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Coal-fired power stations are death factories. Close them (James Hansen rant)
The Guardian (UK) ^ | February 15, 2009 | James Hansen

Posted on 02/17/2009 7:33:22 AM PST by CedarDave

A year ago, I wrote to Gordon Brown asking him to place a moratorium on new coal-fired power plants in Britain. ... The reason is this - coal is the single greatest threat to civilisation and all life on our planet.

The climate is nearing tipping points. Changes are beginning to appear and there is a potential for explosive changes, effects that would be irreversible, if we do not rapidly slow fossil-fuel emissions over the next few decades. ...

... How can people be expected to evaluate and filter out advice emanating from those pushing special interests? How can people distinguish between top-notch science and pseudo-science?

Those who lead us have no excuse - they are elected to guide, to protect the public and its best interests. ... If we do not change course, we'll hand our children a situation that is out of their control. One ecological collapse will lead to another, in amplifying feedbacks.

The amount of carbon dioxide in the air has already risen to a dangerous level. The pre-industrial carbon dioxide amount was 280 parts per million (ppm). Humans, by burning coal, oil and gas, have increased this to 385 ppm; it continues to grow by about 2 ppm per year.

The most threatening change, from my perspective, is extermination of species. ...

Clearly, if we burn all fossil fuels, we will destroy the planet we know. ...

Coal is not only the largest fossil fuel reservoir of carbon dioxide, it is the dirtiest fuel. ...

The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death. ... I estimated that in its lifetime [the proposed Kingsnorth power plant] would be responsible for the extermination of about 400 species ...

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: agw; carbondioxide; climatechange; coal; energy; globalwarming; hansen
Heavily edited to meet excerpt limits.

His use of hyperbole (comparing coal to death factories [run by the Nazi's]) is over the top. But for the uneducated, environmentalists and those politicans who believe in top-down control of our lives he makes a compelling case. Too bad [for him] more and more scientists are re-examining the basis for this facts and are drawing different conclusions or at least saying lets look harder at the science and not turn our lifestyle upside down based on what might be faulty or incomplete research.

This is the source article mentioned in an earlier FR thread posted here:

Has NASA's Hansen Finally Lost His Mind? (BTW, half of the article's links are pdf links.)

1 posted on 02/17/2009 7:33:23 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: xcamel; steelyourfaith

PING! to your lists.


2 posted on 02/17/2009 7:34:34 AM PST by CedarDave (Pray that during the next four years we don't lose the America we so love.)
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To: CedarDave

Barking

Moonbat


3 posted on 02/17/2009 7:35:54 AM PST by BenLurkin (Mornie` utulie`. Mornie` alantie`.)
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To: CedarDave
And for comment by scientific professionals be sure to visit:


4 posted on 02/17/2009 7:36:35 AM PST by CedarDave (Pray that during the next four years we don't lose the America we so love.)
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To: CedarDave

If all of those who are so concerned about CO2 output (but not their own, of course) would just go crawl into a hole and die, co2 output would drop and the Earth would be saved!


5 posted on 02/17/2009 7:36:53 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: CedarDave

At some point you just have to say, went around the bend on the coal train, didn’t we ...

People need to know how to recognize when others just go nuts, and help get them to professional help.


6 posted on 02/17/2009 7:37:03 AM PST by Tarpon (If you don't stand on principle, you stand for nothing at all.)
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To: CedarDave

either coal or nuclear

wind and solar will never compete.


7 posted on 02/17/2009 7:37:47 AM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW ,)
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To: Paladin2

The coal fired plants should be converted to nuclear power.


8 posted on 02/17/2009 7:37:59 AM PST by refermech
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To: CedarDave

9 posted on 02/17/2009 7:38:46 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: CedarDave
coal is the single greatest threat to civilisation and all life on our planet.

Never in the history of history has so much stupidity been packed into so few words.

10 posted on 02/17/2009 7:40:29 AM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: CedarDave

James Hansen is a moron. Close him.


11 posted on 02/17/2009 7:41:09 AM PST by USMA '71
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To: CedarDave

This guy is an eye rolling CO2 emitter..


12 posted on 02/17/2009 7:45:53 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: USMA '71
Hansen and his clones have reached the foot-stamping stage in their insistence they know what's best for everyone else.
13 posted on 02/17/2009 7:46:17 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: CedarDave

Tell you what. Let’s not ask the Astronomer James Hansen to render opinions on climatology just like we won’t ask a biologist to render opinions on seismology.


14 posted on 02/17/2009 7:46:24 AM PST by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: CedarDave

somebody needs to put a boot up his backside!


15 posted on 02/17/2009 7:47:09 AM PST by jrd
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To: CedarDave
The climate is nearing tipping points. Changes are beginning to appear and there is a potential for explosive changes, effects that would be irreversible, if we do not rapidly slow fossil-fuel emissions over the next few decades. ...

BWAHAHAHAHA...I can't read anymore.
16 posted on 02/17/2009 7:47:29 AM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: CedarDave

Hansen is channeling Jimmy Carter.


17 posted on 02/17/2009 7:48:24 AM PST by Ford4000
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To: CedarDave; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; SideoutFred; ...
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Does this idiot ever shut up? Image and video hosting by TinyPic

Climate Research News

Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown

GREENIE WATCH

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



18 posted on 02/17/2009 7:49:18 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: USMA '71

Coal is the single greatest energy resource in North America. We are to coal what Saudi Arabia is oil. This hysteria is meant to cripple America and western civilization. I for one say spend some of that porkulus bill on developing solid (coal) fuel automobiles to cut our dependence on foreign oil.


19 posted on 02/17/2009 7:51:32 AM PST by DaveyB (A government's ability to give is proportionate to their power to take away!)
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To: CedarDave
Dear Jimmy, don't worry about it. Your fellow scientists over at the History Channel say a huge asteroid will hit sooner or later while monstrous volcanoes are erupting.
But the mile high surf will be up to inundate the coastal cities burning from gamma radiation so not a big deal, Jimbo.

Finally those sickly survivors of the world wide pandemic will be toasted off by the sun expanding and wiping the slate of earth clean leaving it a blackened lump of coal like rock. Kinda of gives a warm feeling, doesn't it?

And you were worried about a little old power plant!

Bye and stay warm!

20 posted on 02/17/2009 7:56:47 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: arderkrag

Why can’t this guy choke on his own vomit? All the rest of us are.


21 posted on 02/17/2009 7:57:06 AM PST by aruanan
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To: CedarDave
Related thread:

The Political Philosophy of James Hansen

22 posted on 02/17/2009 7:58:05 AM PST by CedarDave (Pray that during the next four years we don't lose the America we so love.)
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To: Ford4000

“Hansen is channeling Jimmy Carter.”

I think it’s more Rachel Carlson.


23 posted on 02/17/2009 7:58:30 AM PST by Rennes Templar (The Messiah and the Religion of Fleece)
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To: Paladin2

Exactly! When these people live a completely “carbon free” life themselves, I might listen to them. Until then, they are just hypocrites.


24 posted on 02/17/2009 8:04:37 AM PST by henkster (When I was young I was told anyone could be President. Now I believe it.)
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To: aruanan
Why can’t this guy choke on his own vomit? All the rest of us are.

Hansen is not without his own Nemesis.

Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit hauls Hansen up by his short hairs rather regularly. It was McIntyre who forced Hansen to back off his pronouncement that 1998 was the warmest year on record, and putting that title back where it belongs, to 1934.

25 posted on 02/17/2009 8:09:07 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: CedarDave

Coal is the only significant source of power generation native to the UK. We still have a bucketload of the stuff underground and the only reason we don’t still mine the stuff on any real scale any more is because Thatcher, to her eternal shame, completely shafted the industry back in the 1980s instead of supporting it. Which is why we are now mostly dependent on foreign sources of energy when before we were net energy exporters in a big way....


26 posted on 02/17/2009 8:12:01 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: aruanan

ANY CHANCE WE COULD SEND HIM TO THE CLOSEST FAR-AWAY SPOT IN SPACE?


27 posted on 02/17/2009 8:23:30 AM PST by Foolsgold ("We live in the greatest country in the world and I am going to change it" Barry O'boomarang 2008)
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To: CedarDave
I just retired after 31 years in a coal fired power plant. the most deadly thing there is the stress caused by the rotating shifts.

Few make it to retirement age. Most find a “medical” reason to quit, (bad knees, bad back, stroke, We have allowed several very incompetent persons to use “medical” as an excuse to get them out of the company, One died from appendicitis, heart attacks, alcoholism. Only ONE got a disease (Mesothelioma, Asbestos). One from Louisiana, cancer capitol of the world, died of cancer. He smoked like a chimney.

The cooling lake is loaded with fish, Bald eagles are all over the place in winter, and I have seen more deer here than anywhere I have ever lived. There were were few deer thirty years ago.

The worst thing about that coal fired plant is that we had a couple of JERKS promoted to supervisors .

Hansen is full of it.

28 posted on 02/17/2009 8:39:08 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: Minn
coal is the single greatest threat to civilisation and all life on our planet

But Algore says the greatest threat is the internal combustion engine! Dissention in the lunatic fringe.

29 posted on 02/17/2009 9:10:29 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: CedarDave

Why is this man pontificating on the taxpayer’s dime?


30 posted on 02/17/2009 9:12:07 AM PST by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: refermech
The coal fired plants should be converted to nuclear power.

Easier said than done.

31 posted on 02/17/2009 9:18:51 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: exit82
Why is this man pontificating on the taxpayer’s dime?

Good question. During the Bush years, supporters cried "muzzling" if he did not express his views as frequently as he wanted. No with Obama supporting his views to the max, I suspect he's the poster child, and the red carpet and feast on the table are laid before him.

32 posted on 02/17/2009 9:50:20 AM PST by CedarDave (Pray that during the next four years we don't lose the America we so love.)
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To: exit82

Is there ANYTHING in nature that is irreverseable?

This is just fear-mongering plan and simple, just like the stimulus bill. Same playbook, it’s time we fight back.


33 posted on 02/17/2009 9:57:16 AM PST by Lets Roll NOW
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To: Minn

He’s wrong, Its Ice.


34 posted on 02/17/2009 10:25:57 AM PST by OriginalChristian (If you can't get Life right, nothing else you think or say matters....)
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To: CedarDave; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; ...
Thanx !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

35 posted on 02/17/2009 3:27:38 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Hope + Change = PORKULU$)
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To: Ole Okie
Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit hauls Hansen up by his short hairs rather regularly. It was McIntyre who forced Hansen to back off his pronouncement that 1998 was the warmest year on record, and putting that title back where it belongs, to 1934.

I enjoy soooooo much watching McIntyre drop kick Hansen, Schmidt, Mann, and others.
36 posted on 02/18/2009 12:01:19 PM PST by aruanan
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