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Householders to be charged for each flush of toilet
news.com.au ^ | November 16, 2008 03:00pm??? | n/a

Posted on 02/16/2009 6:48:40 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

HOUSEHOLDERS would be charged for each flush under a radical new toilet tax designed to help beat the drought.

The scheme would replace the current system, which sees sewage charges based on a home's value - not its waste water output.

CSIRO Policy and Economic Research Unit member Jim McColl and Adelaide University Water Management Professor Mike Young plan to promote the move to state and federal politicians and experts across the country.

"It would encourage people to reduce their sewage output by taking shorter showers,recycling washing machine water or connecting rainwater tanks to internal plumbingto reduce their charges,''Professor Young said.

"Some people may go as far as not flushing their toilet as often because the less sewage you produce, the less sewage rate you pay.''

Professor Young said sewer pricing needed to be addressed as part of the response to the water crisis.

"People have been frightened to talk about sewage because it is yucky stuff, but it is critically important to address it, as part of the whole water cycle,'' he said.

"We are looking at reforming the way sewage is priced and this plan will drive interest in the different ways water is used throughout Australia.''

The reform would see the abolition of the property-based charge with one based on a pay-as-you-go rate and a small fixed annual fee to cover the cost of meter readings and pipeline maintenance, Professor Young said.

The pay-as-you-go rate would provide financial savings for those who reduce their waste water output.

Professor Young and Mr McColl will promote the plan nationally through their Droplet, a newsletter whose 6000 subscribers include state and federal politicians, water policy specialists and economists around the country.

Professor Young said a sewage pricing plan, like the one proposed, was already used in the US.

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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: envirowhackos; sanitation; water
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To: RandallFlagg

I doubt you understand the principle. Supply pipes are pressurized and full, as in no air space. Sewage pipes are what is referred to as open channel flow. THey can’t meter that very easily.


41 posted on 02/16/2009 7:27:30 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Jet Jaguar

Seems to me septic tanks are going to be the wave of the future again eh?!


42 posted on 02/16/2009 7:30:22 PM PST by The Anti-One (So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.)
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To: mamelukesabre

I work in a brewery. We have readers installed all over the place to tell flow and temps of all fluids going in and out of the plant. Pressurized, gravity fed, you name it, they read it.


43 posted on 02/16/2009 7:31:00 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Abby4116
Sorry. I re-read my post- it might have been misleading. In Ct., we still pay for the sewer in the same manner you describe for Maryland---it's just my view that it's unconstitutional.

Its a gimmick. The sewers used to be paid from our city property tax. But the Dems upstate figured out a way to get more tax money out of the "rich and propertied" ---/s.... State law now mandates that the city separate the charge for sewers and they call it a "fee"----So, now one gets property tax and sewer fee-- and I guess that's supposed to make people think that somehow a "fee" is not a tax. -:)

Good luck in Maryland.

44 posted on 02/16/2009 7:31:21 PM PST by VinL (VinL---former username (wegotsarah.com))
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To: mamelukesabre
THis is a hoax. THey can’t measure your water that you flush down the drain.

I wish it was a hoax. What they do here is apply a sewage fee to all of your water usage. So my sewage bill is always the same as my water usage bill. If, for example, you are filling a pool or something of that nature you can call them and get that deducted from the sewage bill. So, it is no hoax but the whole thing stinks. :)

45 posted on 02/16/2009 7:38:09 PM PST by WildcatClan (Iam fimus mos ledo ventus apparatus)
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To: VinL

Thanks. We TAX everything in Maryland :)


46 posted on 02/16/2009 7:40:30 PM PST by Abby4116
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To: edcoil

This is no big deal. Here in the states your sewage rates are typically linked directly to your water bill. The more water you use, the higher your sewage rates are.


47 posted on 02/16/2009 7:42:36 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: Jet Jaguar

“My backyard would see a lot more watering.”

It doesn’t work that way. They don’t measure your sewage quantity, they base it on your water usage.


48 posted on 02/16/2009 7:43:39 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: RandallFlagg

Intermittent flows, over irregular surfaces, with suspended solids, LARGE SOLIDS, inside cast iron pipe? I’m not convinced.


49 posted on 02/16/2009 7:44:00 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: All

Seriously, as an Australian, I don’t have any real problem with this.

We’re the driest continent on earth (absent technical arguments about Antartica). Water is a scarce resource. We already have to pay for it - all these changes would do is help break down further what people are paying for and that allows for fairer charging.

I live in Melbourne - we are on what are referred to as Level 3 water restrictions and have been for some time. We’ve been told that we’ll always be on some degree of restriction [We’d love climate change to be real as most predictions say Melbourne, in the long run, would get more water.] Doing what they can to ensure people don’t waste water is a great idea. It might not be needed in other places. But for us, it is essential.

Toilets are one of the easiest things to make more efficient. The main reason most people haven’t done so here is because of the cost. This might provide an incentive to people to think about what they are doing.

The intent is strictly speaking to stop people flushing when they need to - but to generate less water.

I limit myself to three minute showers, and have water efficient toilets installed. My washing machine isn’t water efficient, but it’s on the way out and when I buy a new one that one will be. I’d rather not continue to subsidise those who simply waste water.

This isn’t an insane overreaction by environmentalists. It’s reflection of living in a dry place. The largest dam supplying Melbourne is 20% full. It was last full in 1996.


50 posted on 02/16/2009 7:58:49 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

“Don’t go to the bathroom alone, form a pool.”

Johnny Carson


51 posted on 02/16/2009 8:03:13 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Our local regional district has imposed a $1 per cubic meter sewerage addition to our water bill. This is on top of the fee for the water supplied to the house through a meter, and on top of our property taxes.

Those who are thinking that a septic tank is the answer are unaware that most municipalities that have sewerage systems have already outlawed septic systems: My folks had to fill their old septic tank with sand when the city forced them to hook up to the municipal sewer.

As for the ability to measure various sizes of semi-solid waste, a simple weigh scale system would be quite accurate. Think about it, if they can read you licence plate from space, or pick out an Al-Qaida cell-phone call with a satellite, measuring the flow of poo out your sewer pipe is child’s play.


52 posted on 02/16/2009 8:03:36 PM PST by Don W (People who think are a threat to socialism)
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To: KJC1

Houses I have been in that practice this STINK!
I think we’d see a return to outhouses to out smart these taxes.


53 posted on 02/16/2009 8:18:09 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: mamelukesabre
Actually, here in SW PA, they charge a sewer rate based on your water meter rate. The assumption is if you bring the water in, an equal amount goes out. I wanted to discharge the grey water into the backyard and was told I would have to get a separate meter hookup to get the credit. The meter charge, as you can probably guess, costs more than the credit would bring in.

Our water and sewer companies are staffed with SEIU employees who earn rates about 30% over what the market should pay. So in this state, blessed with water, we pay 30% higher water and sewer rates than the national average. Go figure!

54 posted on 02/16/2009 8:31:10 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Just use a bucket and throw it out the window.
You don’t have to pay a tax then.


55 posted on 02/16/2009 8:34:45 PM PST by Chewbacca (Buy gold and silver coins to profit from the comming dollar melt down!)
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To: Abby4116
Forgot to add we also pay a “flush tax” which comes in on the tax bill. That is a set amount ($30 per year) to pay for new, upgraded sewage plants. I think (and there was a big fuss about this) it even applies to those with wells and cess pools.

That's pretty sneaky, IMO, considering I'm on well and septic. The bureaucrats who vote for such taxes ought to ingest peoples' waste.

56 posted on 02/16/2009 8:37:08 PM PST by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: edcoil
Yea, because digging a latrine in the back yard will be back in style, and a whole lot cheaper.


57 posted on 02/16/2009 8:39:05 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Abby4116
Forgot to add we also pay a “flush tax” which comes in on the tax bill. That is a set amount ($30 per year) to pay for new, upgraded sewage plants. I think (and there was a big fuss about this) it even applies to those with wells and cess pools.

That's pretty sneaky, IMO, considering I'm on well and septic. The bureaucrats who vote for such taxes ought to ingest peoples' waste.

58 posted on 02/16/2009 8:39:17 PM PST by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: naturalman1975

It sounds like a big time compromise in hygiene and a potential disease risk mandated by bureaucratic interference to me. Didn’t a bunch of you get killed recently by wildfires that spread largely because of intrusive Leftist restrictions on clearing woodland fire hazards?


59 posted on 02/16/2009 8:42:54 PM PST by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: tom h
Taxing water by volume. A leftist’s dream.

I've always had metered water, except when on a well, and even then, the more water that's used, the more it costs.

60 posted on 02/16/2009 8:47:31 PM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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