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Posted on 02/16/2009 7:24:08 AM PST by jessduntno

FreePAC

A question came from Jim Robinson on Saturday the 14th;

"This may be a topic for our regional FReeper conventions coming up, but how many of you would be interested in forming an official conservative FReeper PAC for raising funds to help replace Dems and RINOs and to get conservatives elected?"

Personally, I think a narrow. concentrated focus on identifying and supporting reliable conservative candidates could be a most positive addition to the elctoral landscape...and I think there can be no nobler and worthwhile goal than the extinction of the American RINO.

Some of the responses, I left names left off, questions and statements abridged - because I did have permission to use their words (elipses are mine) follow;

“I would love to donate, but I think we need to influence ... conservatives to form a group that has consolidated power.”

“We need to get as many conservative PACs as possible... a conservative Super Group Coalition that will bring all of the thousands of little groups together.”

“It depends on the model Jim wants to use...Manpower can often be more valuable than money...there are a lot of ways this can be done.”

“Jim, I know you have contacts at high levels....there would be the basis of an identifiable Conservative- Republican national caucus that people would be happy to contribute to.”

“Generally speaking, it looks like the Free Republic could magnify and focus its strong voice in getting actual Conservatives elected and re-elected...”

So ... where are we? Apologies if I missed more followup...I am more than a little interested in hearing more, especially if it concerns focus on identification of "reliable conservatives" that could be offered a variety of aid in election by a FreePAC organization.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fr
Once again. apologies if this is out of place, or if I have missed responses, but a FreePAC for identifying and supporting true conservatives and the extinction of the American RINO is is too compelling an interest for me to resist posting...thank you...
1 posted on 02/16/2009 7:24:08 AM PST by jessduntno
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To: jessduntno

One question with the FeePAC idea - is there room for also acting as an issues oriented type 527, which could run ads, fliers, etc. for the purposes of informing and persuading? This would be in addition to, rather than in place of, the primary goal of diselecting RINOs and electing conservatives in their place.


2 posted on 02/16/2009 7:29:36 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: jessduntno

the extinction of the American RINO
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However that same animal is at present on the endangered list of other PACs...


3 posted on 02/16/2009 7:29:51 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: jessduntno

BTTT! Thank you.


4 posted on 02/16/2009 7:31:32 AM PST by PGalt
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To: jessduntno
FreePAC is a terrific name. If it is unused, it should be claimed asap. PAC names are first come, first served. If it's taken, then FreeRepublicPAC would be a fine substitute.

Many PACs conceal their true purpose and organizational backing with high-sounding names. Unions are notorious for that. We don't have to do any such thing.

Our purpose can be stated in three quotes from Thomas Jefferson. One favoring the free marketplace. A second favoring the free marketplace of ideas. A third favoring obedience to the Constitution, including by judges.

And it could remind people in a biographical note that Jefferson was NOT a Democrat, as some Democrats falsely claim. His Party was the Republican-Democrat Party, which existed only during the eight years of his presidency.

How's that for a start on the website of the FR PAC?

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5 posted on 02/16/2009 7:36:29 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Latest book: www.AmericasOwnersManual.com)
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To: jessduntno

I think a better effort would be in concentrating upon destroying the Prostitute Press that elected The Messiah and will protect him no matter how horribly he hurts our country.


6 posted on 02/16/2009 7:36:47 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“One question with the FeePAC idea - is there room for also acting as an issues oriented type 527, which could run ads, fliers, etc. for the purposes of informing and persuading? This would be in addition to, rather than in place of, the primary goal of diselecting RINOs and electing conservatives in their place.”

I hope so...I was hoping to hear more from others, knowing that there were more ideas out there...my interest is specific to avoiding being shot in the head by the likes of the witches from Maine and Arlen the Specter of all things wrong with electing RINOs is, I guess, so painful right now, it is my pet project...


7 posted on 02/16/2009 7:39:10 AM PST by jessduntno ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4)
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To: jessduntno

What PACs do the Democrats have for this? What is their success record? Gotta fight fire with fire.


8 posted on 02/16/2009 7:40:39 AM PST by Krusty (Liberal rhymes with miserable)
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To: Congressman Billybob

How’s that for a start on the website of the FR PAC?

If I can suggest FreePAC, I would like to do so, but regardless, i think it is spectacular...I also think that Freepac was suggested elsewhere as well...


9 posted on 02/16/2009 7:43:23 AM PST by jessduntno ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4)
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To: pabianice

Do you have ideas on how to do this? Last fall I started a spreadsheet of MSM advertisers and began writing letters that I wouldn’t buy their products so long as they sponsored MSM. I had hoped to be part of a larger (numbers more effective) group of likeminded individuals. I have yet to find a resource on the internet.


10 posted on 02/16/2009 7:44:57 AM PST by tunedin
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To: jessduntno

IMPORTANT CORRECTION

Sorry, in my first post I said “Some of the responses, I left names left off, questions and statements abridged - because I did have permission to use their words (elipses are mine) follow;”

I meant to say I did NOT have permission...”


11 posted on 02/16/2009 7:46:48 AM PST by jessduntno ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4)
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To: jessduntno

I like the idea. Do not know re specifics, but I think we have a strong group with clear thinking here. Lots of folks understand what is wrong, but we are not sure how to go about fixing it. Must consolidate our efforts and focus them.

I keep thinking — the libs planned this ‘take-over’ for about 30 years, using Saul Alinsky’s plans: propagandize the kids, take over the courts, fight on small fronts. We were caught unaware, but there have been thousands of small brush fires along the way which signaled it, if we had been watching for it.

Need a focus to DO SOMETHING. It is easy to whine and give up, to be discouraged, but that is what they want. It keeps us debilitated and unable to fight. Keeping our eyes on the future is the solution.


12 posted on 02/16/2009 7:48:04 AM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: jessduntno

I support the idea of a FReePAC, but regarding the Super coalition, isn’t this what CPAC is already? Among their sponsors are the Heritage Fundation and the Media Research Center.

CPAC has a convention next weekend.


13 posted on 02/16/2009 7:50:20 AM PST by tunedin
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To: tunedin

“Do you have ideas on how to do this? Last fall I started a spreadsheet of MSM advertisers and began writing letters that I wouldn’t buy their products so long as they sponsored MSM. I had hoped to be part of a larger (numbers more effective) group of likeminded individuals. I have yet to find a resource on the internet.”

Jim posted the original question of an interest group; I am wondering myself about a strucure. I think a spreadsheet of MSM advertisers with relevant content could be an important contribution to the formation of a FreePAC database for combating MSM bias, if that is your thrust?


14 posted on 02/16/2009 7:52:20 AM PST by jessduntno ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4)
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To: Krusty
What PACs do the Democrats have for this?

ActBlue

15 posted on 02/16/2009 7:55:10 AM PST by greedo
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To: jessduntno

Yes, the spreadsheet is how I started, but I suspended updating because I couldn’t find a large base with whom to share. I would welcome some input as to how you define relevant content.


16 posted on 02/16/2009 8:01:26 AM PST by tunedin
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
One question with the FeePAC idea - is there room for also acting as an issues oriented type 527, which could run ads, fliers, etc. for the purposes of informing and persuading? This would be in addition to, rather than in place of, the primary goal of diselecting RINOs and electing conservatives in their place.

I would love to see that.

17 posted on 02/16/2009 8:03:39 AM PST by saminfl
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To: bboop

“I keep thinking — the libs planned this ‘take-over’ for about 30 years, using Saul Alinsky’s plans: propagandize the kids, take over the courts, fight on small fronts. We were caught unaware, but there have been thousands of small brush fires along the way which signaled it, if we had been watching for it.”

You are spot on, I think. I am not sure we were caught unawares...you are right that “there have been thousands of small brush fires”...unfortunately, I think we laughed it off, plain and simple. There was quite a bit of derision, mine included, I am afraid...aimed at “community organizers.”

“Need a focus to DO SOMETHING. It is easy to whine and give up, to be discouraged, but that is what they want. It keeps us debilitated and unable to fight. Keeping our eyes on the future is the solution.”

I couldn’t agree more. My hope is that we become a conservative party once again.


18 posted on 02/16/2009 8:04:25 AM PST by jessduntno ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4)
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To: jessduntno

Many years ago, as we measure secular time, I became involved in a large zoning fight (which lasted about 18+ years) near DC. Redevelopment was the largest single industry in the county. One would buy farm land (for $1000/acre) get the zoning board to rezone it to high density (worth $16 K or so per acre) and build apartments. We had a lawyer hired that specialized in zoning and we were up against a big developer. The battle outcome depended on who controlled the zoning board votes (at that time in the developers hip pocket - he provided houses, cars, and money to them).

The solution was to raise up candidates for the zoning board and get them elected. We had lawn parties where candidates could talk with us and we could get to know them. Eventually we were able to take control of the zoning board with our candidates. I might add that we had some tireless workers on our side which aided our takeover.

However in the long term, about 40 years later, development did take place because the owner of 50 acres of farm land wanted to do “something” with it.
The original developer died, but other developers rose up, the original abutting owners moved away, one of the tireless workers died, and so on. We merely stemmed the tide for a while. But it is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

My recommendations for the Pac. We should seek out like minded candidates in each congressional district, and support them with time and money. Obama has shown us (rather rubbed our noses in it) that the Internet is a powerful tool for collecting funds and for organizing supporters. We will have to advertise for recruiting and supporting candidates.


19 posted on 02/16/2009 8:06:29 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: pabianice

I think a better effort would be in concentrating upon destroying the Prostitute Press that elected The Messiah and will protect him no matter how horribly he hurts our country.


+1. As long as the enemedia exists, it won't matter how many reliable conservative candidates we indentify and support. Look what they did to Sarah Palin.

That being said, I think FreePAC is a good idea.

20 posted on 02/16/2009 8:07:08 AM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: jessduntno

Conservatism is a victim of the Spartacus assertion climate. “I’m a conservative” or “this is conservative” is akin to the Spartacus assertion in religion. “I’m a Catholic” or “I’m a Jew”, or “I’m whatever”. There is no longer a standard. You are what you claim. People can assert.

What are the marks of a ‘true conservative’? Who is the Pope to excommunicate those who are not true believers?

I’d like to see the publication of a Conservative Manifesto and it’s legislative contract with America. Right now the PAC that I fear most of all is Posing As Conservative.


21 posted on 02/16/2009 8:24:00 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: EdReform
I think a better effort would be in concentrating upon destroying the Prostitute Press that elected The Messiah and will protect him no matter how horribly he hurts our country.

I also think focused attacks on the many incompetent, low intelligence and scamming loser representatives that now are in office would be beneficial. But then again - that exposure should have been performed already if we had an honest press.

22 posted on 02/16/2009 8:24:37 AM PST by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: pabianice

“I think a better effort would be in concentrating upon destroying the Prostitute Press that elected The Messiah and will protect him no matter how horribly he hurts our country.”

You’re right. Obama is a symptom. The media is the disease. Nothing we do will matter until we confront that.


23 posted on 02/16/2009 8:29:25 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: ex-snook

“What are the marks of a ‘true conservative’? I’d like to see the publication of a Conservative Manifesto and it’s legislative contract with America. Right now the PAC that I fear most of all is Posing As Conservative.”

That, I suppose, is the central question of a move to help “revitalize” supprot for the conservative candidates.

Kirk? From 1986?

It is not possible to draw up a neat catalogue of conservatives’ convictions; nevertheless, I offer you, summarily, ten general principles; it seems safe to say that most conservatives would subscribe to most of these maxims. In various editions of my book The Conservative Mind I have listed certain canons of conservative thought—the list differing somewhat from edition to edition; in my anthology The Portable Conservative Reader I offer variations upon this theme.

Today I present to you a summary of conservative assumptions differing somewhat from my canons in those two books of mine. In fine, the diversity of ways in which conservative views may find expression is itself proof that conservatism is no fixed ideology. What particular principles conservatives emphasize during any given time will vary with the circumstances and necessities of that era. The following ten articles of belief reflect the emphases of conservatives in America nowadays.

http://www.heritage.org/research/politicalphilosophy/hl86.cfm


24 posted on 02/16/2009 8:41:24 AM PST by jessduntno ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4)
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To: ex-snook

“Traditional conservatism was based on six principles: a suspicion of the power of the state; a preference for liberty over equality; unashamed patriotism; a belief in established institutions and hierarchies; a pessimistic, backward-looking pragmatism; and elitism. This was the creed that Burke shaped into a philosophy in the 18th century—and that most famous conservatives, from Prince Metternich to Winston Churchill, understood in their bones. Mr. Reagan’s conservatism exaggerated the first three of Burke’s principles and contradicted the last three.”

http://www.opinionjournal.com/ac/?id=110005188


25 posted on 02/16/2009 8:51:37 AM PST by jessduntno ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4)
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To: proud2beconservativeinNJ; AuntB

I also think focused attacks on the many incompetent, low intelligence and scamming loser representatives that now are in office would be beneficial. But then again - that exposure should have been performed already if we had an honest press.


Precisely. The media love their incompetent, low intelligence, scamming, loser darlings since they toe the enemedia socialist party line.

AuntB is spot on; the media IS the disease!

26 posted on 02/16/2009 9:14:16 AM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: jessduntno
I made a suggestion of a series of quotes from Thomas Jefferson to appear on the front page of PAC's website. Here's one of those quotes, courtesy of the Patriot Post:

"The multiplication of public offices, increase of expense beyond income, growth and entailment of a public debt, are indications soliciting the employment of the pruning knife."

--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Spencer Roane, 9 March 1821

Congressman Billybob

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27 posted on 02/17/2009 8:32:43 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Latest book: www.AmericasOwnersManual.com)
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