter and Bush. I would have ranked Reagan higher than Eisenhower, who didn't do much during his presidency. Wilson should have been in the bottom ten. Garfield was assassinated four months into his administration. WTF? They blamed the guy for getting shot? Actually, I would have ranked Reagan only behind Washington and Jefferson, with Theodore Roosevelt at number 4. Lincoln was a man of great courage, but not, I think, a great President. Actually, no one knows what Lincoln would have liked to have done. He never got to implement a policy about anything except the Civil War. He would have preferred the South not secede, and would have allowed the slave states to remain so.
46 posted on 02/14/2009 11:55:35 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Yup. Wilson belongs in the bottom 10. I would put LBJ there as the only US President ever to abdicate during time of war. Then there’s Carter the fool who has done more than any living person to undermine peace in the ME. I think it could be argued that Reagan was the last truly ‘American’ President. We’ve had nothing but plutocratic internationalists since.


47 posted on 02/14/2009 11:57:46 PM PST by CowboyJay (Stop picking on Porkulus. He's not fat, he's just big-boned.)
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To: Eleutheria5

As a general question, did George Washington really do anything spectacular as President, other than setting a precedent for serving only two terms?

I’d certainly agree that in fighting and winning the Revolutionary War, he deserves the title “Greatest American”.


48 posted on 02/14/2009 11:58:52 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: KarlInOhio

In my opinion:

BEST
1. Abraham Lincoln, 1861-1865
2. George Washington, 1789-1797
3. Theodore Roosevelt, 1901-1909
4. Thomas Jefferson, 1801-1809
5. Ronald Reagan, 1981-1989
6. Andrew Jackson, 1829-1837
7. James Madison, 1809-1817
8. James Knox Polk, 1845-1849
9. Harry S. Truman, 1945-1953
10. Grover Cleveland, 1885-1889

WORST
1 James Buchanan, 1857-1861
2. Franklin Pierce, 1853-1857
3 Jimmy Carter, 1977-1981
4. Warren G Harding, 1921-1923
5. Ulysses S Grant, 1869-1877
6 Andrew Johnson, 1865-1869
7. Lyndon Baines Johnson, 1963-1969
8. Woodrow Wilson, 1913-1921
9. Chester A. Arthur, 1881-1885
10. John Tyler, 1841-1845

RATINGS PENDING, BUT AT LEAST BELOW AVERAGE:
William Jefferson Clinton, 1993-2001
Barack Hussein Obama, 2009-

Thus far, I would rank GWB as average, but we’ll have to see what effects his policies have after a decade or so has passed. Clinton is below average but not failure because he got a clue the 1994 Gingrinch revolution and took credit for some things the Republicans wanted like welfare reform. The jury is out on Obama, but if the rest of his term is like his first month in office, he’ll be a dismal failure.


49 posted on 02/15/2009 12:10:43 AM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: KarlInOhio
Wilson established the Federal Reserve in his first term and led America into World War I in his second term. I would have put him in the worse 10 for those very same reasons.

After campaigning specifically that he would keep us out of WWI. And it was stupid to W.H. Harrison in the worst ten. We have no idea how he would have done because he didn't get to do anything except get sick and die. He should be unranked with asterisk next to his name.

50 posted on 02/15/2009 12:18:28 AM PST by GATOR NAVY
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