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IDF: World duped by Hamas's false civilian death toll figures
JPost ^ | Feb 15, 2009 23:46 | Updated Feb 16, 2009 1:36 | Yaakov Katz

Posted on 02/15/2009 6:30:23 PM PST by sofaman

Four weeks after the cessation of Operation Cast Lead, the IDF finally opened its dossier on Palestinian fatalities on Sunday for the first time, and presented to The Jerusalem Post an overview utterly at odds with the Palestinian figures that have hitherto formed the basis for assessing the conflict.

While the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, whose death toll figures have been widely cited, reports that 895 Gaza civilians were killed in the fighting, amounting to more than two-thirds of all fatalities, the IDF figures shown to the Post on Sunday put the civilian death toll at no higher than a third of the total.

The international community had been given a vastly distorted impression of the death toll because of "false reporting" by Hamas, said Col. Moshe Levi, the head of the IDF's Gaza Coordination and Liaison Administration (CLA), which compiled the IDF figures.

As an example of such distortion, he cited the incident near a UN school in Jabalya on January 6, in which initial Palestinian reports falsely claimed IDF shells had hit the school and killed 40 or more people, many of them civilians.

In fact, he said, 12 Palestinians were killed in the incident - nine Hamas operatives and three noncombatants. Furthermore, as had since been acknowledged by the UN, the IDF was returning fire after coming under attack, and its shells did not hit the school compound.

"From the beginning, Hamas claimed that 42 people were killed, but we could see from our surveillance that only a few stretchers were brought in to evacuate people," said Levi, adding that the CLA contacted the PA Health Ministry and asked for the names of the dead. "We were told that Hamas was hiding the number of dead." Anas Naim, a nephew of Hamas...Health Minister Bassem Naim, who was killed on Jan. 4 in Gaza City, was described in Palestinian reports as a 'medic.'

As a consequence of the false information, he added, the IDF was considering setting up a "response team" for future conflicts whose job would be to collect information, analyze it and issue reports as rapidly as possible that refuted Hamas fabrications.

Basing its work on the official Palestinian death toll of 1,338, Levi said the CLA had now identified more than 1,200 of the Palestinian fatalities. Its 200-page report lists their names, their official Palestinian Authority identity numbers, the circumstances in which they were killed and, where appropriate, the terrorist group with which they were affiliated.

The CLA said 580 of these 1,200 had been conclusively "incriminated" as members of Hamas and other terrorist groups.

Another 300 of the 1,200 - women, children aged 15 and younger and men over the age of 65 - had been categorized as noncombatants, the CLA said.

Counted among the women, however, were female terrorists, including at least two women who tried to blow themselves up next to forces from the Givati and Paratroopers' Brigades. Also classed as noncombatants were the wives and children of Nizar Rayyan, a Hamas military commander who refused to allow his family to leave his home even after he was warned by Israel that it would be bombed.

The 320 names yet to be classified are all men; the IDF has yet complete its identification work in these cases, but estimates that two-thirds of them were terror operatives.

The CLA gave the Post the names of several fatalities who it said had been classified by the Palestinians as "medics," but who it stated were Hamas fighters, including Anas Naim, the nephew of Hamas Health Minister Bassem Naim, who was killed during clashes with the IDF on January 4 in the Sheikh Ajlin neighborhood of Gaza City.

Following the clashes, the Palestinian press reported that Naim was killed and that he was a medic with the Palestinian Red Crescent. The Gaza CLA, however, produced photographs of Naim posing holding a rocket-propelled grenade launcher and a Kalashnikov assault rifle that had been posted on a Hamas Web site.

Levi stressed that on no occasion were civilians deliberately targeted, and that every effort was made to minimize civilian casualties.

Work on the death toll list was started during Operation Cast Lead under Levi's direction. A special team was set up and led by an officer in the CLA who coordinated efforts with the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) and worked from statistics and information on the dead from the Hamas Health Ministry, the media in Gaza, and other Palestinian and Israeli intelligence sources.

Much controversy and confusion has surrounded the number of Palestinian noncombatants killed during Israel's three-week campaign against Hamas, with the IDF and the Shin Bet refusing to release official numbers to refute Hamas allegations. Israeli estimates were intermittently leaked to the press but not published in official press statements.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: castlead; hamas; israel

1 posted on 02/15/2009 6:30:23 PM PST by sofaman
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To: sofaman

It’s not hard to dupe a world that wants to be duped.


2 posted on 02/15/2009 6:33:34 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: sofaman
They're duped because they want so badly to believe the very worst about Israel. I guess it helps them justify whatever sick thoughts of theirs need justifying.
3 posted on 02/15/2009 6:34:33 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Yardstick; Mr. Mojo
You both hit the nail on the head.

The same EU, including Britain, so stridently proclaim their innocence, display their anti-Semitism by their willingness to believe the distortions and outright lies of the Arab Media and their willing accomplices in the West ... BBC, Reuters, AFP, AP, etc.

4 posted on 02/15/2009 6:38:06 PM PST by sofaman (Moses dragged us through the desert for 40 years to the one place in the ME with no oil - Golda Meir)
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To: sofaman

It was reported that Hamas executed some PLO partisans when things were going bad in order to keep the PLO from asserting control of Gaza. I wonder if this was true and, if so, how many of these deaths were counted as civilian casualties caused by IDF.


5 posted on 02/15/2009 6:52:16 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: sofaman

See, my approach would be to turn this completely around. Israel should have apologized early on for killing 11,000 civilians in the first couple of days, with their death toll rising to over 150,000 as the conflict went on. That would leave the Palis completely in the dark. Their response would be to overstate the deaths as much as possible, but their numbers would still be under the IDFs’ numbers. At the “end”, when there might be a reckoning, Israel then says “So, we lied. We were just trying to demoralize them so they wouldn’t fight and be killed. So what? We’re giving a “proportionate response” to Palestinian lies.”


6 posted on 02/15/2009 7:19:36 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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To: sofaman

So what else is new.People believe what they want to and the facts dont mean anything.


7 posted on 02/15/2009 7:43:29 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..

Nassur the Bear is the Latest Hamas Children TV Inciter
Israel National News | 03:34 AM - Feb/16/09 | Arutz 7
Posted on 02/15/2009 6:46:52 PM PST by sofaman
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2186481/posts


8 posted on 02/15/2009 7:44:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: sofaman

Bump.


9 posted on 02/15/2009 8:20:42 PM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The history of these “dupings” and their consequences must be thoroughly investigated and reported before people will be wary of false reports.

The USA was duped by our own President when Clinton told us that genocide was happening to “ethnic Albanians” in Kosovo and we had to intervene militarily. There was no genocide.

If we cannot face our duplicity in this game, the truth will continue to lose.


10 posted on 02/15/2009 10:04:13 PM PST by ValerieTexas
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11 posted on 02/16/2009 6:10:39 AM PST by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targeted…no guarantee…they’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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12 posted on 02/16/2009 6:10:48 AM PST by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targeted…no guarantee…they’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: Yardstick

Hamas could have reported a number of deaths of children 10 times higher than the entire population of Gaza and the Israel-haters would have believed it.


13 posted on 02/16/2009 6:17:27 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I agree with you. Israel should not enegage in this type of argument. As shown by the false ‘Jenin Massacre’ when the truth was indisputedly proven the press did not care and did not retract.

The point is not how many Gazans were killed but the Hamas tactics of using human shields, of actually encouraging people to stay in their homes after IDF warns they are going to blow it up, of even forcing civilians to stay in the line of fire, of parking munitions in schools and ambulances juxtaposed with the Israeli policy of minimizing its citizen’s casualties by building shelters and having a warning system.

So the number of Israelis actually killed is not the number for comparison. It is the number of civilians the Hamas rockets targeted that is the measure of the Hamas war crimes.

The West is playing by the terrorists’ rule book when they fight an assymetric war and start defending casualty numbers. The West needs to change the discussion and stop discussing casualty numbers. They should be publicizing tactics and refuse to discuss numbers.


14 posted on 02/16/2009 8:52:27 AM PST by dervish (speechless, tagless, sick over porkulus)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Oooh, I like that!

Hmmm, Israel should also deny using gentically engineered biological weapons that turn Palestinian males homosexual. Categorically deny it. Repeatedly.


15 posted on 02/16/2009 9:34:01 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (This disaster brought to you by the failed Obama administration.)
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To: sofaman

What ever the numbers, they were inadequate


16 posted on 02/16/2009 9:37:30 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

You are correct . Apologize for thousands and then just move on.


17 posted on 02/16/2009 9:38:46 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: Slings and Arrows
No, Israel should deny using a bio-weapon that converts the subject's DNA into pig DNA, thus changing the Muslim terrorist's flesh into pork flesh.

Categorically deny it, even...

18 posted on 02/16/2009 11:11:32 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

How about a twofer?


19 posted on 02/16/2009 11:20:26 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (This disaster brought to you by the failed Obama administration.)
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To: sofaman

Lincoln waged war directly on civilians and he was viewed as a good guy.


20 posted on 02/16/2009 4:21:18 PM PST by festus (Politics makes for strange bedfellows)
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