Did humans really evolve from ape-like creatures?

AiG ^ | Dr. David N. Menton

[GodGunsGuts]

In one of the most remarkably frank and candid assessments of the whole subject and methodology of paleoanthropology, Dr. David Pilbeam (a distinguished professor of anthropology) suggested the following:

"Perhaps generations of students of human evolution, including myself, have been flailing about in the dark; that our data base is too sparse, too slippery, for it to be able to mold our theories. Rather the theories are more statements about us and ideology than about the past. Paleoanthropology reveals more about how humans view themselves than it does about how humans came about. But that is heresy."...

[TheOgre]

...........Slowly backing away from this thread.............

[GodGunsGuts]

Ping!

[Buck W.]

Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible.

[Always Right]

After watching the Dems in congress, it ain’t a big stretch.

[valkyry1]

humans really evolve from ape-like creatures?

NO 

[Leo Carpathian]

yearghhhh!
dummycrats did, when they crossed apes with rats

[Loud Mime]

Especially in the California Congress

[353FMG]

I have come across many humans who are.

[valkyry1]

Paleoanthropology reveals more about how humans view themselves than it does about how humans came about.

Pretty much what I have said all along

[R_Kangel]

"humans really evolve from ape-like creatures?"

Nah, they evolved from humans.

First came the human, then the human evolved into liberals and then into apes.

[GodGunsGuts]

Still waiting for your detailed exegesis. But after repeated requests for the same, I won’t be holding my breath.

[GodGunsGuts]

LOL! I think you are referring to devolution.

[GL of Sector 2814]

Given the fact that humans are apes, this is a rather odd question.

[Southbound]

Actually, if you observe the Democrat party, the conclusion can be reached that they are evolving INTO apes........well, monkeys, anyway.

[Names Ash Housewares]

I think I will ask Dr. Zira.

[pissant]

no

[KoRn]

After watching the actions of our government over the past few months, along with the results of the elections, one can’t help but to wonder....

[GodGunsGuts]

Humans are only considered by apes by atheistic scientists who want to make apes out of humans.

[GodGunsGuts]

Can you say devolution?

[utherdoul]

Well we might have evolved from something else, hell we might not have evolved at all we might have popped out of thin air and dust, or we might have come from outer space.

However until we do have more evidence we might want to assume that we evolved from something as evidence appears to point to it.

[9422WMR]

But Obama lied, people died....

[raptor29]

A very accomplished biochemist once told me that there is no way the proteins in an ape could ever have ‘evolved’ into those that make up a human. He said if we ‘evolved’ from anything, it was most likely from fish.

[Rome2000]

First we had Honest Ape in the WH and now its POTUS MUZZIE HUSSEIN FROM KENYA.

Its a tough call on which one will end up causing more damage.

[LiteKeeper]

You either don’t understand evolution or Christianity. There is no way they are compatible.

[GodGunsGuts]

As mentioned above, this is commonly referred to devolution :o)

[R_Kangel]

Right! Then into devils, devilution.

You got it!

[GodGunsGuts]

That “evidence” isn’t evidence. It is an assumption that is not in any way supported by the fossil record.

[Islander7]

He said if we ‘evolved’ from anything, it was most likely from fish.

Well that explains a lot!

[wendy1946]

Artists originally drew the neanderthal as a sort of a stooped ape-man. The first skeletons anybody turned up in the Neander valley (Thal in German) were diseased and arthritic; more recent reconstructions show something which was clearly not one of us, but which was not altogether frightening:



The next closest hominid would have been homo erectus, which was visually and almost certainly genetically much further removed from modern humans than neanderthal:

Thus we always used to see pictures of a sort of an evolutionist chain of being showing a progression of increasingly sophisticated hominids ending with the homo erectus and then the neanderthal, and then modern man.

The assumption was that we had evolved from the neanderthal. But there was always a big mystery as to why nobody ever found evidence of crossbreeding between modern man and the neanderthal despite evidence that the two groups had lived in close proximity for long periods of time in places such as the Levant:

http://discovermagazine.com/1995/sep/theneanderthalpe558

That presents a problem for evolutionists; in order to be descended from something via any process resembling evolution, at some point, you have to be able to interbreed with the something.

Then, starting in the late 1990s, DNA studies began to explain the mystery. Neanderthal DNA was extracted from several specimens and it turned out that neanderthal DNA was about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee; that plainly ruled the neanderthal out as a plausible human ancestor since the genetic gulf is simply too wide. We could no more interbreed (and produce offspring) with neanderthals than we could with horses.

http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0020057

This leads to a logical conundrum which evolutionites so far have been unwilling to face. "Too far genetically removed to be descended from" is a transitive relationship. In other words, if the neanderthal is too far removed from us for us to be descended from him and all other hominids are FURTHER removed, then logically we could not be descended from ANY of them.

Scientists who buy into evolution so far have been unwilling to face that one. The claim you read is that we and the neanderthal are COUSINS, both descended from some more remote ancestor, which is usually given as homo Heidelbergensis, a type of late erectus:

http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo2/mod_homo_1.htm

That's basically like claiming that dogs could not be descended from wolves, and therefore they must have descended directly from fish; it's basically idiotic.

The basic reality is that there is nothing on this planet which modern man could plausibly be descended from via any process resembling evolution.

[GodGunsGuts]

Got it! Needless to say, devilution is the result of a FALLEN state!

[Buck W.]

Are you asking for a biblical exegesis? You won’t be getting one from me. My point is that no tortured twisting of words from the Bible can be used to explain physical observations. Science, however, is perfectly compatible with the Bible and with Christianity in general.

[Buck W.]

Where do they diverge?

[GL of Sector 2814]

Humans are only considered by apes by atheistic scientists biologists

Fixed it for you :-)

[Julia H.]

“Humans are only considered by apes by atheistic scientists who want to make apes out of humans.”

Gee, I didn’t know I was an atheistic scientist. Thanks for letting me know—I’ll stop going to church, worshipping God and pursuing my degree in music now.

[raptor29]

Well, the point was to dismiss the whole ‘descended from monkeys’ sham. That’s why those clowns are always looking for the ‘missing link’, because they need a missing link to explain how those proteins could have ever done what the darwinists claim they did.

[4integrity]

Question: if humans evolved from apes, how come it’s still not occurring......or are apes in the zoos eventually becoming the zoo keepers??? just asking....lol.

[chesley]

Wrongo.

Dummycrats DEVOLVED from the apes. Just look into one’e beady, shifty eyes and tell me different

[wendy1946]

Science, however, is perfectly compatible with the Bible and with Christianity in general.

Real science is. Pathalogical garbage science like evolution isn't. Evolution isn't even compatible with any real science, particularly the laws of mathematics and probability theory.

[GodGunsGuts]

What tortured twistings of the Bible are you referring to exactly?

[GodGunsGuts]

I here they are expecting us to hand over the keys any day now :o)

[meadsjn]

Did humans really evolve from ape-like creatures?

For what it's worth -- many humans are still ape-like creatures. You can easily identify them because they are always trying ever so hard to convince others that the Earth is only 6000 years old and the creation story in Genesis happened in a literal week.

These creatures have such feeble faith in God that their tiny minds are horribly threatened with any examination of information that deviates, however slightly, from their narrow pinheaded views.

[Buck W.]

The ones that creationists use to “disprove” evolution, among others.

[GodGunsGuts]

Which biologists...the atheistic ones or the creation biologists?

[GodGunsGuts]

Which Bible verses would those be?

[Buck W.]

Not only do I disagree, but I believe that evolution is fully compatible the practice of Christianity. Where do you see the divergence?

[RobbyS]

Seriously, I was lead by a scene in the movie “Imheir the Wind,” to consider seriously the comments of the guy exhibiting the chimp, doing tricks like smoking a cigar, “Man does not descend from the ape, the ape descends from man.” In other words, the apes are a degenerate form of mankind. Take away the progressive mindset, where eveolution leads to mankind at the peak, and the comments don’t seem totally idiotic. The Europeans sailors who reached tropical Africa and encountered the champs et al, thought of them as degenerate human beings. So why not?

[old-ager]

> Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible.

Just a question: are you a Christian?

[GodGunsGuts]

I’m sorry, I should have said atheistic scientists, and those who put more faith in them than God’s word.

[Blood of Tyrants]

You probably don’t believe the story of the Great Flood and Noah even though Jesus referenced him by name.