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The Winds Of Civil War: Illinois-Driven Marxist Attempt To Conquer Union
Pat Dollard ^ | Feb 20, 2009 | Pat Dollard

Posted on 02/20/2009 8:49:17 AM PST by Islander7



New Hampshire fired the first shot. Although 7 other states have similar pending resolutions and bills, Oklahoma is the first to actually pass one. Another 27 states are expected to make similar moves in the coming months. That’ll leave the country split 71-29.

Now, before you get too excited, bear in mind that all of this was likely Obama’s goal. Boiled down, all of these state measures are threats of secession. Recall, if you will, Obama’s obsession to be the 21st Century Abraham Lincoln, and his ominous calls to recreate and rebuild America. Who was Lincoln? Why, he was the man who “preserved” the Union by way of implementing military force against states that had seceded. Lincoln knew full well that he would not be preserving the Union, but that he would be conquering sovereign nations, and that he would then have to destroy their cultures and ideologies, remaking both in the image of the North’s. And that is precisely what happened in the aftermath of Lincoln’s war of aggression. He didn’t preserve the Union, he changed it forever and handed unprecedented powers to the Federal Government.

Okay, so now I’m going to run with a theory.

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In order to possess long-term dictatorial powers, Obama must recreate America as a Marxist culture and economy protected by both a limitless intelligence agency and a paramilitary police force. Once these goals are achieved, the traditional military will be preserved to support similar revolutions overseas, and to defend against foreign threats. (Subduing you is his first goal, but not his ultimate one. His brain his already 150 chess moves past the end of the upcoming American civil war. You are but stepping stones. In his mind, he’s already buried you.) Audacious? Yes. The epitome of change? Yes.
1 posted on 02/20/2009 8:49:17 AM PST by Islander7
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To: Islander7
Full title would not fit.

The Winds Of Civil War: Illinois-Driven Marxist Attempt To Conquer Union Threatened With Military Challenges

2 posted on 02/20/2009 8:50:14 AM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Islander7

I’ve always said that if the South does it again, the Mountain West and the lower Midwest would go with them.

New Hampshire was kind of a surprise, though.


3 posted on 02/20/2009 8:51:01 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: stainlessbanner; Jack Black

Ping


4 posted on 02/20/2009 8:53:34 AM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Islander7

If it comes to civil war, so be it!.....I will never live in a socialist America!....NEVER!!!


5 posted on 02/20/2009 8:54:21 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I’ve always said that if the South does it again, the Mountain West and the lower Midwest would go with them.

Yup.

6 posted on 02/20/2009 8:54:43 AM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I grew up in TX, but live in CA now. I have been waiting for something like this for a long time.

The Federal Govt must be defeated and restored to the form our founders intended.

I’m sure the Obama police are on their way to my house right now.


8 posted on 02/20/2009 8:54:57 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Islander7

That is a scary scenario. However, I agree with it totally.


9 posted on 02/20/2009 8:55:06 AM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Er ... uh ... you already are.


"The United States of America was created by the people ... who rose up against their standing oppressive government, and shot the bastards."

13 posted on 02/20/2009 8:59:09 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: Islander7
zero is no Lincoln. The liberal states (the true red states) are not the industrialized north and the conservative states are not the south lacking in resources, population and industry.

I say let's get it on - sooner rather than later. Let's see the big, bad, scary gay, liberal, afraid of taking a single casualty, lacking discipline, pot smoking army come to Texas and suppress us. And in this civil war, the conservatives will be on the side of Liberty, the liberals on the side Karl Marx.

14 posted on 02/20/2009 8:59:29 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: Islander7
one problem with an otherwise solid theory;

The Proud and Extremely Ethical United States Military WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN,Why, you ask, because no officer is duty bound to follow an illegal or immoral order. If Obieonesocialist tries that he will be clapped in irons so fast his SocCommie head will spin.

My observation is based on serving in the U.S. military and long association with many, many officers.

16 posted on 02/20/2009 9:00:53 AM PST by ScareyFast63
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To: Islander7

On 1/27/2009 Obama signed an exective order to bring 200-250 thousand people in from the GAZA strip all paid for by us.

Is this the beginning of his national police force?


17 posted on 02/20/2009 9:01:55 AM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to preserve liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. SP-0)
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To: rigelkentaurus

If we the people must defend our country against this disaster in the making when no politician will help then I cannot stand by and watch it all go to hell!


18 posted on 02/20/2009 9:02:43 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Islander7

Somebody said he’s no lincoln—well, had it not been for lincoln there well never have been an “h”!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/lincoln-arch.html


19 posted on 02/20/2009 9:05:08 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: Islander7

Interesting article.

Another thing Pr Obama may be overlooking is the military, enlisted and officer alike are sworn to defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.

The author is correct in saying that if federal employees “went on strike”, so to speak, it would cripple him. That is true, but in the world of logistics, the more support “we the people” can get the better chance we have at winning the upcoming civil war.

Like the game of othello, any piece that could be on his side could also be on ours. What we need is not just people to go on strike, but to actively aid and assist: imagine what would happen if we had the electric companies on our side, we could shut down DC’s power-grid and snuff out some of his command-and-control ... same with the telephones. (maybe not ultra-high level, but certainly mid and low level comms)

The key to winning is Logistics. (Like popular support, ammo, food, fuel/transportation...)


20 posted on 02/20/2009 9:05:12 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: gunnyg

red from the start

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/republican-party-red-from-the-start-by-alan-stang/


21 posted on 02/20/2009 9:05:59 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
"If it comes to civil war, so be it!.....I will never live in a socialist America!....NEVER!!!"

I hate to break it to you, but you already are, and have been for a very long time.

22 posted on 02/20/2009 9:06:28 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Islander7

Either we fight with all we have or soon all will have nothing. Economic chaos is Hussein’s first goal and the sooner is comes the faster he intends to move to the next step to consolidate his power base.


23 posted on 02/20/2009 9:07:49 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: Islander7
Sir, there is an alternative:

The constitution allows the states to call a constitutional convention any time they like.
The sole purpose in this case would be for:

1. Ratification of an amendment repealing the 16th amendment.

2. Granting states sole responsibility for the collection of taxes from individual citizens and business except for tariffs.

3. Restrict congress from creating any law or taxes not specifically related to granted authorities as defined by the constitution.

Currently approximately 2/3 of the States are Red States. I believe a 2/3 majority is what would be required to ratify the constitution.

The 16th amendment gave birth to the Federal Government monster and the states are the ONLY entity that can possibly reign in the feds.

If it can be repealed we will have a much better chance of stopping the destruction of America. As part of the act of repeal, congress may not create any law not specifically related to its constitutionally authority.

Now is the time. The polls indicate a very low congressional approval of around 11%? Congress has overstepped its mandate considerably.

Almost half of the state legislatures are considering or have representatives preparing to introduce resolutions which reassert the principles of the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution and the idea that federal power is strictly limited to specific areas detailed in the Constitution and that all other governmental authority rests with the states.

Now is the time. Please contact your state and local representatives and ask them to please consider the above!

24 posted on 02/20/2009 9:08:23 AM PST by Errant
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To: OneWingedShark

going to be hard for zero to manage new england and the west coast with us sitting in the middle.


25 posted on 02/20/2009 9:08:34 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: rigelkentaurus; All

How does Allied States of America sound??


26 posted on 02/20/2009 9:08:54 AM PST by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: ScareyFast63
The Proud and Extremely Ethical United States Military WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN,Why, you ask, because no officer is duty bound to follow an illegal or immoral order.

True enough now....but not necessarily during a prefabricated crisis.

All Obama has to do is create a crisis by passing a very high firearms license/tax. Enough to start a few high profile Lexington Green's part two: Say in Waco or Ruby Ridge or Eldorado or the like.

As soon as people start firing on National Guard or such, well, the Army is going to do their duty to restore order under the constitutional authority of the POTUS whether they agree with him or not.

It's not as simple as just saying the Army are moral, ethical, professionals.

Those positive qualities could perhaps be used jujitsu style.

27 posted on 02/20/2009 9:08:55 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Retired Greyhound

The State of Jefferson - The unique identity of the mountain border region of northern California and southern Oregon, its lands and its people.

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/


28 posted on 02/20/2009 9:09:21 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Retired Greyhound
"The Federal Govt must be defeated and restored to the form our founders intended."

The sooner the better. The more time the Usurper has, the worse it will be. I wonder how our military will react, obey the Usurper, or will a general have the balls to refuse? (which the constitution says he has to)

29 posted on 02/20/2009 9:11:07 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: ScareyFast63

The constitution prohibits the military from being used against the people.
That’s why I was wondering who the top generals would obey, the Usurper in chief, or the constitution of the USA?


30 posted on 02/20/2009 9:15:09 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: G.Mason
"The United States of America was created by the people ... who rose up against their standing oppressive government, and shot the bastards."

That time has come again ...

31 posted on 02/20/2009 9:16:31 AM PST by clamper1797 (FUBO ... The Kenyan Lincoln)
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To: rigelkentaurus

Like I said, Logistics. Logistics and Operations will go very far for us... especially if we can cut his out from under him.


32 posted on 02/20/2009 9:16:44 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: stockpirate
"On 1/27/2009 Obama signed an exective order to bring 200-250 thousand people in from the GAZA strip all paid for by us.

WTF? what was the reason given for that?

33 posted on 02/20/2009 9:16:48 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Islander7

This will NOT be CW2 but American Revolution 2. There are way to many of us even in the blue states that are not going for this ...


35 posted on 02/20/2009 9:17:48 AM PST by clamper1797 (FUBO ... The Kenyan Lincoln)
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To: Nathan Zachary
The constitution prohibits the military from being used against the people.

Where?

36 posted on 02/20/2009 9:18:08 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I guess zero thinks we practice with live targets??


37 posted on 02/20/2009 9:18:31 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: icwhatudo

He’s not a legal President but rather a foreign enemy agent IMO


38 posted on 02/20/2009 9:18:56 AM PST by clamper1797 (FUBO ... The Kenyan Lincoln)
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To: Errant

My state of residence is a write off - Michigan - as we’ve been blown away by a foreign liberal Dem.


39 posted on 02/20/2009 9:19:14 AM PST by mcshot (Michigan: First in worst, last in best and sinking fast.)
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To: clamper1797

“This will NOT be CW2 but American Revolution 2. There are way to many of us even in the blue states that are not going for this ...”

Excellent point - zero is like King George III, not Lincoln.


40 posted on 02/20/2009 9:20:02 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: sam_paine
Professional military officers will not follow Obama’s orders blindly because the majority of them are gun owners and will be able to assess an artificial crisis when it is created by a would-be usurper of constitutional values.

The SCOTUS weighed in on the 2nd amendment when they handed down the Washington D.C. gun ruling. Officers are aware of the ruling.

41 posted on 02/20/2009 9:20:42 AM PST by ScareyFast63
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To: stockpirate

250,000 Hamas terrorists would make for good ‘warm up’ practice for the People’s Militia, but I think, as you do, that they are intended to be Obama’s organizers for the 6-10 million muzzies already here.


43 posted on 02/20/2009 9:22:36 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I think it depends. Many of the Generals will probably resist, so they will be replaced by willing Generals.

I would say that most of the soldiers are from families with strong values, families that are opposing Obama. It’s hard to imagine that they would go to war against the heartland where they are from.

I think this is precisely why Obama is creating his Civilian Army.


44 posted on 02/20/2009 9:24:16 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Nathan Zachary
"On 1/27/2009 Obama signed an exective order to bring 200-250 thousand people in from the GAZA strip all paid for by us."

Is this for real? Got a link?

Thanks in advance!

46 posted on 02/20/2009 9:25:02 AM PST by Errant
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To: clamper1797

BTW the ones that need to be dealt with are those in the MSM propaganda machine who are foisting this imposter on us. Without them he is nothing.


47 posted on 02/20/2009 9:25:14 AM PST by clamper1797 (FUBO ... The Kenyan Lincoln)
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To: stockpirate
"On 1/27/2009 Obama signed an exective order to bring 200-250 thousand people in from the GAZA strip all paid for by us."

Is this what you are talking about or something else?:

Presidential memorandum No. 2009-15 issued on 2 February 2009.

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE

SUBJECT: Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related to Gaza

By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the "Act"), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.

You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

BARACK OBAMA

48 posted on 02/20/2009 9:25:32 AM PST by icwhatudo
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To: AuntB

Hi AuntB, I remember this. I have been to this website before.

If I’m not mistaken, they are more interested in becoming a 51st state, rather than an independent nation (which is fine. Gotta start somewhere).


49 posted on 02/20/2009 9:26:05 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: ScareyFast63

You are absolutely right. Where would 0bama get soldiers to enforce his fiats? I have to believe that the vast majority of the armed forces would never turn on their fellow Americans. If all 0bama can round up for his secret police are ACORN community organizers, that fight would last less than 5 minutes.


50 posted on 02/20/2009 9:26:09 AM PST by Lou Budvis ( 'Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson are rolling in their graves.')
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