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Starve The Beast (A FR Actvism Thread to Combat the Rape of the American Taxpayer)
my derranged cerebrum | Feb. 15th 2009 | Mad Dawgg

Posted on 02/15/2009 11:52:47 AM PST by Mad Dawgg

This Thread is to bring together Freepers to institute a legal way to Starve the US government of our Tax Dollars. Please add any and all suggestions to this thread for legal ways to STARVE THE BEAST!

Spread the Word to your Non-Freeper Friends. Show people how to keep more of their hard earned money and get more back from Uncle Obama.

OK so here goes:

So you feel like its all hopeless. You feel the inmates are in charge of the asylum.

Yeah its bad BUT there is something we can all do. AND it benefits yourself WHILE putting it to the looters in Washington.

First understand that the engine that drives Liberalism/ Socialism is taxpayer money. Without it they can't do all the crap they wish to.

So the first thing to do is strangle the dollars going to Washington on a weekly basis.

How you ask? Its simple really. Contact your employer and change your withholding on your W-2 Forms. Claim more dependents. This takes less out of your paycheck to send to Washington. (I suggest you claim one or two more than you actually have.)

Take that extra money per pay period and put it in a local bank in a Savings or Money Market account.

If at Tax Time you then owe some back you have it in your savings and you have made money on it rather than giving Uncle Sam a tax free loan on your money.

The next thing you can do is turn a hobby or interest into a legal side business and use it for more tax deductions. (Contact your accountant on the particulars on how to legally do such)

One of the benefits of turning a hobby into a side business is you can take a holiday vacation and legally turn most of it into a tax deduction.


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To: Mad Dawgg

Rather than schemes that might get people into trouble, a perfectly legal way to do things is to embarrass politicians on video over the fact that illegal aliens can get jobs under the plan. Ask a supporter about that on video, and upload it to Youtube. Here’s a question:

http://24ahead.com/ask-stimulus-bill-question-illegal-aliens-taking-jobs-us-cit


101 posted on 02/15/2009 3:00:17 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: Mad Dawgg

Learn how to sew and make your own clothes.

Start a garden and grow your own veggies.

Find a Community Sponsored Agriculture farm and “subscribe” to their produce.

Join a food coop.

More ideas here:

Live on Less and Love It
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2129863/posts

Operation Thrift
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2128937/posts

Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an Ongoing Thread #2]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2181392/posts?q=1&;page=1001

Home gardening offers ways to trim grocery costs [Survival Today, an ongoing thread]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1990507/posts


102 posted on 02/15/2009 3:05:10 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Yes Alaska and Arizona are good old fashioned red states!


103 posted on 02/15/2009 3:07:50 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

BTTT


104 posted on 02/15/2009 3:12:52 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

To me, at some point, we are all going to have to make the choice as to what level of civil disobedience we want to participate in. The government is great at continuing to make ‘laws’ and they know that most people want to ‘do the right thing’ and ‘not break laws.’ But when is enough enough? Who will be the next Rosa Parks and say NO. I am not sitting at the back of the bus. Screw the laws. Do whatever you want to me, but I’m not following this law. At some point, we are going to have to have the courage to stand up and say NO MORE.

Signing the Declaration of Independence was obviously illegal and treasonous, but the founding fathers DID IT ANYWAY, because it was the right thing to do. Do we have enough courage to sign our own “Declaration of Independence” from the Federal Government? They have committed practically the same abuses that the British did back then. I for one am getting sick and tired of saying “Yes sir and may I please have another” to the government. Soon more drastic action needs to be taken and if millions are willing to band together and do something, great things can be accomplished.

I’m just sayin’....


105 posted on 02/15/2009 3:17:01 PM PST by American72 (Sick of Liberals)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Just think of Joe Biden telling you to do the patriotic thing and pay more taxes with every economic choice that you make.

Personally, I have acquired skills and tools that allow me to avoid costs for vehicle and house upkeep, thus avoiding paying taxes on goods and services that I would have to otherwise purchase.

Another important step is to start a small business. Talk to your accountant, he'll surprise you with all of the deductions that are available. You don't need to leave your current job to do this. It's a great _legal_ way to keep more of your money.

The last suggestion is to get the book _Your Money or Your Life_. It's available on amazon for cheap or free at your local library. This book transforms lives. (no, I'm not connected to the author in any way, just a satisfied customer)

106 posted on 02/15/2009 3:43:49 PM PST by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: kcvl; Mad Dawgg
Mad Dawgg: ping to 70.

kcvl: you got me, but you were intending to get Mad Dawgg who favors the more archaic spelling of our surname.

107 posted on 02/15/2009 3:49:08 PM PST by Mad Dawg
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To: Mad Dawgg

Great idea—keep this type of post coming!

My suggestion: BARTER

Make clean, confidential trades with suppliers, vendors, customers, friends and family.

I, of course, would NEVER do this without reporting it to the IRS as income.


108 posted on 02/15/2009 3:54:08 PM PST by Boucheau
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To: grobdriver

Not so sure this one is a good idea right now. Democrats are tinkering with the idea of meddling with the 401k and IRAs. Use caution.


109 posted on 02/15/2009 3:58:29 PM PST by EBH ( Directive 10-289)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Oh, and here is a book that has saved me a lot of money on taxes called: "Lower Your Taxes - Big Time! by Sandy Botkin. You can check it out Here.
110 posted on 02/15/2009 4:15:57 PM PST by Boucheau
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To: American72; Mad Dawgg
But when is enough enough?
At some point, we are going to have to have the courage to stand up and say NO MORE.

AMEN! I'm so glad I read to the end of the thread and saw your wonderful post.

Do we have enough courage to sign our own “Declaration of Independence” from the Federal Government?

IMO, after a number of conversations with folks I thought would want to fight, NO!

if millions are willing to band together and do something, great things can be accomplished.

I couldn't agree more. I suggested a tax holiday on April 15th - IF - we could be assured of 10-20 million to join in. I was told "they" would pic 3-400 of us and throw the book at them and the rest would fold like cheap suits. Now what?!?!

111 posted on 02/15/2009 4:35:02 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I *LOVE* my Attitude Problem - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: American72
To me, at some point, we are all going to have to make the choice as to what level of civil disobedience we want to participate in.

Agreed.

Among the amendments I find that there is protection from 'involuntary servitude' (13th). In my opinion, each individual has the responsibility to decide how much to feed the beast. The government can _not_ make you work more than you wish to in order to pay for their scheming. You decide what you want your income to be. Not them.

112 posted on 02/15/2009 4:57:54 PM PST by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: Mad Dawgg

“First understand that the engine that drives Liberalism/ Socialism is taxpayer money.”

Federal taxes collected, of all variety, have been used to undermine our freedoms in a lock-step march toward socialism/marxism. This has been an ongoing process since the income tax was instituted in 1913. In this same year, the federal govt also placed our monetary system into the hands of international private bankers. Coincidence? Nope.

Since that time, private bankers and the fed govt have played us like caged hampsters on spinning wheels.


113 posted on 02/15/2009 5:05:10 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: firebrand

No, you are simply reporting what is reported.


114 posted on 02/15/2009 5:56:13 PM PST by NowApproachingMidnight (Sell the left short this cycle.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Three years ago we got a grant [federal] to buy a new home. We were told by the legal people that we could change our deductions to cover the reality of the grant, to get more back out of our paycheck instead of waiting to file the return.

To add another thing to this list, garden as much as you can for whatever you would eat. Non taxable.

Buy some things now that you could perhaps barter with. You can also barter your time/work. Do something for someone else in exchange for something you need.


115 posted on 02/15/2009 6:40:35 PM PST by daylilly
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To: Mad Dawgg

Adding to the list, I can get deferred compensation, the taxes are there when you actually get the money which can be several years down the road.
I don’t know how many would qualify for that, but it is available to me.

For all the suggestions about 401ks and IRAs, how do we know they won’t be confiscated by a government that cares nothing for constitutional restraints?


116 posted on 02/15/2009 6:42:40 PM PST by daylilly
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To: pnh102

That is an interesting point about no sales tax in Delaware. My son said they have some tax free days [sales tax free] in Atlanta and people wait to buy big ticket items then. I thought it was in September.

Are there any other places that do this?


117 posted on 02/15/2009 6:53:37 PM PST by daylilly
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To: daylilly
"For all the suggestions about 401ks and IRAs, how do we know they won’t be confiscated by a government that cares nothing for constitutional restraints?"

That has always worried me from day one.

118 posted on 02/15/2009 7:01:53 PM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: tropical; Explodo

You’ve both been added! :)


119 posted on 02/15/2009 8:59:58 PM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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To: jellybean

please add me to your ping list...thx


120 posted on 02/15/2009 9:52:40 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: goodnesswins

You’re on!


121 posted on 02/15/2009 10:03:32 PM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Save for later reading.


122 posted on 02/16/2009 5:47:46 AM PST by graywaiter (You can't multiply wealth by dividing it.............Dr. Adrian Rogers)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
I'm going to Nags Head, North Carolina next August. There are about 25 of us going - it's going to be a big event. My niece is getting married on the beach and we have 2 big houses rented.

This has been planned since early last Spring.

I think NC went blue this last election. Guess all the New England libs have been invading this beautiful state.

But I have confidence in that the Southern by the grace of God natives will rise up again.

123 posted on 02/16/2009 6:15:53 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: CindyDawg

I track all my spending on MS Money. Down to the last cent for sales tax and when I get my utility bills, I break that down - let’s me see all the fees, surcharges, taxes and all that the government takes from me in a somewhat stealth manner.


124 posted on 02/16/2009 6:21:20 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: Neidermeyer

I live in an apartment - I have an outdoor deck - can I grow my own tabaccy in a pot?


125 posted on 02/16/2009 6:27:36 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: jellybean
Just to add to the discussion, as you've asked, I posted something a while back on this same topic:
Tax Reduction Strategies

As for W4 exemptions, I discussed this with my accountant this year, and he told me that for every exemption, you get approx $23 more takehome per pay period. I bumped mine up and saw about half that. I get paid weekly, though. This might make a difference.

I heard somewhere that no red flags are raised at the IRS until you get into the 11 range.

You are LEGALLY ENTITLED to having less withholding if you got a refund in the previous year. Remember that.

126 posted on 02/16/2009 6:36:02 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: jellybean

Please add me to your ping list.


127 posted on 02/16/2009 6:38:16 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: MrB; All
"You are LEGALLY ENTITLED to having less withholding if you got a refund in the previous year. Remember that...

Ohhh that is good info!

BTW anyone know of any Freeper Accountants/Tax Lawyers? If so could you please ping them to this thread!

128 posted on 02/16/2009 6:38:49 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Mad Dawgg

I have posted the formula on other threads:

Additional exemptions = Your refund / $23 / number of pay periods per year

However, like I said, I saw about $12 per exemption on my weekly pay.

Folks, if you do this, SAVE SOME MONEY for next April so you’re not in a pinch.


129 posted on 02/16/2009 6:42:21 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: jellybean

please add me to your Atlas Shrugged ping list ... thanks


130 posted on 02/16/2009 6:50:05 AM PST by fnord (There's a reason we don't often hear about a Michelob deal gone bad.)
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You people are pikers! Think like a leftist. Get laid off. Sweet! You are now set to get 1 year of unemployment. Two fellows I know are happily living on unemployment. When that runs out, food stamps I guess. Now that Obama has made welfare cool the puny tax savings outlined by rightwingers are not going to do near as much to harm the finances as the ever growing use of programs by the left, as well as legitimately unemployed who are caught in the Obama depression.


131 posted on 02/16/2009 7:02:18 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: MrB
Here are the tax withholding tables (beginning on page 38) for 2009.

I was just talking with my son yesterday about these tax tables. He had been offered a job from a temp agency which would pay him about $2 more/hour. He turned it down because he couldn't be sure how long the job would last. He's making pretty good money now, as is his fiancee, and he's got some senority at his present job. I pointed out to him just by getting married the amount that is taken from your check is almost half that for single workers. He and his fiancee have been together for 6 years. It's time they got married!

132 posted on 02/16/2009 9:27:01 AM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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To: 3catsanadog

You’ve been added. :)


133 posted on 02/16/2009 9:28:26 AM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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To: fnord

You’re on too! :)


134 posted on 02/16/2009 9:30:41 AM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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To: MrB
"Folks, if you do this, SAVE SOME MONEY for next April so you’re not in a pinch."

My theory is if you change the withholding on your W-4s then you should take all the extra money and put it in a savings/money market account.

Then you earn a bit of interest on it even if you have to pay it back.

135 posted on 02/16/2009 10:18:04 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Jack Black
You people are pikers! Think like a leftist. Get laid off. Sweet! You are now set to get 1 year of unemployment.

Excellent...

The beginning of operation 'Free Cheese'!

Stop pulling the cart, jump in!

136 posted on 02/16/2009 1:14:09 PM PST by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: 3catsanadog
let’s me see all the fees, surcharges, taxes and all that the government takes from me

Out of curiosity, what percentage of income goes to the gov? No need for specifics. I've guessed at 40% but wouldn't be surprised if it's more.

137 posted on 02/16/2009 1:22:41 PM PST by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: whodathunkit
The beginning of operation 'Free Cheese'!
Stop pulling the cart, jump in!

Operation "Free Cheese"! I like that.

And I have thought about jumping in the cart. When it becomes lucrative enough, I will do just that.

138 posted on 02/16/2009 1:27:07 PM PST by meyer (The left is flooding the ship - let's quit bailing water. We are all John Galt.)
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To: MrB
You are LEGALLY ENTITLED to having less withholding if you got a refund in the previous year. Remember that.

Even if you didn't get a refund, you are entitled to have less withheld. Just don't end up owing so much at the end of the year that you incur a penalty.

139 posted on 02/16/2009 1:28:31 PM PST by meyer (The left is flooding the ship - let's quit bailing water. We are all John Galt.)
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To: whodathunkit

“Stop pulling the cart, jump in!”

Count me in: welfare, unemployment, grants, deductions, etc. The ratio of workers to looters is what keeps socialism afloat. Time to change the game, and change the numbers.


140 posted on 02/17/2009 5:26:35 AM PST by fnord (There's a reason we don't often hear about a Michelob deal gone bad.)
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To: Lou Budvis; Dems_R_Losers; CindyDawg; grobdriver; BooBoo1000; NowApproachingMidnight; ...
Just a ping to thank you all for posting your thoughts and suggestions. I have read every post and have checked all submitted links and ordered all the suggested books from my local library!

Also the suggestion about Operation Free Cheese (Aptly named by whodathunkit) caught my wife's eye.

I've had to quit working in our business as of January 1st due to some unknown ailment with my legs (I've been battling it now for many months but its got to the point where I am having trouble walking)

Long story short our insurance does not cover many of the tests I need and with me not working my wife suggested we contact the hospital and see if we could get some from of financial aide. Normally I scoff at such and we just tighten our belts and grit it out and pay off such in payments. But after the wife showed me Octomom was going to get over 2 million in Medical bills paid for by the Government I said what the hell.

So the wife contacted the hospital today and to my amazement we qualified to have a good chunk of my Medical Bills for tests paid for. It was some GOvernment fund from the state and Federal coffers. It wasn't near as much as Octomom, about 800 bucks in all but its still a chunk of change in my book.

We also changed the wife's W-4s to take even more deductions and we got 4 friends to do so as well.

I hope you all can Help to Starve the Beast in your own ways. And if anyone thinks of any other nifty ways please share!

141 posted on 02/17/2009 3:34:08 PM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Mad Dawgg

My friend has a brain tumor and was on Medicare. They switched him to Medicaid because the drugs he needs are so expensive. It’s complicated but it works out better for him. He’s only 45 but he’s on SSD as he’s unable to work. Recently he has been having trouble with one leg and an MRI shows a spot on his spine. He has been going for a lot of tests which Medicaid has been paying for but his doctor wanted him to have a PET scan that Medicaid wouldn’t approve. He managed to find a group that does it for free because they are into some sort of experimental thingy. You might try asking around some more for this type of thing. Also, if you are a veteran the VA fills prescriptions for a very,very low amount of money. Some drug companies also give drugs for free or for a low copay if you qualify. I wish the best for you, and a prayer.


142 posted on 02/17/2009 4:10:30 PM PST by diefree
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To: Mad Dawgg; DelaWhere

Make your own beer. The tax on beer is excessive in most states, unjustifiably.


143 posted on 02/17/2009 5:00:37 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Before the election, I had a loonie lefty email me on YouTube. Here’s my last response to him, with his comments in quotes.

He had no answer for any of this.


Re: Re: Educate yourself (he wrote me saying to educate myself!)

“I am of the belief that helping the mentally ill, the physically unable to work, the underemployed, the under-insured, the elderly and a host of others IS A LEGITIMATE GOAL of government.”

No, because then there is no end to the “legitimate role of government.” It’s an endless list of “needs” - homes, food, transportation, medicine, entertainment, internet access, etc. Equality might be a legitimate role of SOCIETY but not of GOVERNMENT. It’s a job the churches have largely abandoned, but that’s what they SHOULD be doing. What you are advocating is SOCIALISM just as Joe the Plumber pointed out. Oh but you posted endless hate messages about him, because he dared to question your plastic messiah.

Just how many “hosts” (your word) of people do you think you can support? Are you ready to take in the entire indigent population of South America including Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, etc.? Gee you’re a nice guy! (Or a sap!) They’re gonna come flooding in with a sure-to-be-approved amnesty plan with your oh-so-generous congress.

Have fun working for the rest of your life supporting them too, if you can find a job! Foreigners who don’t complain about OSHA, EEOC, Social Security, health insurance, minimum wage, labor laws and excess hours and who don’t pay into any tax system are a lot easier to employ than Americans who demand all this protection plus expensive social programs that cost business time and effort to maintain. So guess who the employers are gonna hire first? Not YOU!

Oh and have fun working for the rest of your life supporting me too! I’m gonna enjoy staying home while you play all the office games trying to get ahead enough to support yourself and your family, and all the while us Baby Boomers will be bleeding you dry.

It’s the bed you want to build, and I get to lie in it. Thanks!


144 posted on 02/17/2009 5:05:26 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Good thread, Dawgg. bttt.


145 posted on 02/19/2009 12:29:32 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: LucyT; STARWISE; FARS; Calpernia; BP2; little jeremiah; Frantzie

Good thread...... Surely some good ideas out there to add to the thread.

Farmer’s markets are usually cheaper and you can buy in bulk to preserve.


146 posted on 02/19/2009 10:39:24 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: jellybean

+ me ........... ;)


147 posted on 02/19/2009 11:08:35 PM PST by STARWISE ( They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter))
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To: daylilly

South Carolina does this in the “back to school” season.


148 posted on 02/19/2009 11:12:09 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: STARWISE

You’re on the list. Prepare to shrug! :)


149 posted on 02/20/2009 12:21:54 AM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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To: hoosiermama
Farmer’s markets are usually cheaper and you can buy in bulk to preserve.

Find a Farmer's Market near you.

150 posted on 02/20/2009 12:27:52 AM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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