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Gruesome Killing Poses Another Test For US Muslims
SFChronicle ^ | February 21, 2009

Posted on 02/21/2009 4:52:49 PM PST by Steelfish

Gruesome killing poses another test for US Muslims

ERIC GORSKI, AP Religion Writer February 21, 2009

The crime was so brutal, shocking and rife with the worst possible stereotypes about their faith that some U.S. Muslims thought the initial reports were a hoax.

The harsh reality of what happened in an affluent suburb of Buffalo, N.Y. — the beheading of 37-year-old Aasiya Hassan and arrest of her estranged husband in the killing — is another crucible for American Muslims.

Here was a couple that appeared to be the picture of assimilation and tolerance, co-founders of a television network that aspired to improve the image of Muslims in a post 9-11 world.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beheading; bridges; bridgestv; hassan; honorkilling; honorkillings; honourkilling; honourkillings; islam; kaliyuga; koran; moderatemuslim; moderatemuslims; muslim; muslimamericans; muslims; muslimwomen; quran
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Perhaps time for another Crusade that calls for the forced deportation and repatriation of all Muslims and Hindus from the U.S. These are diabolical cultures inimical to the traditions. rituals, and heritage of the United States.
1 posted on 02/21/2009 4:52:49 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Well, I will take small offense at the American Hindu part. I don’t know any violent *American* Hindus. I was born a Hindu, and converted recently to Christianity. Now, I will agree that I do not know 100% of my ancestors’ religion — but I don’t recall any troubling passages in the Vedas like the Koran has. I also do not know of any prophet in Hinduism that claimed he got verses from Satan like Mohammad.

Though, overseas Hindus have been quite a problem as of late. Especially with their persecution of Christians in India.

As for American Muslims, that seems to be a mixed bag. On the one hand you have very peaceful “cafeteria Muslims” like my sister-in-law and her family, and on the other hand you have Muslims like this murderer who beheaded his family, and organizations like CAIR, Nation of Islam and Saudi sponsored mosques, etc...

Tough problems to solve. And one that will only get worse with Premier Obama at the helm.


2 posted on 02/21/2009 4:58:04 PM PST by rom (Obama '12 slogan: Let's keep on hopin'!)
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To: Steelfish

This killing has NOTHING to do with Islam.

It is a hate crime to even imply that. This was simply the logical conclusion of a small domestic argument.

(/s)


3 posted on 02/21/2009 4:58:34 PM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: Steelfish
"I wouldn't say (the problem) is particular to the Muslim community...
Well, the beheadings certainly are.
4 posted on 02/21/2009 5:00:02 PM PST by Bob
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To: BobL; Steelfish

5 posted on 02/21/2009 5:00:27 PM PST by Lady Jag (Believe in your heart that you're destined to do great things)
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To: BobL

Beheading? Not an Islamic Punishment?


6 posted on 02/21/2009 5:04:00 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Moslems have been chopping people up for 1400 years.

Half of them do the chopping, and the other half sit around supporting the chopping.

The best we can do is keep them “over there,” so they murder each other.

Folks, what practical steps can we take to limit moslem immigration to the USA?


7 posted on 02/21/2009 5:04:05 PM PST by Islam=Murder (The United States - surrendering to Sharia without a peep.)
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To: Steelfish

Why Hindus?

Over the years, Hindus have probably been the recipient of more muslim violence than any other group of people.
The muslims are responsible for the naming of the mountain range, the Hindu Kush. Hindu Kush means Slaughter of the Hindus, an act inflicted on vast number of Indian slaves who perished in passing its snows while being taken to be sold in the Middle East and Europe by Islamic conquerors.

Most Hindus that I have met are exceptionally peaceful people.


8 posted on 02/21/2009 5:04:34 PM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: rom

Of course you are familiar with Hindu honor killings, bride burnings, and the inflexible caste system entrenched in religious belief and, as you appear to recognize, the rape of Catholic nuns and setting fire to Christian Houses of Worship. You are to be applauded for your conversion and much welcomed.


9 posted on 02/21/2009 5:08:29 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Hindus?

What is your problem with Hindus?


10 posted on 02/21/2009 5:09:18 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: Steelfish

All muslims are savages.
No matter how they try to cover it the reality is that they are in-breaded barbarians, cowards at that.


11 posted on 02/21/2009 5:10:20 PM PST by mowowie
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To: FormerACLUmember

See Post #9 Disagree?


12 posted on 02/21/2009 5:10:28 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

If there’s any plumbers on here, I’m designing a “poop on mohammed’s face” toilet bowl.

Basically, mohammed smiles upward as people defecate on him.

I’m also designing a “poop on mohammed kitty litter tray” so cats can enjoy the satisfaction of defecating on mohammed.

Dogs, I haven’t really worked on yet.

What about “Allah T.P.” ?

Is there a place that prints custom patterns on toilet paper?

(Pooping on mohammed isn’t hateful if you do it WHILE your head’s being chopped off. In that case, you only receive a ticket).


13 posted on 02/21/2009 5:10:42 PM PST by Islam=Murder (The United States - surrendering to Sharia without a peep.)
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To: Steelfish
I missed the memo on Hindus.

Satanic muzzie animals should have been deported after 9/11, we are about 8 years late on that, guess it will have to wait until the next time they murder more than 3,000 innocent people in a couple of hours.

14 posted on 02/21/2009 5:11:18 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Islam=Murder

“Folk’s, what practical steps can we take to limit moslem
immigration to the USA?”...

...Kill them “over there”.


15 posted on 02/21/2009 5:14:07 PM PST by Semper Mark (As graceful as a bulldozer and as subtle as a wrecking ball.)
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To: Lady Jag
Just wondering..why, pray tell, that battered Muslim women need their "own shelter?"

Are there separate shelters for battered black women, for battered Hispanic women, for battered honkies, etc...

And BTW..speaking of horrific crimes..it was only last year that an Egyptian born cab driver..I think it was in Michigan..killed his own two teenage daughters because he felt they were becoming too Westerniized and were disobeying him. The beheading of the wife is a horrific crime...but cold-bloodedly shooting, at point blank rang..your own two daughters..your own flesh and blood..that's even worse, if indeed that's possible..

16 posted on 02/21/2009 5:14:59 PM PST by ken5050 (Don't blame me, I voted for Palin!!)
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To: Steelfish; IndianChief; Naveen Seetharama; lifepower; correspondent; a khan; peekaboo_india; ...
Steelfish: Perhaps time for another Crusade that calls for the forced deportation and repatriation of all Muslims and Hindus from the U.S.

You had better re-think the idea of deporting Hindus...

Kurukshetra War - Kali Yuga ping...


To be added to or removed from this ping list, please FReepmail Sir Francis Dashwood.

17 posted on 02/21/2009 5:18:38 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Steelfish
“Gruesome killing poses another test for US Muslims”? Not really, it just shows the true nature of the Cult of Islam!
18 posted on 02/21/2009 5:19:50 PM PST by WellyP
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

LOL!


19 posted on 02/21/2009 5:20:35 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

I’ll delay on the Hindus, but the Jihadists need to be killed.


20 posted on 02/21/2009 5:26:12 PM PST by steveyp
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To: Steelfish

The crime was so brutal, shocking and rife with the worst possible stereotypes about their faith that some U.S. Muslims thought the initial reports were a hoax.


Sorry—the real hoax here is that there is such as thing as moderate Islam. Just a bunch of timebombs waiting to be “radicalized”.


21 posted on 02/21/2009 5:29:39 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Steelfish; Fred Nerks
Muslims in the USA have a choice. become peaceful Americans, or buy the ticket home.

America first. Islam second.

If that doesn't fit YOU as a Muslim:

Call American Airlines and " Head OUT!"

22 posted on 02/21/2009 5:29:50 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Steelfish

I totally disagree. I do not want to give the government the power to punish or deport people for their beliefs. Only for criminal acts that infringe on another person’s rights.

While I am a Christian and therefore “anti-Islam” in the sense that I oppose Islamic beliefs as being un-Biblical, un-Christian, and blasphemous, I refuse to accept the idea that Islam is an inherently violent religion. Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Shintos, and Jews all had such things said about them, and they turned out to be untrue.

The need to prosper in a market economy is what forces religions to adapt and become less radical, less violent. That’s the answer. Not more war or division. If the entire Middle East was made up of stable free market economies, there would be no wars there. Jews and Muslims could hate eachother all they wanted to but they’d still be forced by market realities to cooperate and get along.


23 posted on 02/21/2009 5:41:12 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: Steelfish
It gets me sick the way he drive by media tries to cover up for anti American/anti western ideologies such as Islam.

In keeping with the tepidness and idiocy of the drive by media's whitewash of this typical Islamic honor killing, I present The Nose on your Face docu parody of this horrific crime, presented on youtube Islamic Rageboy Addresses Muslim tv exec's beheading of his wife

24 posted on 02/21/2009 5:46:18 PM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: LifeComesFirst

“I refuse to accept the idea that Islam is an inherently violent religion”

You, sir, are as blind as a bat.


25 posted on 02/21/2009 5:49:20 PM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My cartridges are lubricated with pig grease!")
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To: Steelfish
[She]. . . said honor killing is a cultural and not religious phenomenon. She said it's practiced in some Muslim countries but not others and is present in nations with people of other religions.

I hear this often in "defense" of Islam but I can only think of some sects of Hindus who have such a thing. Most religions had a period of time when women were treated harshly or inequitably. However, the extreme of Islam seems unique.

26 posted on 02/21/2009 5:56:24 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

To this day, Hindus in India engage in honor killings, burn brides when dowries are not paid, casteism is part of religious dogma and ritual, and firebombing Christian houses of worship is not uncommon. Why should we import this culture?


27 posted on 02/21/2009 6:12:54 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: rom
Now, I will agree that I do not know 100% of my ancestors’ religion — but I don’t recall any troubling passages in the Vedas like the Koran has. I also do not know of any prophet in Hinduism that claimed he got verses from Satan like Mohammad.

Agreed.
Our First Amendment protects Freedom of Religion; and although I know Christ is the ONLY way - people have a right to worship as they please. There are blowhards in all religions (Hindu, Christianity, etc), but it is only the islamic 'religion' that has (un)holy books that encourage their adherents to commit murder and mayhem in their efforts to 'convert' the infidels (or in the case of this article - to encourage 'honor murders'). As such, I'd argue that islam does not merit First Amendment protection - and it should be explicitly excluded from being covered. It is suicidal for a nation to allow such a dogma to exist on its shores.
Again - as I've noted before - most muslims in this country are as 'good' and 'moral' as anyone -- the problem is that their professed beliefs are a 'ticking timebomb' - and no one is done any favors by burying their heads in the sand and pretending that these beliefs are compatible with a society that treasures freedoms.

28 posted on 02/21/2009 6:16:13 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Islam=Murder

Very creative ideas. Seems very marketable. Keep at it kid.


29 posted on 02/21/2009 6:17:22 PM PST by petertare (--)
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To: LifeComesFirst

I suggest you attempt to acquaint yourself with Islam a bit more. You can start with inventing skyjacking, running planes into buildings, bombing trains in Madrid and London, bombing girls schools in their home countries, trying to blow up an airport with propane cylinders, and beheading wives in Buffalo NY. For starters. There’s more.


30 posted on 02/21/2009 6:35:31 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: El Cid

Islam isn’t just a religion, it’s a system of laws, of government, of morals, of a way of life, and more. It’s a lot more - and it’s incompatible with freedom.


31 posted on 02/21/2009 6:37:04 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Steelfish

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/contrasting-christianity-and-islam


32 posted on 02/21/2009 7:18:12 PM PST by grumpa (VP)
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To: LifeComesFirst

In terms of a culture and religions antithetical to all what America stands, Hinduism and Muslim share a lot in common.

http://www.anti-caste.org/orissa-hindu-right-atrocities/


33 posted on 02/21/2009 7:18:18 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: LifeComesFirst
The need to prosper in a market economy is what forces religions to adapt and become less radical, less violent. That’s the answer.

You're assuming islam is a religion. It isn't. It's a CULT. And at the head of that cult is mohammad. A psychopath. Considered by mohammadans as divine, the perfect man who must be emulated...and as for 'market economy' remember, the wealthiest arab nation, Saudi Arabia, follows sharia law. Public beheadings, removal of limbs, floggings...and goodness knows what else.

PROPHET OF DOOM

34 posted on 02/21/2009 7:33:18 PM PST by Fred Nerks (We've got to get him out of that White House!)
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To: Steelfish

Adding my .02 - Muslims and Hindus are worlds apart, and Hindus have suffered torture, genocide, and slavery from the Muslims since before 1000 AD.


35 posted on 02/21/2009 8:26:32 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Steelfish

I have never heard of a Hindu “honor killing”, the caste system is something that can be explained but I do not have time right now (aside from the fact that its use is now falling apart and as currently practiced not based on the scriptural injuctions anyway), and as far as violence against Christians, much of it is either lies by the media - of course, anyone committing violence as you describe should be strongly punished. But keep in mind also that some of the “Christian” groups in India are fronts for Maoist and terrorists. Christian in name only.

Bride burnings, from what I have read, are perpetrated by Muslims as well, and have nothing - nada - to do with actual Hinduism, Hindu teachings, or history. It’s kind of like calling any crime by someone who is nominally a Christian (goes to church occasionally, or even lives in a community with a lot of Christians) who murders his wife a “Christian wife murder”.


36 posted on 02/21/2009 8:31:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

I think you need some serious education about Islam teachings, Islamic history, and current events.


37 posted on 02/21/2009 8:33:38 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah

Would this help?

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/11/stories/2007071160811200.htm


38 posted on 02/21/2009 8:36:05 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

One gruesome crime does not a cultural or religious practice make.

I am very familiar with Hindu teachings, scripture and history. “Honor killings” are not part of any of them. Sure, there are crazy murderious Hindus just like there are crazy murderous Christians. Hindus or Christians who commut such horrible crimes are not worthy representatives of their respective faiths.

Additionally, neither Jesus Christ nor any of the saintly Hindu teachers ever authorize or teach such murder; in fact the opposite.


39 posted on 02/21/2009 9:01:19 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Steelfish
This gruesome beheading of a woman is not a TEST for the Muslim community, its a TEST for AMericans to wake up to the cultural threat posed by Muslims

Muslim culture is parasitic, and it always results in the killing of its host.

40 posted on 02/21/2009 9:38:06 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: elcid1970

Calling me blind as a bat isn’t much of an argument.

I’m talking about Islam AS A RELIGION, not the activities or beliefs of current Muslims. Islamofascism is more a cultural/political movement using religion as an excuse to drum up support.

The fact that there *are* moderate, 21st-century, non-violent, non-backwards Muslims (including clerics) shows that adherents of the religion *can* adapt, I take that as a positive sign. Not from a universalist, “multi-faith” standpoint, but from the standpoint of somebody who doesn’t want people to bomb markets or cut peoples’ heads off or whatever other craziness they come up with.

From a Christian standpoint, there is no difference in terms of salvation, but I’m not arguing about that.


41 posted on 02/21/2009 10:05:03 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: coloradan

You have to separate political and cultural movements from the religion.

Religions adapt, people put aside past extremism and decide to become civilized. This can even involve ignoring or creatively reinterpreting one’s religious texts. I want to see more of this on the Muslim side. Not because I think it brings them any closer to salvation (which only comes through Christ), but because I don’t like terrorism or barbarism or Islamofascism.


42 posted on 02/21/2009 10:08:00 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: Fred Nerks

If all Islam is a cult, then the term cult uses its usefulness in describing true cults (Heaven’s Gate, Manson family, Nation of Islam, etc.).

Also, Saudi Arabia is not a free market economy. Arguably the freest economy in the mid-east is the UAE, and it’s hardly a place where rights are protected by the government.


43 posted on 02/21/2009 10:17:53 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: LifeComesFirst

And your “moderate 21st century non-violent non-backwards Muslims” have had absolutely NOTHING TO SAY every time there is another bombing, honor killing, girls’ school destroying, or any other Islamic atrocity.

The recent beheading right here in the good ol’ USA is getting shoved under the table as Islamists pressure the police not to refer to it as an honor killing.

Silence, silence, and more silence is what we kaffirs get from the “progressive and moderate” Muslims in our midst.

Each one of them is a suicide bomb waiting to go off and either you know it or I stand by my original characterization.


44 posted on 02/22/2009 1:48:42 AM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My cartridges are lubricated with pig grease!")
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To: mowowie
"all muslims"

Not even remotely true. The problem is there's a significant percentage who are savages. Unfortunately the peaceful majority has been stricken with a severe case of cowardice in denouncing the minority who are savages. Until it does so, Islam will be a pariah among the world's religions.

45 posted on 02/22/2009 3:14:52 AM PST by driftless2
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To: LifeComesFirst
You have to separate political and cultural movements from the religion.

I'm not the one who has to separate these things. Muslims are - and they have shown no inclination to do so. Shall we give them another thousand years, and hope for the best?

46 posted on 02/22/2009 5:48:48 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Steelfish
The right wing is going to run with it and misuse it.

What? Her head?

47 posted on 02/22/2009 9:16:01 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

yep


48 posted on 02/22/2009 4:21:20 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: elcid1970

I’m talking about a hypothetical future for Islam, not Islam as it exists today, which gives me the heebie-jeebies and makes me wonder if there will be much of a free Europe left in my old age.


49 posted on 02/22/2009 4:44:24 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: coloradan

It’s not up to us to “give them” anything, except for imprisonment, deportation, or even war for those who commit criminal or heinous acts.


50 posted on 02/22/2009 4:45:16 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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