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Ranking of US Presidents [by biased historians]
C-Span ^ | February 16, 2009 | C-Span/ liberal historians

Posted on 02/16/2009 7:15:08 PM PST by lonestar67

President/ Score/ rank 2009/rank 2000

Abraham Lincoln 902 1 1 George Washington 854 2 3 Franklin D. Roosevelt 837 3 2 Theodore Roosevelt 781 4 4 Harry S. Truman 708 5 5 John F. Kennedy 701 6 8 Thomas Jefferson 698 7 7 Dwight D. Eisenhower 689 8 9 Woodrow Wilson 683 9 6 Ronald Reagan 671 10 11

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KEYWORDS: historians; presidents; rankings; topten
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Interesting developments:

1. Reagan moves into the top 10 2. FDR & Johnson fall in rankings 3. Eisenhower and JFK move up 4. Bush Sr. is ahead of Carter 5. Bush W is rated near the bottom [which is absurd in my opinion]

I strongly believe that W is one of the greatest international presidents ever. He won three military engagements: Afghanistan, Iraq, and Liberia. He drastically improved relations with India. He removed the Libyan WMD program. He dramatically improved Africa-- ending his presidency with a 78% approval on the continent. Historians rate him near the bottom of all US Presidents. Clinton was rated 21 out of 42 at the immediate end of his term.

1 posted on 02/16/2009 7:15:09 PM PST by lonestar67
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To: lonestar67

Hoping this pagination is better:

Abraham Lincoln
902
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George Washington
854
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3
Franklin D. Roosevelt
837
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Theodore Roosevelt
781
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4
Harry S. Truman
708
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John F. Kennedy
701
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Thomas Jefferson
698
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Dwight D. Eisenhower
689
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Woodrow Wilson
683
9
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Ronald Reagan
671
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2 posted on 02/16/2009 7:17:05 PM PST by lonestar67 (Israel is not the enemy.)
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To: lonestar67

1. George Washington
2. Thomas Jefferson
3. Andrew Jackson
4. Abraham Lincoln
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Ronald Reagan


3 posted on 02/16/2009 7:17:50 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: lonestar67

Kennedy in the top ten? Why?

He should be at the near bottom - perhaps only relpaced by Carter at the bottom. Nah. No democratic-loving “Camelot” bias here. None at all.


4 posted on 02/16/2009 7:18:27 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: lonestar67
I wish someone would tell me what the hell Kennedy did to warrant any level of greatness.

His Bay of Pigs was a disaster, Civil Rights was a stalemate until after JFK died.

5 posted on 02/16/2009 7:18:37 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: lonestar67

By any measurement, how can Jimmy Carter be rated so high? Counting Habitats for Humanity after the fact?


6 posted on 02/16/2009 7:19:10 PM PST by Carling ("We've lost two people in my family because you dickheads won't cut trees down," - Warwick Spooner)
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To: lonestar67

FDR is actually one of the worst for trashing the fundamental Constitutional construct of a limited, highly constrained federal government.

JFK should be nowhere near the Top 10.


7 posted on 02/16/2009 7:19:35 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: Northern Yankee

He was young and popular.


8 posted on 02/16/2009 7:20:25 PM PST by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: lonestar67

Abe, Washington, Reagan belong in the top 5 for sure.


9 posted on 02/16/2009 7:21:34 PM PST by exist
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To: lonestar67

Grover Cleveland gets no respect, for no good reason.

I salute him!


10 posted on 02/16/2009 7:22:55 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: lonestar67

Well, in light of Lincoln’s bicentennial, our (liberal) friends had everyone go around the table and name their favorite president. Awkward silence when I announced mine was W! But at least I was wasn’t tarred and feathered...


11 posted on 02/16/2009 7:23:13 PM PST by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: Carling; All
"By any measurement, how can Jimmy Carter be rated so high? Counting Habitats for Humanity after the fact?"


12 posted on 02/16/2009 7:23:15 PM PST by musicman (Until I see a REAL C.O.L.B. BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: lonestar67

It’s going to be a long time (if ever, if the US keep falling under the control and brainwashing of the “liberals” and socialists so calle “Democrats” that Bush will ever get a fair shake and unbiased evaluation.

Before that will happen the entire culture, media, universities, etc. will have to be forced into being “fair and balanced” which will never happen without a few or many them being metaphorically beaten into some kind of submisson. Or worse (or better, depending on one’s viewpoint).


13 posted on 02/16/2009 7:23:34 PM PST by garyhope (It's world war IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam. VRWC. TWP.)
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To: djsherin
He was young and popular.

I say Zack Efron is one of our greatest presidents. He's young and popular too.

14 posted on 02/16/2009 7:24:04 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Obama must be the Antichrist. No one else would work so hard to destroy the US.)
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To: lonestar67

Exactly analysis but who care what these idiots think. The vast majority of them are left wing. President G W Bush already changed the course of history in a way very few Presidents before him and after him will do.


15 posted on 02/16/2009 7:24:06 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: djsherin

And what this has anything to do with greatness or achievements?


16 posted on 02/16/2009 7:25:15 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: lonestar67

what a comically biased list. They got it all wrong. At the top, it’s clearly Washington, Lincoln, Reagan.
I’d put GWB in the middle. I’ll controversially rate Nixon near the bottom, for taking us off the gold standard. At the bottom, it’s FDR, Carter, Obama. Obama gets an asterisk, since he’s still in office, and well, he’s got plenty of time to redeem himself (anything is possible, ya know).


17 posted on 02/16/2009 7:26:10 PM PST by kittycatonline.com
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To: lonestar67

I meant to say that your analysis about President Bush is excellent.


18 posted on 02/16/2009 7:26:42 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: exist

Interesting chart on Wikipedia.....lists all the Presidents and ALL the rankings thru the year...below shows the number rankings through the years since 1948....

Chronological order President Schlesinger 1948 poll rank Schlesinger 1962 poll rank 1982 Murray-Blessing survey of 846 historians Chicago Tribune 1982 poll rank Siena 1982 poll rank Siena 1990 poll rank Siena 1994 poll rank Ridings- McIver 1996 poll rank CSPAN 1999 poll rank Wall Street Journal 2000 poll rank Siena 2002 poll rank Wall Street Journal 2005 poll rank CSPAN 2009 poll rank

01 George Washington 02 02 03 03 04 04 04 03 03 01 04 01 02
02 John Adams 09 10 09 14 (tie) 10 14 12 14 16 13 12 13 17
03 Thomas Jefferson 05 05 04 05 02 03 05 04 07 04 05 04 07
04 James Madison 14 12 14 17 09 08 09 10 18 15 09 17 20
05 James Monroe 12 18 15 16 15 11 15 13 14 16 08 16 14
06 John Quincy Adams 11 13 16 19 17 16 17 18 19 20 17 25 19
07 Andrew Jackson 06 06 07 06 13 09 11 08 13 06 13 10 13
08 Martin Van Buren 15 17 20 18 21 21 22 21 30 23 24 27 31
09 William Henry Harrison – – – 38 26 35 28 35 37 – 36 — 39
10 John Tyler 22 25 28 29 34 33 34 34 36 34 37 35 35
11 James K. Polk 10 08 12 11 12 13 14 11 12 10 11 09 12
12 Zachary Taylor 25 24 27 28 29 34 33 29 28 31 34 33 29
13 Millard Fillmore 24 26 29 31 32 32 35 36 35 35 38 36 37
14 Franklin Pierce 27 28 31 35 35 36 37 37 39 37 39 38 40
15 James Buchanan 26 29 33 36 37 38 39 40 41 39 41 40 42
16 Abraham Lincoln 01 01 01 01 03 02 02 01 01 02 02 02 01
17 Andrew Johnson 19 23 32 32 38 39 40 38 40 36 42 37 41
18 Ulysses S. Grant 28 30 35 30 36 37 38 38 33 32 35 29 23
19 Rutherford B. Hayes 13 14 22 22 22 23 24 26 25 22 27 24 33
20 James Garfield – – – 33 25 30 26 30 29 – 33 — 28
21 Chester A. Arthur 17 21 26 24 24 26 27 32 28 26 30 26 32
22, 24 Grover Cleveland 08 11 17 13 18 17 19 17 16 12 20 12 21
23 Benjamin Harrison 21 20 23 25 31 29 30 31 31 27 32 30 30
25 William McKinley 18 15 18 10 19 19 18 17 15 14 19 14 16
26 Theodore Roosevelt 07 07 05 04 05 05 03 05 04 05 03 05 04
27 William Howard Taft 16 16 19 20 20 20 21 20 24 19 21 20 24
28 Woodrow Wilson 04 04 06 07 06 06 06 06 06 11 06 11 09
29 Warren G. Harding 29 31 36 37 39 40 41 38 38 37 40 39 38
30 Calvin Coolidge 23 27 30 27 30 31 36 33 27 25 29 23 26
31 Herbert Hoover 20 19 21 21 27 28 29 24 34 29 31 31 34
32 Franklin D. Roosevelt 03 03 02 02 01 01 01 02 02 03 01 03 03
33 Harry S. Truman – 09 08 08 07 07 07 07 05 07 07 07 05
34 Dwight D. Eisenhower – 22 11 09 11 12 08 09 09 09 10 08 08
35 John F. Kennedy – – 13 14 (tie) 08 10 10 15 08 18 14 15 06
36 Lyndon B. Johnson – – 10 12 14 15 13 12 10 17 15 19 11
37 Richard Nixon – – 34 34 28 25 23 32 25 33 26 32 27
38 Gerald R. Ford – – 24 23 23 27 32 27 23 28 28 28 22
39 Jimmy Carter – – 25 26 33 24 25 19 22 30 25 34 25
40 Ronald Reagan – – – – 16 22 20 26 11 08 16 06 10
41 George H. W. Bush – – – – – 18 31 22 20 21 22 21 18
42 Bill Clinton – – – – – – 16 23 21 24 18 22 15
43 George W. Bush – – – – – – – – – – 23 18 36
44 Barack Obama – – – – – – – – – – – – –


19 posted on 02/16/2009 7:28:04 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: lonestar67

The high rank of LBJ tells you all you need to know about the bias of these historians. The Iraq war was minor compared to Vietnam.


20 posted on 02/16/2009 7:29:20 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: garyhope

I really think it is important with Bush, Palin and others that it is important for conservatives to defend them even when they find them less than perfect. Liberals are epistemologically poisoning our society. They control what is “true”

Until we are willing to ‘get in their faces’ about our preference for limited government and genuine patriotism we will find ourselves victimized by the 1/3 of the public that simply follows a mediated lead.


21 posted on 02/16/2009 7:29:40 PM PST by lonestar67 (Israel is not the enemy.)
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To: jveritas

I knew what you meant because I think I understand where your heart is on these matters.

I have always admired that about you.


22 posted on 02/16/2009 7:31:39 PM PST by lonestar67 (Israel is not the enemy.)
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To: lonestar67

Bill Clinton’s legacy didn’t last too long.


23 posted on 02/16/2009 7:32:45 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: lonestar67
Just a note on the rating scale. Specifically, I don't see how Benjamin Harrison can even be rated as a President - he was President for only about a month before he died.
24 posted on 02/16/2009 7:34:25 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Johnson? Heck, Lincoln destroyed and overthrew the Constitution. Hussein and Baines were his legitimate children.


25 posted on 02/16/2009 7:34:32 PM PST by sobieski
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To: lonestar67

Thank you very much :)


26 posted on 02/16/2009 7:34:38 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: lonestar67

Got my own ranking, starting from the worst”

Abraham Lincoln; for tearing the country apart, and being responsible for the deaths of more men than were killed in all other U.S. wars put together.

Next worst: nobody else even comes close/


27 posted on 02/16/2009 7:34:47 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Yes, but he was a Miami Ohio grad.


28 posted on 02/16/2009 7:35:34 PM PST by lonestar67 (Israel is not the enemy.)
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To: lonestar67
Kennedy, Wilson and FDR way too high. Kennedy accomplished little, if anything, while President. I would rate Grover Cleveland in the top 10.
29 posted on 02/16/2009 7:35:34 PM PST by mak5
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
I don't see how Benjamin Harrison can even be rated as a President - he was President for only about a month before he died.

Nope. That was William Henry Harrison.

30 posted on 02/16/2009 7:36:24 PM PST by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Which tells you how stupid are the so called Historians who made this rating.


31 posted on 02/16/2009 7:36:50 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Chunga

You are right but still the rating is idiotic.


32 posted on 02/16/2009 7:37:36 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: lonestar67

Who really gives two craps about this? Such exercises can only be classified as mental masturbation by people who have nothing more important to do with their time.


33 posted on 02/16/2009 7:38:24 PM PST by USMA '71
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To: lonestar67

Some vastly underrated:
James K. Polk, Grover Cleveland, Calvin Coolidge
All better than JFK in my opinion


34 posted on 02/16/2009 7:38:39 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

That is all it ever was. Johnson, Wilson, and Roosevelt; three of the biggest socialists of the past century are all near the top.


35 posted on 02/16/2009 7:40:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: lonestar67
#3: Promoted Friendly Fascism and prolonged the Depression. Gave Eastern europe away to his buddy Uncle Joe Stalin.

#4: Many outstanding accomplishments, marred by his metamorphosis into a Bull-Progressive-RINO-Moose.

#5: Lost China, failed to prosecute Soviet spies in his Administration, didn't win in Korea, fired MacArthur.

Yeah, the libs still love them.

36 posted on 02/16/2009 7:41:48 PM PST by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: lonestar67

LBJ, a one-term failure, ahead of Reagan, Polk, Jackson and Monroe?! This list is a scam.


37 posted on 02/16/2009 7:45:15 PM PST by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: lonestar67

If they did this one month after Harry Truman left office, he’d be dead last.


38 posted on 02/16/2009 7:46:56 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: jveritas
"President G W Bush already changed the course of history in a way very few Presidents before him and after him will do."

Yes he has. But where do we start?

He's decimated the ranks of a Republican Party that should have been poised to bury the Donkeys after their decisive 2004 victory; He betrayed the GOP's platform of "smaller government and fiscal responsibility"; He left the Mexican border W-I-D-E open, enabling an Illegal Invasion to swarm the United States of America; He had border patrol agents arrested for defending that border from drug-dealers...

Dubya campaigned for RINO Senator Arlen Specter in 2004 instead of conservative Pat Toomey; He admitted the "evidence" and reasons for the Iraq War and ousting Saddam Hussein were BS; He lied to the American public during his campaign, maintaining that "America was NOT about "Nation Building," when it became so...

Instead of VETOing CRA, he approved this sham $440 billion mortgage giveaway to deadbeats back in 2002; He supported the $700 billion bail-out of Wall St....

Worst of all, Dubya Bush's dopey, ill-advised NWO/Gobalist-First policies ushered in the Marxist, Racist, punk-@ss Rat, Barry Soetoro-0bama and Democrat blitzkrieg of BOTH Houses, leaving the GOP impotent to stop ANY liberal "Hope" and "Change" the Democrats have ever fantasized about...And an America that may never recover.

In short George W. Bush was the RINO-of-RINOs, a fake conservative, and disaster for conservatives and America.

George W. Bush??:

WORST.

PRESIDENT.

EVER.

39 posted on 02/16/2009 7:47:39 PM PST by F16Fighter (Blame W. Bush who campaigned for victorious lib Specter instead of Toomey back in 2004 (1.5% diff))
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
"Just a note on the rating scale. Specifically, I don't see how Benjamin Harrison can even be rated as a President - he was President for only about a month before he died.

That would STILL rate him light years ahead of George W. Trainwreck.

40 posted on 02/16/2009 7:49:30 PM PST by F16Fighter (Blame W. Bush who campaigned for victorious lib Specter instead of Toomey back in 2004 (1.5% diff))
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To: lonestar67

My vote for the Most Overlooked Presidency goes to.....................(wait for it, cue drum roll).........James Knox Polk.
Seriously, check out his accomplishments, and his AMAZING life story.


41 posted on 02/16/2009 7:49:59 PM PST by conivorous
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To: lonestar67

You missed the biggies. Bush II put the Gulf States and China firmly in our corner and away from Russia. Our kids are sort of paying for the stimulus bill, but it’d be pure inflation if it wasn’t for the Gulf States and China sending back our money for treasury bills. Honestly, if everything goes to h in a handbasket, what are those going to be worth? Bush created a sort of implacable symbiosis between the USA, China, India and the Gulf States.


42 posted on 02/16/2009 7:50:30 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: SeaHawkFan
"Bill Clinton’s legacy didn’t last too long.

Coulda fooled me:


43 posted on 02/16/2009 7:51:27 PM PST by F16Fighter (Blame W. Bush who campaigned for victorious lib Specter instead of Toomey back in 2004 (1.5% diff))
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To: kinghorse
"Bush created a sort of implacable symbiosis between the USA, China, India and the Gulf States."

You're joking, right??

WE ARE pwned by China who steals U.S. technology while undermining our economy with slave-labor; The Muslim Gulf States will ALWAYS despise and reject "The Great Satan" despite the $1 trillion dollar bill and blood sacrifice to "Democratize" a Muslim Iraq which will inevitably revert to Sharia Law; And India (who is stealing high-tech jobs away from more Americans every day) is an inch away from blowing Pakistan off the face of the map.

Your "symbiosis" is a ticking Time-Bomb.

44 posted on 02/16/2009 8:00:18 PM PST by F16Fighter (Blame W. Bush who campaigned for victorious lib Specter instead of Toomey back in 2004 (1.5% diff))
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Obama’s gonna have that bottom spot, Mr. Carter is loving this guy.


45 posted on 02/16/2009 8:00:53 PM PST by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new enviromentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: lonestar67
I strongly believe that W is one of the greatest international presidents ever.

With that statement I strongly concur.

On FDR. I had been fed for years with the greatness of FDR. This has merit if living in England during the war years. I had recomended here on FR a book, "The New Dealers War". It is a conflict of emotion for me, since America saved our hides in WW2. Yet he had flaws.

Tragically, he was pushed into office when he was very ill. Putty in the hands of Stalin, who knew from the traitors in Washington, what was happening in "secret". Knew what cards FDR had in his hand. Needs re evaluation. Did the betrayal of Poland and others in Eastern Europe to the Ruskies, seriously deflate his great reputation?

Then there is last but one, Andrew Johnson of Tennessee, Lincoln's successor. The raw courage of the man, daring to virtually stand alone against the radicals, stamps him as one of the top ten.

(Imho) with nervous chuckle.

46 posted on 02/16/2009 8:02:46 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Redbob
"Got my own ranking, starting from the worst”...Abraham Lincoln; for tearing the country apart, and being responsible for the deaths of more men than were killed in all other U.S. wars put together."

True. Lincoln literally treated the Constitution like... "just a G-D@mn piece of paper" and blatantly violated States' rights to secede.

47 posted on 02/16/2009 8:03:49 PM PST by F16Fighter (Blame W. Bush who campaigned for victorious lib Specter instead of Toomey back in 2004 (1.5% diff))
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To: Peter Libra; lonestar67
"I strongly believe that W is one of the greatest international presidents ever."

"With that statement I strongly concur."

In which Solar System??

48 posted on 02/16/2009 8:06:22 PM PST by F16Fighter (Blame W. Bush who campaigned for victorious lib Specter instead of Toomey back in 2004 (1.5% diff))
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To: Northern Yankee

Kennedy gets high marks for cuban missile crisis. He stepped up. One can snipe about this or that but I can at least understand the rationale. I wouldn’t rate him as high as they did and it would certainly be well below Reagan. gerald Ford gets a fairly high score which makes zero sense. W should be in the middle somewhere but down the list because his accomplishments were limited to foreign and even that was controversial and he had ridiculously low approvals and ticked everyone off.


49 posted on 02/16/2009 8:06:53 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Chunga
Nope. That was William Henry Harrison.

Thanks. Oh, and by the way, I did that on purpose to see if someone would catch my "mistake." :-)

50 posted on 02/16/2009 8:10:27 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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