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Rancher ruling adds to border debate
Washington Times ^ | Feb 22, 2009 | By Jerry Seper

Posted on 02/22/2009 1:12:39 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Arizona rancher Roger Barnett initially faced the possibility of paying $32 million to compensate several illegal immigrants he stopped at gunpoint on his land. He walked away instead with a verdict that rejected any notion he violated the trespassers' civil rights and affirmed that U.S. citizens can still detain aliens crossing the border.

What remains to be seen, though, is what impact the $77,800 in damages that a jury Tuesday ordered Mr. Barnett to pay will have on America's larger immigration debate and the efforts of some illegals to get compensation from a country they aren't even allowed to enter.

The Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), an immigrant-advocacy group that helped bring the lawsuit, had claimed Mr. Barnett violated the civil rights of 16 illegal immigrants he stopped crossing his border property after they had illegally sneaked into the United States. MALDEF sought $2 million in actual and punitive damages for each of the plaintiffs.

The outcome fell far short of the advocacy group's wishes.

U.S. District Judge John M. Roll, for starters, dismissed the claims of 10 of the illegals because they did not testify at trial. He then tossed related conspiracy complaints against Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, and his brother Donald, saying illegal immigrants had no constitutionally protected right to travel in the United States.

Judge Roll said the Barnetts, who live in close proximity to the border, could reasonably assume that large groups of people they encountered hiding or trespassing on their property were doing so with the aid of smugglers.

He said entering the United States illegally was a federal felony, for which a citizen's arrest was authorized under Arizona law.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com:80 ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; castledoctrine; citizensarrest; courts; democrats; extortion; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; maldef; maldefwatch; propertyrights; rancher; rogerbarnett; standing
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To: ScottinVA

The Rio Grande doesn’t make it to the Gulf does it? It wasn’t before I came to Virginia


21 posted on 02/22/2009 2:26:48 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: FlingWingFlyer
What the hell is wrong with this "judge?" He sounds as though he might be a moron.

District court decisions don't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Appellate decisions, though, are used to guide future legislation and case law. The 2006 law barring illegals from receiving punitive damages may be unsupported by jurisprudence (thus far). Therefore, it's possible that the judge wanted the "pay the illegals" issue to be appealed, and gave the jury "enough rope".

22 posted on 02/22/2009 2:29:23 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Charles Martel

I hope that is where this is going. I’m getting tired of the courts making criminals rich. It’s making me start to rethink my current occupation and just become a criminal.


23 posted on 02/22/2009 2:31:52 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The media lied, America died !)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I feel the same way.


24 posted on 02/22/2009 2:33:28 PM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Bahamas!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The first shot of the next American revolution/societal breakdown will be along our southern border; it will be made by American citizens who cannot tolerate, among other things, pressing “2” for English any longer.


25 posted on 02/22/2009 2:45:32 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s about transferring wealth from those who earned it through the sweat of their brow to those who vote democrat.


26 posted on 02/22/2009 2:49:34 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: Jim Robinson

How much “emotional damages” is Roger Barnett owed for these illegals trespassing on his land and causing him to fear for the safety of his family?

If he doesn’t get all the damages erased on his appeal, we should set up a donation fund to cover his costs.

This man is an American hero, and he’s still being treated like a criminal.


27 posted on 02/22/2009 4:01:25 PM PST by van_erwin
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To: snowrip

28 posted on 02/22/2009 4:04:55 PM PST by van_erwin
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To: txnativegop
"I say make the first 800 yards on our side of the border a free fire zone. Should put a serious damper on the flow of illegals coming north

I still say there are still a couple hundred-thousand land mines waiting for dismantling that could be put to use.

29 posted on 02/22/2009 4:07:45 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: SuperLuminal

Well! If you must . . . go ahead.


30 posted on 02/22/2009 4:16:21 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Jim Robinson

The Terry Anderson Show...

Terry’s guests tonight will be ....

GLENN SPENCER - Founder of the American Border Patrol and the American Patrol Report

ROGER BARNETT - Arizona Rancher who was recently sued by a bunch of Mexican invaders with the help of MALDEF and the miserable SPLC

Call Terry LIVE 9-10 PM PST at (866) 870-57521

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31 posted on 02/22/2009 6:43:37 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: HiJinx; SwinneySwitch; MeekOneGOP

Ping


32 posted on 02/22/2009 8:27:51 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Fiddlstix; Jim Robinson; Squantos; Clinger; GeronL; Billie; Slyfox; San Jacinto; SpookBrat; ...

Ping! Ping! Ping!


33 posted on 02/22/2009 11:12:19 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: Flintlock

According to earlier articles, the damages were awarded for assault and mental distress.


34 posted on 02/23/2009 6:10:15 AM PST by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

The trial was in Federal Court, I don’t think our State law applies...


35 posted on 02/23/2009 6:11:16 AM PST by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: Fiddlstix; MeekOneGOP; AuntB

I’ll ping this when I get home to my copy of the ping list...I’ve been on travel this weekend.

Looks like I have a lot of articles to catch up on.


36 posted on 02/23/2009 6:14:47 AM PST by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: Flintlock
Precisely what justifies that $78 grand—or even 78 cents, for that matter?

I have been on several juries in trials where scammers, IMO, were trying to hit the jackpot. In those cases the plaintiff's claims could not be justified but sometimes there were bleeding hearts who think they should be given at least something just in case we were wrong. That contradicted and watered down our main decisions but the rest of us conceded just to avoid a hung jury. I think many personal injury lawyers, ambulance chasers and others, depend on that when they bring these frivolous lawsuits.

Maybe that was the case here.

37 posted on 02/23/2009 6:59:17 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: HiJinx

I was just reading this article:
Going to Mexico for spring break? Read this first

http://www.examiner.com/x-2026-SF-Gay-Travel-Examiner~y2009m2d22-Going-to-Mexico-for-spring-break-—Read-this-first

It warns about the dangers in Mexico and their laws, which AMERICANS must obey. This one really caught my eye:

“, or making obscene or insulting remarks are all considered criminal activities by Mexican authorities. “

If our laws were like Mexico’s, every illegal alien would be in jail. Obscene and insulting remarks is what they do best...no wonder they left Mexico.


38 posted on 02/23/2009 8:07:20 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Jim Robinson; MeekOneGOP
Well, at least the illegals didn't end up with his ranch so what's he complaining about??!! heh,heh

Anyway, a couple of items here, did the judge give the jury some flawed instructions or is Barrett's lawyer blowing smoke? The "incident" occurred in 2004 and the constitutional amendment barring illegals from receiving punitive damages wasn't approved til 2006. Did the judge point this out -- maybe???

39 posted on 02/23/2009 12:18:29 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately. - B.F.)
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To: AuntB; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Article within an article Ping!


40 posted on 02/23/2009 12:22:18 PM PST by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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