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Lutherans Weigh Making Gay Clergy A Local Decision
Sacramento Bee ^ | February 19, 2009

Posted on 02/19/2009 12:21:58 PM PST by Steelfish

Lutherans weigh making gay clergy a local decision

ERIC GORSKI

Feb. 19, 2009.

The nation's largest Lutheran denomination will consider allowing individual congregations to choose whether to allow gays and lesbians in committed relationships to serve as clergy, an attempt to avoid the sort of infighting that has threatened to tear other churches apart.

A task force of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America recommended that course Thursday in a long-awaited report on ministry standards. The panel, however, said the church needs to clarify a number of questions before overhauling its gay clergy policy.

The report, issued at the same time as a broader church social statement on human sexuality, seeks balance on an issue dividing many Protestant churches. Both documents will be considered in August in Minneapolis at the biannual convention of the 4.7-million member denomination.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: elca; homosexualagenda; homosexualclergy; lutheran; lutherans; moralabsolutes; religiousleft; wolvesinsheepclothes

1 posted on 02/19/2009 12:21:58 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Another dying denomination.


2 posted on 02/19/2009 12:28:22 PM PST by Radl (rtr)
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To: Steelfish

Come to the WELS...


3 posted on 02/19/2009 12:29:46 PM PST by stayathomemom (Cat herder and empty nester)
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To: Steelfish

AW sheeezech, dammit! Why can’t the Lutherans learn from the Episcopalian disaster and take a clue?


4 posted on 02/19/2009 12:29:47 PM PST by meandog (The famous "Bush" sounding surname worth a damn belongs to NASCAR's Kurt&Kyle Busch--and not GEORGE!)
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To: Steelfish

How do these people claim to be followers of the WORD?
Making a acting sinner a person of the clergy without that person repenting that sin is so moronic that it surpasses understanding


5 posted on 02/19/2009 12:30:06 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Steelfish

Sure. Why not? Why not just come out and say:

“Lutheran church surrenders, admits there are no immutable truths”

- or -

“Lutheran church admits it was wrong, sin is a matter of opinion to be determined individually”

- or -

“Abortion to be decided locally - no right or wrong.”

- or -

“Pre-marital sex a personal matter, Lutherans okay with it if it suits you.”


6 posted on 02/19/2009 12:30:42 PM PST by Obadiah (Party - my house - on December 22, 2012!)
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To: Steelfish

The devil takes another one.

What is funny is that these denominations are doing this in order to get more people in the door, which in fact it goes to only hurt them. There was a mass exodus of right-minded Episcopalians when they pulled this crap, and now some Lutherans will be doing the same.

Stick to the Word of God, not the words of men.


7 posted on 02/19/2009 12:34:05 PM PST by Realm Weekly ("Have you noticed that those who are for abortion have already been born?" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Obadiah; SECURE AMERICA

I agree with you. I’m a member of an ELCA church, and I’ll email some of the national ELCA leaders, to try to persuade them to obey the Bible. I’ll look for Lutheran websites and ask many other people to email our leaders.

I know someone who is pro-gay who said churches should change, to conform with society, and I told her that society should change, to obey the Bible.


8 posted on 02/19/2009 12:35:12 PM PST by PhilCollins
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To: Steelfish

Part of the Great Apostasy.


9 posted on 02/19/2009 12:36:54 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Your reply was really harsh. It is also true, thanks for speaking up. We are called to be compassionate, we are also called to be truthful. Sometimes compassion is being straight forward and harsh.


10 posted on 02/19/2009 12:39:56 PM PST by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Steelfish

Church politics has always been local.

Apparently, now the definition of sin is also local.

(If everyone is doing it, it can’t be a sin, after all...)


11 posted on 02/19/2009 12:41:18 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Steelfish

And that is why I left the Lutheran church years ago. How can a religion call itself Christian when they don’t follow the Word of God?


12 posted on 02/19/2009 12:42:13 PM PST by ninergold3 ("Has it ever occurred to you that nothing occurs to God?" -Mark Lowry)
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To: Steelfish; lightman

Bump


13 posted on 02/19/2009 12:42:39 PM PST by SmithL (The Golden State demands all of your gold)
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To: Obadiah

I am sure those who are normally against immutable truths make exceptions for the “Truth Commission” being suggested for the Bush administration and also for the Truth that whites are all racists and any objection to anal intercourse is a sign of homophobia rather than belief in biblical morality.


14 posted on 02/19/2009 12:43:33 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: PhilCollins

If this is approved, a whole bunch of gays with seminary educations who can’t be ordained in other denominations will be knocking down the doors of the ELCA looking to be made righteous-appearing, and the ELCA will soon be totally dominated by gay clergy. Of course, a good many congregations and many individuals will decide to affiliate elsewhere if that happens, and let the devil have the ELCA. God works in mysterious ways, however, and maybe the rejection of the ELCA and its ridicule if it goes the gay clergy route will keep other denominations straight.


15 posted on 02/19/2009 12:47:49 PM PST by mathurine
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To: Obadiah

Fine analysis. Belief is now a matter of choice. There are no immutable truths.


16 posted on 02/19/2009 12:48:52 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: mathurine

ELCA is a super liberal denomination.
MCLS and WELS are super conservative (ie follow the Bible) denominations.

ELCA is to Lutherans as Madonna is to Catholics.


17 posted on 02/19/2009 12:50:22 PM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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18 posted on 02/19/2009 12:53:24 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (To hell with the RINO party!)
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To: PhilCollins

Sounds like they are Christians in name only.


19 posted on 02/19/2009 12:53:54 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: american_ranger
...MCLS and WELS are super conservative...

What is the MCLS? Did you mean the LCMS the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod or perhaps MLCS which is a good supplier of router bits?

20 posted on 02/19/2009 1:03:55 PM PST by DaveyB (A government's ability to give is proportionate to their power to take away!)
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To: PhilCollins

Did I tell you that I serve on the Board of Directors for our LCMS District?

You can come to the LCMS but, be prepared. We’re having political battles ourselves (conforming to mob-ocracy).


21 posted on 02/19/2009 1:24:43 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: Steelfish

Sure sounds like they are taking a moral stand.

TAX the church.


22 posted on 02/19/2009 1:29:23 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

No, you didn’t tell me that you’re on the board of directors. In which town do you live?

Last year, I joined a Missouri Synod church, Redeemer, of Waukegan. Last April, my dad, a retired ELCA pastor, told me that the ELCA committee on sexuality recommended that the ELCA never ordain gays, and he said that the leaders would probably do what the committee recommended. Since the ELCA agreed with me, I joined an ELCA church, St. Philip, in Glenview. I probably won’t leave the ELCA because my fiance attends an ELCA seminary.


23 posted on 02/19/2009 1:45:06 PM PST by PhilCollins
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To: Steelfish

Last time I attended a Lutheran Church, the Pastor was railing against Dubya from the dais. I’m no fan of his, but it was obvious that the Pastor was spouting communist dogma. Made me sick. Looks like the major European denominations have been infiltrated.


24 posted on 02/19/2009 2:20:58 PM PST by CowboyJay (Blame me. I didn't vote for Perot.)
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To: meandog
In some Lutheran synods, there's no need to learn. No one asks or proposes, as a core teaching is Sola Scriptura. The Bible doesn't err.

Satan & his minions have gained a foothold of the ELCA & I have to give credit to those who remain within her to fight for her soul.

25 posted on 02/19/2009 4:38:53 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Steelfish; Radl; meandog; Realm Weekly; PhilCollins; Obadiah; PetroniusMaximus; mathurine; ...

The Lutherans and Episcopalians are two of the more ethnically-based denominations of Northern/White Christians. The strategy by the Left/Evil community here might well be to divide the white nominal Christian community from the practicing Christian community.


26 posted on 02/19/2009 5:42:04 PM PST by ProCivitas (Pro-Family = Natural Marriage + Fathers' Rights + Pro-Life + Traditional Divorce Standards)
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To: Steelfish

Lutherans Weigh Making (fill in the blank) A Local Decision.


27 posted on 02/19/2009 5:47:55 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: ProCivitas

I dunno. I think they’d be even happier corrupting everyone. As long as the practicing Christians have no power to influence anything and they make offerings, send their children to be educated, they’d be more than happy to welcome all into the flock, the more the merrier. Bigger flock, greater political influence.


28 posted on 02/19/2009 7:31:08 PM PST by GoLightly
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