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National Guard scraps plans to invade rural town
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | February 20, 2009 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 02/21/2009 12:26:19 AM PST by Boucheau

DES MOINES, Iowa – Following publicized reports that the Army National Guard was planning a military training exercise on the streets of a rural Iowa town, the commanding officers have called off the mock "invasion."

The Guard had planned a four-day urban military operation in tiny Arcadia, Iowa, population 443, sending troops to take over the town and search door-to-door for a suspected weapons dealer.

The exercise was designed as a mock scenario to give soldiers the skills needed for deployment in an urban environment, and military officials stressed that only households that consented to be part of the drill would be searched.

"It will be important for us to gain the trust and confidence of the residents of Arcadia," Sgt. Mike Kots, readiness NCO for Alpha Company, told Carroll's Daily Times Herald. "We will need to identify individuals that are willing to assist us in training by allowing us to search their homes and vehicles and to participate in role-playing.

"We really want to get as much information out there as possible," Kots continued, "because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia."

Military spokesman Lt. Col. Greg Hapgood, however, told WND that the operation has now been "scaled back" and no longer involves an "invasion" of Arcadia.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: arcadia; bho44; iowa; nationalguard; possecomitatus
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'mock invasion"

"search door-to-door for a suspected "weapons dealer".

"to give soldiers the skills needed for deployment in an urban environment"

"improve the public's understanding of military operations."

Why the hell does the public have to have an "understanding" of military operations? Since WHEN is this high on the military's list of frickin' priorities?

What the heck is going on? Can anyone tell me whether or not in the history of the US military they have conducted staged "mock invasions" of US towns?

"Weapons dealer"????? That fits quite neatly with a search for a gun owner/armed citizenry, does it not?

Who are these people?

I am a patriot and among the best friends the American soldier could hope to have in an average citizen. THAT's why I'm asking these questions.

WHAT THE HELL are they doing running military games in small-town America?????

This is more than a bit disturbing to me on its face.

Perhaps someone could enlighten me?

...creepy as hell.

1 posted on 02/21/2009 12:26:19 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

don’t know what to say. thought these searches were illegal, but it seems everything goes these days.


2 posted on 02/21/2009 12:29:29 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Boucheau

Yes, that is very disturbing. Searching for a weapons dealer sounds like a real mission that could take place within our borders.

It’s for the children?


3 posted on 02/21/2009 12:29:41 AM PST by scott7278 (Don't Tread on Me!)
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To: Boucheau

You seem to already understand FRiend. Yes, they’re conditioning the sheep.


4 posted on 02/21/2009 12:30:37 AM PST by JOAT
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To: Boucheau

What freaked me out was the “crowd-control measures” description. That sounds too much like an in-house operation for my taste.


5 posted on 02/21/2009 12:33:45 AM PST by scott7278 (Don't Tread on Me!)
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To: Boucheau; All

Those who are interested in this topic should use this link to see reports of another exercise like this that took place in Monterey, California close to March 14th, 1999.

At the time there was a lively discussion on this forum regarding the event. I came down heavily against the exercise. Others thought it was a great idea, and thought it was supportive of our military.

There was also a report in 2008 about a training exercise in the South. Folks were also very supportive of that one. I wasn’t.

I don’t like the idea of our citizens being desensitized to full blown military operations on our soil. I also question the value of a mock assault on our cities, since I can’t think of too many cities outside the U.S. that are just like U.S. cities. Canada might fit. I don’t see Europe fitting. Africa? Asia? These places just aren’t brimming with small towns just like those in the U.S.

Link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=monterey+california+mock+military+invasion&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=50&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off


6 posted on 02/21/2009 12:39:49 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: Boucheau
Glenn Beck mentioned this on his FNC show yesterday evening. He mentioned two towns or two separate operations - one was this town in Iowa I don't recall the other one.
7 posted on 02/21/2009 12:42:06 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Boucheau

If there was nothing amiss, they wouldn’t have backed off.


8 posted on 02/21/2009 12:43:34 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: scott7278

“crowd-control measures”

Exactly.

I’ve been observing, but not buying into wholly, the theory regarding one-world government for years.

Why isn’t 0bama/Administration trying to help LIFT the spirits and confidence of Americans in regard to the economy?

Why is the government moving so fast and so fierce with tax hikes and regulation—DURING A RECESSION? Knowing full well these DEPRESS an economy?

Why after 30-some years of running do Fannie and Freddie fall—just prior to an election? Even after having been warned by the “oversight” committee of 50 people?

Why are they not slowing the onslaught of illegal aliens at our borders? Knowing full well that this dilutes the population of born-and-bred/integrated Americans who actually know something about the constitution and vote accordingly? AND knowing full well just how they will vote, by and large.

Just questions.

I have many more.


9 posted on 02/21/2009 12:49:15 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: PetroniusMaximus

My take on it would be, if there was anything amiss, they wouldn’t have backed off.

I don’t see this as a sinister ploy by the military. I just don’t think they understand all the dynamics at play, when U.S. Citizens have to watch them conduct military activity on U.S. soil, especially one that entails them locating and securing weapons.

The house to house search activity, is just damned chilling IMO.


10 posted on 02/21/2009 12:49:59 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: television is just wrong

Yeah, there is this little thing called the 3rd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States:

“No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.”


11 posted on 02/21/2009 12:53:32 AM PST by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"This exercise will improve the real-life operational skills of the unit," said Kots. "And it will hopefully improve the public's understanding of military operations."

It appears "the public" understands the operation very well and does not approve.

12 posted on 02/21/2009 12:54:28 AM PST by TYVets
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To: DoughtyOne
Strange...it's almost like there was some mysterious 8-year lapse in internal military operations within the US.

Will coincidences never cease!

13 posted on 02/21/2009 12:55:23 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: scott7278

I’m a total supporter of our military, but this is all wrong in my book. Government always take advantage of the willing.


14 posted on 02/21/2009 12:55:53 AM PST by catbertz
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To: Boucheau
Check this one out from 1999...
Is the Army invading Texas? February 15, 1999
15 posted on 02/21/2009 12:59:06 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DoughtyOne

Or see how people on the internets would respond to the proposal and blog posts reactions/regarding it.

It is/was a good look at dynamics.

0_0


16 posted on 02/21/2009 12:59:12 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Boucheau

Ya know what’s creepier? When the news gets out....it’s cancelled....


17 posted on 02/21/2009 1:00:35 AM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Boucheau
And this one...TOLEDO MAYOR TELLS MARINES “NO” TO URBAN WARFARE TRAINING IN CITY February 14, 2008
The armed Marines — members of Company A, 1st Battalion, 24th Marines from Grand Rapids, Michigan — were in Toledo to participate in an urban warfare training exercise, one of several planned across the nation by the Pentegon.

You're slow to the show. As you can see "urban warfare training" (Google those keywords) has been going on in US cities and towns for some time, and far more frequently than most realize.

18 posted on 02/21/2009 1:03:42 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: The Duke

I get your point, but I’m not convinced it’s a valid one.

In one of my posts here, I mentioned there was another military ‘exercise’ in the south, I think 2008, but possibly 2007.

When I spoke out voicing concern for this, someone that lives down near where the exercise was taking place, explained to me that these exercises take place down there not all that infrequently. And they stated that the local folks love having the military use their town for training.

So I’m not at all sure there has been an eight year lapse.

I am a rabid supporter of the military. I respect our troops. I just don’t see exercises in our towns as a great idea.

If the national guard needs to become involved due to national disasters or some sort of civil disturbance such as riots, I understand.

Other than that, I don’t want them displaying their comfort at carrying out military activity inside our nation.

With Obama talking about creating a domestic wing of the military, I am ten times as adamant about this.


19 posted on 02/21/2009 1:04:03 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I don’t see this as a sinister ploy by the military.”

I don’t think for a minute that those involved in the actual games are sinister. I’m not so sure about the “intellectual giants” at the top, though.

“The house to house search activity, is just damned chilling IMO.”

Whoa! I literally had goose bumps reading through it the first time.

Sure, let’s have the MOST POWERFUL MILITARY ON THE PLANET play war games in our town—enter AND SEARCH our homes and businesses, brush by our loved-ones and flex their muscle in our living rooms!

Two explanations:

1. A plan to contain and disarm Americans when the economy tanks, or some other such catastrophe.

2. The leaders have forgotten how we view the military and their proper place OUTSIDE our society. We are NOT to mingle with our military in such a way—FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

THEY ARE FOR DEMORALIZING AND KILLING OUR ENEMIES—THAT’S ALL!!!!—NOT TO HELP US “UNDERSTAND” HOW THE MILITARY OPERATES—an utterly ridiculous and unbelievable excuse for this outrage.

The US Military has no business “training” in and amongst the American citizenry—none whatsoever—it cannot be justified.

If they need a small town—build it. If they need citizens—hire actors, for God’s sake.

Unbelievable!


20 posted on 02/21/2009 1:05:17 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: Brad's Gramma
"Ya know what’s creepier? When the news gets out....it’s cancelled...." Excellent point!
21 posted on 02/21/2009 1:06:43 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: Brad's Gramma

The news got out before the Monterey, California exercise in March of 1999, and the military carried out their exercise anyway. There were protests against it. If you think the cancellation is creepy, carrying on that 1999 exercise with protesters on site, was even creepier to me.


22 posted on 02/21/2009 1:07:07 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Yes, that’s true.


23 posted on 02/21/2009 1:07:58 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: The Duke

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1967606/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1967651/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1967651/posts

My...half the forum is turning into Carty Finkbeiner...

And these where marines...not weekend warriors...

Really after you read a couple of these threads you see how silly this is NOW...just becuase zero is in office?

The US military may be the last friend the american citizen has on the face of god’s earth...dont piss on their leg just yet.


24 posted on 02/21/2009 1:09:06 AM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: DoughtyOne

Arcadia, Iowa???
~~~
I thought it was Arcadia,Louisiana!!! (spits on the ground).

Where Bonnie and Clyde got their asses shot all to pieces!

( I met one of them guys when I was lil’ feller),,,

I bet the got some phone calls...;0)


25 posted on 02/21/2009 1:11:08 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Boucheau

Your thoughts echo mine on the topic. The one caviot I might make, would be that they are only entering the homes of people who have given permission. Let me ask you something, would you feel comfortable with members of our military walking through your home with full battle dress on, and their weapons in hand? I respect the hell out of these guys, but I wouldn’t allow anyone at all to enter my home with a weapon, short of the police or a swat team and I didn’t have any choice.


26 posted on 02/21/2009 1:12:25 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: Boucheau
Same story, two sources for reference...
Army Sec.: Troops Ready for Iraq

NucNews - October 31, 2002
Army Sec.: Troops Ready for Iraq
White noted the difference in training for such warfare today compared to a decade ago, saying the Department of Defense (news - web sites) now has excellent facilities for training troops in urban fighting on a number of bases - not just at its major training centers.

So if there were so many facilities way back in 2002 you have to wonder why local towns are being used.

27 posted on 02/21/2009 1:14:51 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

I thought it was Louisiana also.

BTW, Bonnie and Clyde had a home in Joplin, Missouri, and we used to drive by it once in a while. Okay, it’s slow in Joplin at times, what can I say. ;-)

We also drove by the building in Coffeeville, Kansas where the Dalton Gang got theirs a couple of times. I remember seeing the bullet holes in the walls in the alley.


28 posted on 02/21/2009 1:15:59 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: Boucheau
"improve the public's understanding of military operations."

if this was planned against homes without fore-allow... oh my!

29 posted on 02/21/2009 1:19:36 AM PST by eyedigress
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To: Crim

“...dont piss on their leg just yet.”

Any American who doesn’t look upon the United States Military and its power somberly doesn’t have a good grip on the fragility of freedom.

Let me say again: I’m a patriot and a descended from quite of few fighting men—two of whom died in WWII.

I was raised by my Grandparents and tend to be old-fashioned in my root beliefs.

The power of US Military IS NOTHING TO TAKE LIGHTLY, FRiend.

The parallels and similarities to militarized rule, the softening up of citizen and soldier, the precedent are too, too dangerous.

They have no business “training” in American cities and towns.

This is a skill they DO NOT NEED because THEY WILL NEVER ATTACK AN AMERICAN TOWN, RIGHT?

Again: if they need a town they can build a prop-town.

This is serious, serious stuff, folks.


30 posted on 02/21/2009 1:20:18 AM PST by Boucheau
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Weapons dealer"????? That fits quite neatly with a search for a gun owner/armed citizenry, does it not?

Exactly... and what will the NWO consider an "weapons's dealer"??

Anyone possessing more than one weapon.

Just watch, next you will be hearing that if you own more than one your'e some kind of 'dealer'.

31 posted on 02/21/2009 1:23:23 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Boucheau
"...sending troops to take over the town and search door-to-door for a suspected weapons dealer."

The officers in charge of that exercise are knuckleheads, probably with the mental squishiness of Al Gore. I did training exercises in a small US town a few times, but we trained to secure the residents and infrastructure. We didn't practice aggression against them. The residents enjoyed watching us and regarded us as friendlies, and that was during the Clinton years.

If the story isn't exaggerated or omitting facts (WND, you know), the people in charge of that birdbrained idea are worse than knuckleheads.

From the UCMJ:

"894. ARTICLE 94. MUTINY OR SEDITION

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who--
[...]
(2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;...
"

And there's pertinent law from our Constitution and US Code.


32 posted on 02/21/2009 1:23:51 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: scott7278

Watch the movie “The Enemy Within” sometime.


33 posted on 02/21/2009 1:25:24 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: DoughtyOne

“Let me ask you something, would you feel comfortable with members of our military walking through your home with full battle dress on, and their weapons in hand?”

If you knew me personally you wouldn’t bother asking that question.

They had better be there searching for the Chinese soldiers they winged while defending our town.


34 posted on 02/21/2009 1:25:51 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

I hear ya.


35 posted on 02/21/2009 1:29:53 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: DoughtyOne

Bump for... later...


36 posted on 02/21/2009 1:32:39 AM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Boucheau
"The exercise was designed as a mock scenario to give soldiers the skills needed for deployment in an urban environment,..."

...must be MPs or some other kind of rear echelon outfit, as the exercise described is police work--not soldier work.


37 posted on 02/21/2009 1:32:55 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: DoughtyOne
“I don’t want them displaying their comfort at carrying out military activity inside our nation”

The problem IS that they are “weekend warriors”
not regular army or marines. I fear too many of our Ntl Guard troops have been watch the very BAD example of the police officers dressed as ninja’s breaking down doors, hog tieing women children and old ladies, killing citizens pets,.. and more with manufactured warrants.

Oh and for you who think I am making this up type citizen invasions in the search. Just a few weeks ago one of the think tanks had a map with the interactive invasion spots in the U.S.

A large number.... maybe half had the citizen being killed and no evidence found. This has gotten out of control.

Anyway, I think the story of the invasion of Arcadia was a feeler put out by the government to gage citizens awareness. But did anyone see the one young guardsman who was practically salivating talking about what they were going to do.

There was a happy gleam in his eye, and spring in his voice. Maybe I was tired but it was sickening.

Oh, and I have a kid in the regular military currently and my wife has a cousin in the NYPD. So don't play your games and making stupid accusations. Particularly if you have a “member since date” of less than 6 months.

Too tired, don't need the hassle.

38 posted on 02/21/2009 1:33:08 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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To: philman_36

I remember that one.


39 posted on 02/21/2009 1:36:59 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Boucheau

I presume those questions are rhetorical, right?


40 posted on 02/21/2009 1:39:50 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Boucheau
“we view the military”

your statement was too short. It should also be how the military.. particularly regular troops view the citizenry. The natl guard soldier in the video was pretty happy describing how they were going to do it.

Many of the Ntl guard troops I think just want to get some ninja suited type action for their $200 a weekend (or whatever). And there was NO name tags or type of unit designation I could see on the uniforms.

NO "Police", "FBI", "Ntl Guard" or "ATF" showing prominently any where I noticed.

41 posted on 02/21/2009 1:41:12 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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To: Boucheau
"There are no active duty bases in Iowa, so there are no urban warfare training areas of any size," Hopgood said. "In order to get that larger neighborhood feel or city feel, we have to be creative and partner with our communities."

How unusual...
MILITARY OPERATION ON URBAN TERRAIN (MOUT)
COMBINED ARMS COLLECTIVE TRAINING FACILITY (CACTF)
CAMP DODGE, JOHNSTON, IOWA
1 November 2007
1. Purpose. To provide guidance for the safe, efficient and economic conduct of training on the Military Operations in Urban Terrain at Camp Dodge, Johnston, Iowa.

It's statements like those made in the article that, when combined with further information, makes you wonder...
"What the hell was he thinking when he said that!"

42 posted on 02/21/2009 1:41:37 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DoughtyOne
I don’t see this as a sinister ploy by the military. I just don’t think they understand all the dynamics at play, when U.S. Citizens have to watch them conduct military activity on U.S. soil, especially one that entails them locating and securing weapons.

It amazes me that they don't seem to have one person on the planning staff at whatever level this was hatched who realized how this might be taken- especially in the conservative heartland. Especially after having been through all of this eight years ago. Especially with national leadership now to whom 'hope and change' appear to mean intentionally turning the country upside down.

43 posted on 02/21/2009 1:43:22 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: DuncanWaring

“I presume those questions are rhetorical, right?”

Well, yes, and no—if you have knowledge that I don’t have I’d sure appreciate your divulging it.

I don’t presume to have the answers, really.

But an inquisitive citizen is slippery in the hands of tyrants.

So I got that much goin’ for me. :)


44 posted on 02/21/2009 1:44:40 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: ChinaThreat

“No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house”

Are they practising to live in the citizens houses?

Do you have this mixxed up with another law?

Maybe.


45 posted on 02/21/2009 1:44:51 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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To: Boucheau

Why don’t they just go to Ciudad Juarez for some real-world training?


46 posted on 02/21/2009 1:46:00 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: DuncanWaring
There's more, I just didn't want to get tedious and was kind of using it as an example of how long these things have been going on.
Be sure to check out reply 42 and let me know how high your BS meter goes.
There's plenty more MOUT info available.
47 posted on 02/21/2009 1:46:26 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Boucheau

Let these idiots go to DC and practice there.


48 posted on 02/21/2009 1:47:35 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Boucheau

The basic answer to all those questions is that 0bama has spent his entire adult life hanging around with people who want to destroy this country, turning it into, at best, a third-world s#!+hole.

Everything he does is in support of this goal.


49 posted on 02/21/2009 1:48:36 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: philman_36

He was thinking nobody would question his assertions.


50 posted on 02/21/2009 1:49:50 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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