Skip to comments.The Winds Of Civil War: Illinois-Driven Marxist Attempt To Conquer Union
Posted on 02/20/2009 8:49:17 AM PST by Islander7
New Hampshire fired the first shot. Although 7 other states have similar pending resolutions and bills, Oklahoma is the first to actually pass one. Another 27 states are expected to make similar moves in the coming months. Thatll leave the country split 71-29.
Now, before you get too excited, bear in mind that all of this was likely Obamas goal. Boiled down, all of these state measures are threats of secession. Recall, if you will, Obamas obsession to be the 21st Century Abraham Lincoln, and his ominous calls to recreate and rebuild America. Who was Lincoln? Why, he was the man who preserved the Union by way of implementing military force against states that had seceded. Lincoln knew full well that he would not be preserving the Union, but that he would be conquering sovereign nations, and that he would then have to destroy their cultures and ideologies, remaking both in the image of the Norths. And that is precisely what happened in the aftermath of Lincolns war of aggression. He didnt preserve the Union, he changed it forever and handed unprecedented powers to the Federal Government.
Okay, so now Im going to run with a theory.
(Excerpt) Read more at patdollard.com ...
I believe only a few dozens head Rats AKA traitors. need to be "neutralized" starting with those who disseminate the socialist propaganda ... MSM heads and leftist academics and this will stop ...
In the meantime we as members of the opposition need to start serving on juries in order to nullify the governments attempts to imprison its political enemies. Look for trumped up drug and weapons charges ... a few guilty may get off but that would be a small price to pay
And that is exactly what happened at the first Constitutional Convention. The convention was called to revise the Articles of Confederation. Turned out pretty well, I think, but that’s no guarantee of future success. Especially given the nature of current elected officials.
Has an Illinois legislator proposed a resolution which asks the federal government to obey the 10th Amendment? If not, I’ll ask some legislators to propose it.
I think once control of funding has been regained by the States the Feds will have no choice but to relinquish administration of much back to the States. Except of course for what the constitution specifically grants the Fed authority over (i.e. Defense and etc.).
Technology is a two edged sword in that it has allowed the federal government to become almost an entity unto itself. When the constitution was first established communication was by carrier and transportation by carriage.
These days, a Senator can leave his Mothers wake in his home state to go vote in DC and be back by private jet before he is even missed.
Breaking things up among the States should at least make it more difficult for unscrupulous legislators or presidents to usurp the power of the people. I believe the founders wrote much into the processes for just such hindrances.
Take a good look at the map. The areas with the most financial problems are the blue areas. Go figure!
This is the sort of thread that FreeRepublic was uniquely designed for. Not the nutball threads that claim trilobites are clever forgeries to fool us about the Earths age....”
You mean they’re not?
we should just clean up the middle blue parts and kick out New England/West Coast/Upper midwest and move on.
“How does Allied States of America sound??”
It sucks. The collective term has been United States from the DOI through the Articles of Confederation into the Constitution and till now. Why let those who would destroy us make us change that?
Free States of America has a much better ring to it. Or just Free America.
A rallying cry and a national title all in one.
“all that matters once IT STARTS and the lines are drawn, geography is everything.”
I just had a look at the 2008 county results for Virginia. If “geography is everything”, it’s going to be geography at the level of county v county, urban v non-urban, more likely neighbor v neighbor.
I might need a little help cleaning up the blue Texas counties along the Rio Grande.
The blue areas in my state are Indian reservations and college towns. Neither are particularly reliable for anything other than delivering Dem votes...
Yeah, nothing like a good ol’ secessionist thread to keep us from appearing to be nutballs over here...
as soon as we clean up Houston, we’ll be down to help
I got news for you... WE are going to “bury” HIM, and every SOB that thinks like him... right down to the last soul.
Re: Amending the Constitution. It takes a 2/3 majority of BOTH houses of Congress to propose an amendment, OR 2/3 majority of state legislatures to file an application to call for a convention to amend. THEN, it takes 3/4 majority of the statesâ legislatures, OR 3/4 majority of the statesâ conventions to ratify any amendment. It ain’t an easy thing to do. And on purpose. See Article V of the Constitution.
Caveat... ANY discussion we might have here is surely being monitored by those in government hostile to liberty. BE AWARE. Some folks are sailing mighty close to the wind and the FedGov thugs would LOVE an excuse to shut down this board. PUBLIC discussions on topics like this need to be like Caesar’s wife: TOTALLY above reproach.
DO NOT FILE A TAX RETURN!
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!
THE TIME IS HERE FOR AN ALL-OUT TAX REVOLT...
NOT ONE PENNY FOR TRIBUTE...
BRING IT ON, OBAMA, YOU MARXIST SOB!
WE ARE READY, WILLING, AND ABLE!
My letter went out this afternoon to my state senator.
He is thinking of the The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878:
20 Stat. L., 145
June 18, 1878
CHAP. 263 - An act making appropriations for the support of the Army for the fiscal year ending June thirtieth, eighteen hundred and seventy-nine, and for other purposes.
SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
10 U.S.C. (United States Code) 375
Sec. 375. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel:
The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.
18 U.S.C. 1385
Sec. 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of
Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to
execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Editor’s Note: The only exemption has to do with nuclear materials (18 U.S.C. 831 (e)
I totally agree it wouldn’t be an easy thing to do and certainly wise of the framers not to make is so.
Others have paved the way with repeal of prohibition and cutting off the Feds water will undoubtedly mortally injure the Fed leviathan.
The effort may be the best and only chance we have left?
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, passed by Congress to further restrict the government’s ability to deploy the military within the US. It was designed to beef up restrictions already in place from the Insurrection Act of 1807.
However, there may be a huge loophole: Posse Comitatus could be waived if the president invokes the new version of The Insurrection Act. This loophole was provided by the Bush administration, with help from their friends across the aisle.
The John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (section 1076) for Fiscal Year 2007 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from “Insurrection Act” to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.” The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” The new law expands the list to include natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition”. The “condition” is neither defined nor limited.
Thanks again, Mr. Bush... you frigging globalist fruitcake.
In that you have taken the most appropriate first step. As a law abiding people we should adhere to the law of the land and we EXPECT our current crop of leaders to do likewise. The ‘DELUGE OF NOAH’ began with but one drop.
I suggest faith, perseverance and sometimes a BIG voice!
Thanks for the advice... That is an awsome and enlightening thread you started there.
But once people see than an Article V Convention is nothing to fear, they realize theyve found a way around congressional intransigence. So three years later, when 34 states petition for an Article V Convention to repeal the 16th Amendment, everyone knows what to do.
And I run again. And this time they listen to me.
Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:44:20 PM by Publius
Hopefully it will be in 09 and not three years later!
Need to be repeated!!!
Drug infested urban areas. Where else? When I read comments about a coming revolution, I wonder if anyone has given thought to the already lawless, armed population in most urban and suburban areas. You know, the ones stricter gun laws never come close to touching.
No clear lines, and much bloodshed.
All ya’ gotta do is Find some,,,
Think “Ol’Mother Hubbard”...:0/
I got to serve on one criminal jury but it was a child abuse case and both parents were guilty as hell. I was hoping for an “illegal gun possession” case but, oh well.
Maybe not now. But wait till oscumbo's military fagotization program has been completed and all the good people driven out.
~~ PING and pray .......
No, but considering the commie aholes in power, they DO have to CYA and attempt to moderate the rhetoric that is, no doubt, showing up in Einstein’s keyword search patterns even as we speak.
We need to learn to converse in code, in other words. Big Bro is listening, watching and learning. And you’re on report!
Why yes. I do believe you’re right. All those liberal “utopias” are going down the toilet (the perfect place for leftist cesspools). Meanwhile, here in Texas, a non-union, right to work state, we’re still doing relatively well. But if left up to Zero and his minions, that will all change, of course.
Next Obama moves:
1) End all volunteer military
2) Allow open gays in military
3) Reinstate the draft for both sexes
4) Allow draft waivers for Community service (Acorn etc.)
5) Establish a volunteer Acorn paramilitary.
Obama has the his trainers lined up already.
They will fight and they will kill fellow Americans. The military would not.This is why Obama needs a civilian armed paramilitary force.
And if Texans will fight them, I will go to Texas!
DO NOT FILE A TAX RETURN!
Most are due a refund for taxes already paid, they need to file a return to get it. Everyone should file a new W-4 and claim enough exemptions to stop deductions for income taxes but that won’t stop FICA.
yes. I think it’s become apparent that the federal gov’t is not going to reduce itself. It’s high time for the states to step up and undelegate it’s powers. True, the states can be just as tyrannical, but I think that without the overgrown gorilla in washington to give them cover and draw attention away, it will make the states more accountable.
Excellent idea. In fact there are several good sites that would be good links for reference and archival resources. Thanks for the tip.
“I think this is precisely why Obama is creating his Civilian Army...”
That’s what this is...
It does no such thing. It's silent on the issue, but the militia, the organized portion of which is the National Guard, may indeed be called forth "to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"
That's from Art I, section 8. Section 9 contains those things Congress, and thus the federal goverment, may not do, using the Army to "suppress Insurections" is not one of them.
The Posse Commitatus *law* does prohibit use of the Army and Air Force to enforce the laws, and the Marines and Army are prohibited from doing so by regulation. Regulations are changeable with the stroke of a pen, the DemonRats have shown they can pass, and thus change, the law PDQ when they want.
As others have said, they were not classmates. But they had both served in the Mexican war. Grant resigned his commission but "went active" again after the CW started. Lee was very reluctant to go against the Union, but in the end his Loyalty to Virgina outweighed that to the Union. It was a different time, with most people identifying much more with their states than we do today.
The sole purpose of the original Constitutional Convention was to amend the Articles of Confederation. The articles required that any such amendments be adopted unanimously. The Convention through out the articles and put the Constitution in it's place, but only required 9 of the 13 (and then 14) states to ratify for it to go into effect.
Once a Constitutional Convention starts, it cannot be limited in scope as you propose.
IF the Convention followed the current Constittion, any changes/amendments, including one reading "delete everything after "We the People" and substitute...." would still require ratification by a super majority of the states. BUT that ratification could be by state conventions, rather than the state legislatures. The Constitution is silent on how the delegates to such a convention would be picked, by the states.