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THE DEADLY TOLL OF VACCINE HYSTERIA
New York Post ^ | 16 feb 09 | SCOTT GOTTLIEB

Posted on 02/16/2009 8:35:40 AM PST by rellimpank

THE idea that a preservative once used in vaccines is to blame for rising autism rates has just been authoritatively debunked - again. Indeed, some of the key early "evidence" now stands exposed as fake.

Sadly, none of this will kill this myth - because it was never based on good science.

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KEYWORDS: autism; health; medicine; vaccination
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--having been raised back in the dark ages when almost everyone got vaccinated ,except for a few children whose parents were religiously opposed, I am of the opinion that childhood vaccination was one of the few government programs that ever worked for the overall good of society---
1 posted on 02/16/2009 8:35:40 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

I agree.

The luddites will attack us, however, calling us insensitive, various other names, and seeking to blame all their problems on us.


2 posted on 02/16/2009 8:37:24 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: rellimpank

The OTHER problem not mentioned is that these vaccines are STRONGER and MORE are given to kids BEFORE their IMMUNE SYSTEMS are MATURE. So, you roll the dice and hope for the best. Some are lucky and some are not.


3 posted on 02/16/2009 8:37:39 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: rellimpank

HOW MANY vaccines did you GET in childhood....it just seems today that there are SOOOOO Many.....I’m not one who opposes them....at least not ALL of them....but, HPV? and some of the others? Yes.


4 posted on 02/16/2009 8:38:42 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: rellimpank
http://www.canada.com/Autism+linked+with+rainfall+study/1176842/story.html

study says autism linked to rainfall

5 posted on 02/16/2009 8:39:55 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: rellimpank

Even with the death of children on their bloody hands, the anti-vaccination fanatics remain totally delusional, totally without a clue.

Many of these poor souls have autistic family members, and are heart-breakingly manipulated by evil charlatans like Andrew Wakefield and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.


6 posted on 02/16/2009 8:41:23 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (NOW)
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To: goodnesswins
I've refused vaccines for my daughter without reservation such as for pneumonia or this other one ... forget the name for ovarian cancer. They are using the cover of “vaccines are good” to load up kids with vaccines they do NOT need. I forget the exact number but many kids before kindergarten get either 20 or 30 vaccines. This is a FAR CRY from the FEW that were required in earlier days. It's insane what is REQUIRED today.
7 posted on 02/16/2009 8:41:31 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: MeanWestTexan

In recent years autism has been blamed on everything from discarded iPod batteries to mercury from Chinese power stations, from antenatal ultrasound scans to post-natal cord clamping, from diet to vaccines,” Fitzpatrick said in a statement.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has launched a long-term study to find the causes of autism and other childhood conditions.


8 posted on 02/16/2009 8:41:33 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: rellimpank
The biggest single reason I have seen for the “increase” in autism, is that the government offered extra money for “autistic” children, so the criteria for what it took to be “autistic” was watered down such that many who would previously been diagnosed (if at all) with “autistic tendencies” now are diagnosed with full blown autism.

Autism has existed from the beginning of humanity, it is most likely the far end of a continuum with most normal people in the middle, the artsy fartsy flake at one end, and the rigid autistic at the other end.

9 posted on 02/16/2009 8:42:03 AM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: MeanWestTexan

—I got my first smallpox immunization when I was six weeks old (my dad was diagnosed with it-one of several in SW Wisconsin at the time) and still had to get them about every five years or so—they did swell up and gave us rural kids something to show each other, especially if you picked the scab off—


10 posted on 02/16/2009 8:43:38 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: nmh

>>This is a FAR CRY from the FEW that were required in earlier days. It’s insane what is REQUIRED today. <<

I agree totally with you.
I am not anti-vaccine. I’m conservative about loading my kids up with chemicals.

We don’t do flu shots either. Every time I’ve gotten one, I’ve ended up sick as a dog.


11 posted on 02/16/2009 8:44:24 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: rellimpank

Everyone’s probably heard about this - the person who won a lawsuit regarding vaccinations and autism - links to some prexisting condition - but still - how do we know which children have the conditions?

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20080306/dad-in-autism-vaccine-case-speaks-out


12 posted on 02/16/2009 8:44:40 AM PST by mommya
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To: allmendream

“The biggest single reason I have seen for the “increase” in autism, is that the government offered extra money for “autistic” children”

WE HAVE A WINNER.


13 posted on 02/16/2009 8:45:18 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: netmilsmom

I’ve had flu shots for 35 years. Never had the flu. Never had a reaction. But I guess that’s just me and everybody I know.


14 posted on 02/16/2009 8:46:41 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (NOW)
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To: netmilsmom
am not anti-vaccine. I’m conservative about loading my kids up with chemicals.

We don’t do flu shots either. Every time I’ve gotten one, I’ve ended up sick as a dog.


Same here.

There is no way we'd load up on flu shots!

Nearly 99% of the time it is the WRONG STRAIN and they don't exempt you from the flu. The elderly should definitely NOT get those shots.

The GERMS are STRONGER than what they used to use in the “old days” and now there are TOO MANY STRONG GERMS being injected into little kids with immature immune systems. It's a game of Russian Roulette.
It's too bad this article doesn't address THOSE ISSUES.

15 posted on 02/16/2009 8:47:27 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Look, just a couple of weeks back we saw right here on FR an article about scientific research that assigned blame for most cases of autism on prior abortions performed on the mother of the child.

Not surprising that women into abortion would want to blame something or someone other than themselves for their kids' problems.

16 posted on 02/16/2009 8:48:49 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: FormerACLUmember

>>Even with the death of children on their bloody hands, the anti-vaccination fanatics remain totally delusional, totally without a clue.<<

Death of children?
I lived through chicken pox, all measles (including rubella) and mumps.
My niece had Whooping cough (got it as an infant before the second immunization)

Homeschoolers have Chicken Pox parties to pass it around.

No one died. I’m not anti-vaccine but isn’t that statement a bit dramatic?


17 posted on 02/16/2009 8:48:50 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: MeanWestTexan; allmendream
“The biggest single reason I have seen for the “increase” in autism, is that the government offered extra money for “autistic” children”

1000% accurate.

I especially like shy boys all now being "Asperger's Syndrome." The hyper-diagnosis crowd even includes such well-know failures as suffering "Aspergers": Albert Einstein, Bill Gates and Issac Newton.

18 posted on 02/16/2009 8:50:19 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (NOW)
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To: goodnesswins
-—DPT,smallpox and a separate tetanus shot due to a scratch , then when polio shots arrived, they were considered a gift from heaven--we all stood in line for that one—(one of my boyhood acquaintances, a neighbor's nephew died of polio about 1950)
19 posted on 02/16/2009 8:50:32 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank

I believe you are correct.....except. Vaccines, on their own for a given problem, worked just fine. But statements have been made that when they combined many vaccines together, that’s where the problem came in. I hear that some doctors will not give the all in one vaccine. They spread out the shots, over time, so there are no problems. My question at this point is, has this theory been tested? If not, why not.


20 posted on 02/16/2009 8:50:39 AM PST by RC2
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To: nmh

There is no vaccine for ovarian cancer.


21 posted on 02/16/2009 8:51:52 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: netmilsmom

Try actually reading the article under consideration in the post.


22 posted on 02/16/2009 8:52:20 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (NOW)
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To: muawiyah

“Not surprising that women into abortion would want to blame something or someone other than themselves for their kids’ problems. “

I don’t know about that.

Blaming and abortion which is by choice is hardly blaming the abortion - it is a choice by a human being.

Speaking of abortion there are credible studies that link abortion to breast cancer. I think these studies should help women be more responsible for their actions because consequences are severe in some cases ... .


23 posted on 02/16/2009 8:52:54 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: svcw

No - but isn’t that the angle they push on that Gardisil - HPV vac.?


24 posted on 02/16/2009 8:53:31 AM PST by mommya
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To: FormerACLUmember

>>I’ve had flu shots for 35 years. Never had the flu. Never had a reaction. But I guess that’s just me and everybody I know.<<

I am seriously beginning to wonder about the control on flu shots. Here in Macomb county MI, I will tell you that tons of people have gotten sick after flu shots. Maybe it’s been luck of the draw.

My family does just fine without the shot. My girls don’t go to school, I don’t work and Dad only goes to one job. We don’t need them.


25 posted on 02/16/2009 8:53:34 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: rellimpank

YES....you and I (older than 55) got a FEW shots....kids these days are loaded up....and...at a young age....it can’t always be good. I can see why parents protest.


26 posted on 02/16/2009 8:53:55 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: rellimpank

I agree...Many of the childhood sicknesses and diseases (measles, whooping cough, etc.) we faced during my childhood the kids of today don’t face.

I remember the polio outbreaks of the 40’s and 50’s, they were scary and most people knew of someone who contracted it, what a godsend the Salk vaccine was.


27 posted on 02/16/2009 8:54:34 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: svcw

“There is no vaccine for ovarian cancer.”

Oh they’ve come up with one ... .

Where have you been?

http://www.webmd.com/ovarian-cancer/news/20070723/ovarian-cancer-vaccine-shows-promise


28 posted on 02/16/2009 8:54:43 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: MeanWestTexan
--as an aside to this, but along the same line vis-a-vis "government" studies, while in Wisconsin a few years ago, the results of a "study" the state had commissioned to find elder abuse were announced , which of course indicated that it was rampant.

--if you read past the first paragraph, however, you noted that ,IIRC, 70% of it was described as "self-inflicted"--

29 posted on 02/16/2009 8:55:19 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank
Anyone alive in the early 50’s will understand what a relief it was to finally have an effective polio vaccine.

A trip to any old cemetery will show how many children never made it into adulthood due to diseases we hardly think about because of vaccines.

30 posted on 02/16/2009 8:56:07 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

“The hyper-diagnosis crowd even includes such well-know failures as suffering “Aspergers”: Albert Einstein, Bill Gates and Issac Newton.”

I went through the DX on Aspergers. I fit it, as did basically all my compatriots at MIT.


31 posted on 02/16/2009 8:56:23 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: RC2
But statements have been made that when they combined many vaccines together, that’s where the problem came in.

What problem? There is no problem. There is no evidence that combining vaccines into one injection somehow makes them more dangerous.

32 posted on 02/16/2009 8:56:58 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: nmh

Promising vaccine is not the same thing as having one.


33 posted on 02/16/2009 8:57:33 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: mommya

Yes


34 posted on 02/16/2009 8:58:17 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: nmh
The primary motive for having an abortion is to improve one's life by killing someone else.

Folks are always doing that.

That same belief shows up in the attempt to blame the preservative in vaccines.

35 posted on 02/16/2009 8:58:20 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: svcw

This is the one I was thinking of being forced on teens:

Recommended Vaccines and the Diseases they Prevent
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)

Disease:

HPV is a common virus. HPV is most common in people in their teens and early 20s. It is the major cause of cervical cancer in women.

Vaccine:

HPV vaccine protects against the types of HPV that most commonly cause cervical cancer and genital warts. This vaccine is recommended for 11 and 12 year old girls. Ideally girls should get 3 doses of this vaccine before their first sexual contact when they could be exposed to HPV. If your teenage daughter missed getting the vaccine when she was 11 or 12, ask her doctor about getting it now.

This is a condition contracted by sexually permissive girls. Believe it or not, all young girls are NOT whores.


36 posted on 02/16/2009 8:58:32 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: rellimpank
My opinion on vaccine is directly related to the danger and contagiousness of the disease. For something like polio (or smallpox if it was still in the wild) I'd fight my way to the front of the line to get myself or loved ones the vaccine. I have a picture of a polio ward with rows of children in iron lungs I post on the occasional anti-vaccine thread. For a minor, annoying disease like chicken pox I wonder if it is worth the risk.

I still haven't figured out why vaccines are delivered in general use, shared vials intead of sealed single use vials packed at the factory. Maybe even produce the syringe full at the factory. That way you don't have to use a chemical with mercury in it to prevent bacterial or fungal growth in the vial.

37 posted on 02/16/2009 8:59:07 AM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: netmilsmom
Every time I’ve gotten one, I’ve ended up sick as a dog.

Then you must have an allergy to egg albumen. Because the scenario you are describing is impossible.

Current research has debunked the vaccine-autism urban legend. However, if an unvaccinated pregnant woman catches measles or certain other viral illnesses, the baby can be born severely mentally retarded.

If someone wants to take a real risk to avoid an imaginary risk, then they should know the score.
38 posted on 02/16/2009 8:59:22 AM PST by mysterio
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To: svcw
There is no vaccine for ovarian cancer.

I suspect the poster meant Gardasil, which will prevent many cases of cervical cancer as well as vaginal, vulvar, anal and head and neck cancers.

39 posted on 02/16/2009 8:59:27 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: allmendream

And we have a winner!


40 posted on 02/16/2009 8:59:39 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Aspberger’s syndrome falls far short of the MIT problem (which is ordinarily exacerbated by the use of a broomstick in an unexpected orifice.)


41 posted on 02/16/2009 8:59:54 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: mommya
No - but isn’t that the angle they push on that Gardisil - HPV vac.?

No. HPV causes cervical cancer, not ovarian.
42 posted on 02/16/2009 9:00:05 AM PST by Caramelgal (This tagline is currently on strike, waiting for my bail out. I want me some tagline porkulus!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Okay, now I’ve read it twice, thinking I missed something the first time. Are you talking about this?

“But it seems no amount of science or regulation will dispel the suspicions. So around the same time that actress Jenny McCarthy was taking the airwaves to propagate her latest theories on vaccines and autism, newly released figures showed that there were 1,348 confirmed cases of measles in England and Wales last year - and two deaths. That compares with 56 cases in 1998, before Wakefield’s paper spawned a cottage industry in fear.”

You are talking about 56 deaths with no other controls except immunizations. This is part of the problem. You used “bloody hands” to describe people who only want the best for their children. Personally, I couldn’t live with not immunizing my girls, but instead of dismissing them or making them out to be kooks, it would be more advantageous to look at the big picture. I have a friend with a non-verbal eight year old with autism. It’s not fun.


43 posted on 02/16/2009 9:00:13 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: svcw; nmh

The poster was confusing this with the the STD human papilloma virus vaccine to prevent cervical cancer, brand name Gardasil.

I wish to heaven there WAS an ovarian cancer vaccine. Ovarian cancer killed my poor mom. She would be alive today if there was such a vaccine.

By the way there are probably many cancers caused by human papilloma virus. Some experts suspect that a variety of cancer rates will eventually drop among Gardasil vaccinated girls.


44 posted on 02/16/2009 9:00:14 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (NOW)
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To: muawiyah

The primary motive for having an abortion is to improve one’s life by killing someone else.
Folks are always doing that.
That same belief shows up in the attempt to blame the preservative in vaccines.

Look past the motive for an abortion and the consequences of the abortion that show up later in your physical and emotional health. THAT is what I am referring to.

New Study Shows Abortion is ‘Best Predictor of Breast Cancer’

WASHINGTON, DC, October 3, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons published a study yesterday entitled, “The Breast Cancer Epidemic.” It showed that, among seven risk factors, abortion is the “best predictor of breast cancer,” and fertility is also a useful predictor.

The study by Patrick Carroll of PAPRI in London showed that countries with higher abortion rates, such as England & Wales, could expect a substantial increase in breast cancer incidence. Where abortion rates are low (i.e., Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic) a smaller increase is expected. Where a decline in abortion has taken place, (i.e., Denmark and Finland) a decline in breast cancer is anticipated.

Carroll used the same mathematical model for a previous forecast of numbers of breast cancers in future years for England & Wales based on cancer data up to 1997 that has proved quite accurate for predicting cancers observed in years 1998 to 2004.

In four countries - England & Wales, Scotland, Finland and Denmark - a social gradient has been discovered (unlike that for other cancers) whereby upper class and upwardly mobile women have more breast cancer than lower class women. This was studied in Finland and Denmark and the influence of known risk factors other than abortion was examined, but the gradient was not explained.

Carroll suggests that the known preference for abortion in this class might explain the phenomenon. Women pursuing higher educations and professional careers often delay marriage and childbearing. Abortions before the birth of a first child are highly carcinogenic.

Carroll used national data from nations believed to have “nearly complete abortion counts.” Therefore, his study is not affected by recall bias.

Karen Malec, president of the Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer commented on the latest findings stating: “It’s time for scientists to admit publicly what they already acknowledge privately among themselves - that abortion raises breast cancer risk - and to stop conducting flawed research to protect the medical establishment from massive medical practice lawsuits.”

See the new study online here:
http://www.jpands.org/vol12no3/carroll.pdf


45 posted on 02/16/2009 9:00:32 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Exactly...they even push multiple vaccines on preemies.


46 posted on 02/16/2009 9:00:40 AM PST by Guenevere ("He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain that which he cannot lose")
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To: FormerACLUmember

That is correct. I confused the two.

“The poster was confusing this with the the STD human papilloma virus vaccine to prevent cervical cancer, brand name Gardasil.”

“I wish to heaven there WAS an ovarian cancer vaccine. Ovarian cancer killed my poor mom. She would be alive today if there was such a vaccine.”

(I’m sorry.)

“By the way there are probably many cancers caused by human papilloma virus. Some experts suspect that a variety of cancer rates will eventually drop among Gardasil vaccinated girls.”

(That is questionable.)


47 posted on 02/16/2009 9:02:16 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
This is a condition contracted by sexually permissive girls. Believe it or not, all young girls are NOT whores.

Approx. 80% of American women will be infected with one or another type of genital HPV in their lifetimes, usually in their teens and 20's. Protecting against these infections makes perfect sense. Using inflammatory terms like "whores" merely clouds the picture.

48 posted on 02/16/2009 9:02:18 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: mysterio

>>Then you must have an allergy to egg albumen. Because the scenario you are describing is impossible.<<

Maybe. But I can tell you that I’m not the only person in my area who believes the same.

And let’s not forget the Rotovirus vaccine that was perfectly safe until kids ended up with perforated bowels.


49 posted on 02/16/2009 9:02:39 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: RC2

Oddly enough, my son has not been sick very frequently at all... my wife and I decided to wait until he was two, and to spread out the vaccines to no more than 1 per month.

Some will say that this is cook hysteria. However, I have one very solid results that perhaps most don’t.

A friends two children, count them TWO had a very real occurrence and then diagnoses of Autism. This friend isn’t exactly a liberal nut here guys/gals, he was a very conservative and logical person. (Math/Sciences we are both engineers) So... the net of the story is this. The two children sync’d up on Vaccines and both went to get their shot from the same multi-dose vial. These kids were well behaved but were I believe at the time about 15 months old. They cried infrequently, and acted very much like normal children, who laughed and had great emotion. The day AFTER the vaccines they both began holding their heads in pain, it progressed to a rocking, then into a mix of this with some confusion and dizziness. This continued for 3 days until he had enough and took them in to the Doctor. This was a complete 180 from the kids the Doctor treated, and he was very concerned. So off to a specialist... who then diagnosed them as having autism.

I have the personal experience that gives me pause, and I choose to care for my son in a manner and similarity as how I was raised. In my time we had very few Vaccines, so we are essentially doing the same roll-out that both my wife and I had.

Oddly enough there ARE vaccines that have far and above more mercury than a person should have in a year, and why people get lazy and try to save $ and Dr. visits to jam their kids full of vaccines all at once is mind boggling.

I could go on and on here, but everything is not what it seems in my opinion.


50 posted on 02/16/2009 9:02:59 AM PST by light-bulb (Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum)
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