Posted on 02/21/2009 4:52:49 PM PST by Steelfish
Gruesome killing poses another test for US Muslims
ERIC GORSKI, AP Religion Writer February 21, 2009
The crime was so brutal, shocking and rife with the worst possible stereotypes about their faith that some U.S. Muslims thought the initial reports were a hoax.
The harsh reality of what happened in an affluent suburb of Buffalo, N.Y. — the beheading of 37-year-old Aasiya Hassan and arrest of her estranged husband in the killing — is another crucible for American Muslims.
Here was a couple that appeared to be the picture of assimilation and tolerance, co-founders of a television network that aspired to improve the image of Muslims in a post 9-11 world.
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Well, I will take small offense at the American Hindu part. I don’t know any violent *American* Hindus. I was born a Hindu, and converted recently to Christianity. Now, I will agree that I do not know 100% of my ancestors’ religion — but I don’t recall any troubling passages in the Vedas like the Koran has. I also do not know of any prophet in Hinduism that claimed he got verses from Satan like Mohammad.
Though, overseas Hindus have been quite a problem as of late. Especially with their persecution of Christians in India.
As for American Muslims, that seems to be a mixed bag. On the one hand you have very peaceful “cafeteria Muslims” like my sister-in-law and her family, and on the other hand you have Muslims like this murderer who beheaded his family, and organizations like CAIR, Nation of Islam and Saudi sponsored mosques, etc...
Tough problems to solve. And one that will only get worse with Premier Obama at the helm.
This killing has NOTHING to do with Islam.
It is a hate crime to even imply that. This was simply the logical conclusion of a small domestic argument.
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"I wouldn't say (the problem) is particular to the Muslim community...Well, the beheadings certainly are.
Beheading? Not an Islamic Punishment?
Moslems have been chopping people up for 1400 years.
Half of them do the chopping, and the other half sit around supporting the chopping.
The best we can do is keep them “over there,” so they murder each other.
Folks, what practical steps can we take to limit moslem immigration to the USA?
Why Hindus?
Over the years, Hindus have probably been the recipient of more muslim violence than any other group of people.
The muslims are responsible for the naming of the mountain range, the Hindu Kush. Hindu Kush means Slaughter of the Hindus, an act inflicted on vast number of Indian slaves who perished in passing its snows while being taken to be sold in the Middle East and Europe by Islamic conquerors.
Most Hindus that I have met are exceptionally peaceful people.
Of course you are familiar with Hindu honor killings, bride burnings, and the inflexible caste system entrenched in religious belief and, as you appear to recognize, the rape of Catholic nuns and setting fire to Christian Houses of Worship. You are to be applauded for your conversion and much welcomed.
Hindus?
What is your problem with Hindus?
All muslims are savages.
No matter how they try to cover it the reality is that they are in-breaded barbarians, cowards at that.
See Post #9 Disagree?
If there’s any plumbers on here, I’m designing a “poop on mohammed’s face” toilet bowl.
Basically, mohammed smiles upward as people defecate on him.
I’m also designing a “poop on mohammed kitty litter tray” so cats can enjoy the satisfaction of defecating on mohammed.
Dogs, I haven’t really worked on yet.
What about “Allah T.P.” ?
Is there a place that prints custom patterns on toilet paper?
(Pooping on mohammed isn’t hateful if you do it WHILE your head’s being chopped off. In that case, you only receive a ticket).
Satanic muzzie animals should have been deported after 9/11, we are about 8 years late on that, guess it will have to wait until the next time they murder more than 3,000 innocent people in a couple of hours.
“Folk’s, what practical steps can we take to limit moslem
immigration to the USA?”...
...Kill them “over there”.
Are there separate shelters for battered black women, for battered Hispanic women, for battered honkies, etc...
And BTW..speaking of horrific crimes..it was only last year that an Egyptian born cab driver..I think it was in Michigan..killed his own two teenage daughters because he felt they were becoming too Westerniized and were disobeying him. The beheading of the wife is a horrific crime...but cold-bloodedly shooting, at point blank rang..your own two daughters..your own flesh and blood..that's even worse, if indeed that's possible..
You had better re-think the idea of deporting Hindus...
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I’ll delay on the Hindus, but the Jihadists need to be killed.
The crime was so brutal, shocking and rife with the worst possible stereotypes about their faith that some U.S. Muslims thought the initial reports were a hoax.
America first. Islam second.
If that doesn't fit YOU as a Muslim:
Call American Airlines and " Head OUT!"
I totally disagree. I do not want to give the government the power to punish or deport people for their beliefs. Only for criminal acts that infringe on another person’s rights.
While I am a Christian and therefore “anti-Islam” in the sense that I oppose Islamic beliefs as being un-Biblical, un-Christian, and blasphemous, I refuse to accept the idea that Islam is an inherently violent religion. Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Shintos, and Jews all had such things said about them, and they turned out to be untrue.
The need to prosper in a market economy is what forces religions to adapt and become less radical, less violent. That’s the answer. Not more war or division. If the entire Middle East was made up of stable free market economies, there would be no wars there. Jews and Muslims could hate eachother all they wanted to but they’d still be forced by market realities to cooperate and get along.
In keeping with the tepidness and idiocy of the drive by media's whitewash of this typical Islamic honor killing, I present The Nose on your Face docu parody of this horrific crime, presented on youtube Islamic Rageboy Addresses Muslim tv exec's beheading of his wife
“I refuse to accept the idea that Islam is an inherently violent religion”
You, sir, are as blind as a bat.
I hear this often in "defense" of Islam but I can only think of some sects of Hindus who have such a thing. Most religions had a period of time when women were treated harshly or inequitably. However, the extreme of Islam seems unique.
To this day, Hindus in India engage in honor killings, burn brides when dowries are not paid, casteism is part of religious dogma and ritual, and firebombing Christian houses of worship is not uncommon. Why should we import this culture?
Agreed.
Our First Amendment protects Freedom of Religion; and although I know Christ is the ONLY way - people have a right to worship as they please. There are blowhards in all religions (Hindu, Christianity, etc), but it is only the islamic 'religion' that has (un)holy books that encourage their adherents to commit murder and mayhem in their efforts to 'convert' the infidels (or in the case of this article - to encourage 'honor murders'). As such, I'd argue that islam does not merit First Amendment protection - and it should be explicitly excluded from being covered. It is suicidal for a nation to allow such a dogma to exist on its shores.
Again - as I've noted before - most muslims in this country are as 'good' and 'moral' as anyone -- the problem is that their professed beliefs are a 'ticking timebomb' - and no one is done any favors by burying their heads in the sand and pretending that these beliefs are compatible with a society that treasures freedoms.
Very creative ideas. Seems very marketable. Keep at it kid.
I suggest you attempt to acquaint yourself with Islam a bit more. You can start with inventing skyjacking, running planes into buildings, bombing trains in Madrid and London, bombing girls schools in their home countries, trying to blow up an airport with propane cylinders, and beheading wives in Buffalo NY. For starters. There’s more.
Islam isn’t just a religion, it’s a system of laws, of government, of morals, of a way of life, and more. It’s a lot more - and it’s incompatible with freedom.
In terms of a culture and religions antithetical to all what America stands, Hinduism and Muslim share a lot in common.
http://www.anti-caste.org/orissa-hindu-right-atrocities/
You're assuming islam is a religion. It isn't. It's a CULT. And at the head of that cult is mohammad. A psychopath. Considered by mohammadans as divine, the perfect man who must be emulated...and as for 'market economy' remember, the wealthiest arab nation, Saudi Arabia, follows sharia law. Public beheadings, removal of limbs, floggings...and goodness knows what else.
Adding my .02 - Muslims and Hindus are worlds apart, and Hindus have suffered torture, genocide, and slavery from the Muslims since before 1000 AD.
I have never heard of a Hindu “honor killing”, the caste system is something that can be explained but I do not have time right now (aside from the fact that its use is now falling apart and as currently practiced not based on the scriptural injuctions anyway), and as far as violence against Christians, much of it is either lies by the media - of course, anyone committing violence as you describe should be strongly punished. But keep in mind also that some of the “Christian” groups in India are fronts for Maoist and terrorists. Christian in name only.
Bride burnings, from what I have read, are perpetrated by Muslims as well, and have nothing - nada - to do with actual Hinduism, Hindu teachings, or history. It’s kind of like calling any crime by someone who is nominally a Christian (goes to church occasionally, or even lives in a community with a lot of Christians) who murders his wife a “Christian wife murder”.
I think you need some serious education about Islam teachings, Islamic history, and current events.
One gruesome crime does not a cultural or religious practice make.
I am very familiar with Hindu teachings, scripture and history. “Honor killings” are not part of any of them. Sure, there are crazy murderious Hindus just like there are crazy murderous Christians. Hindus or Christians who commut such horrible crimes are not worthy representatives of their respective faiths.
Additionally, neither Jesus Christ nor any of the saintly Hindu teachers ever authorize or teach such murder; in fact the opposite.
Muslim culture is parasitic, and it always results in the killing of its host.
Calling me blind as a bat isn’t much of an argument.
I’m talking about Islam AS A RELIGION, not the activities or beliefs of current Muslims. Islamofascism is more a cultural/political movement using religion as an excuse to drum up support.
The fact that there *are* moderate, 21st-century, non-violent, non-backwards Muslims (including clerics) shows that adherents of the religion *can* adapt, I take that as a positive sign. Not from a universalist, “multi-faith” standpoint, but from the standpoint of somebody who doesn’t want people to bomb markets or cut peoples’ heads off or whatever other craziness they come up with.
From a Christian standpoint, there is no difference in terms of salvation, but I’m not arguing about that.
You have to separate political and cultural movements from the religion.
Religions adapt, people put aside past extremism and decide to become civilized. This can even involve ignoring or creatively reinterpreting one’s religious texts. I want to see more of this on the Muslim side. Not because I think it brings them any closer to salvation (which only comes through Christ), but because I don’t like terrorism or barbarism or Islamofascism.
If all Islam is a cult, then the term cult uses its usefulness in describing true cults (Heaven’s Gate, Manson family, Nation of Islam, etc.).
Also, Saudi Arabia is not a free market economy. Arguably the freest economy in the mid-east is the UAE, and it’s hardly a place where rights are protected by the government.
And your “moderate 21st century non-violent non-backwards Muslims” have had absolutely NOTHING TO SAY every time there is another bombing, honor killing, girls’ school destroying, or any other Islamic atrocity.
The recent beheading right here in the good ol’ USA is getting shoved under the table as Islamists pressure the police not to refer to it as an honor killing.
Silence, silence, and more silence is what we kaffirs get from the “progressive and moderate” Muslims in our midst.
Each one of them is a suicide bomb waiting to go off and either you know it or I stand by my original characterization.
Not even remotely true. The problem is there's a significant percentage who are savages. Unfortunately the peaceful majority has been stricken with a severe case of cowardice in denouncing the minority who are savages. Until it does so, Islam will be a pariah among the world's religions.
I'm not the one who has to separate these things. Muslims are - and they have shown no inclination to do so. Shall we give them another thousand years, and hope for the best?
What? Her head?
yep
I’m talking about a hypothetical future for Islam, not Islam as it exists today, which gives me the heebie-jeebies and makes me wonder if there will be much of a free Europe left in my old age.
It’s not up to us to “give them” anything, except for imprisonment, deportation, or even war for those who commit criminal or heinous acts.
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