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It's Not Time Yet, But . . .
self | February 23, 2009 | LS

Posted on 02/23/2009 8:33:42 AM PST by LS

In the last few weeks, there have been a number of suggestions as to how to regain control of the government and our nation's direction. Some, such as Ron Paul's minions, are planning an April run on banks to try to "bring the system down." (Abbie Hoffman, is that you?) Others have suggsted various other plans, some good, some long-term, some organizational in nature.

I think I have the plan. It's not time yet. We'll know when. But I take my lead from our fellow Tennessee patriots who stopped that state's income tax from passing by basically tying up the capitol with a traffic jam and "human jam" of enormous proportions. (The French truckers did this a few years ago, too, to protest something).

Here's my suggestion: WHEN IT'S TIME, millions need to descend peacefully on D.C. in cars (the more the better), but planes, trains, and surreys will work too. Bring your sleeping bags. Stage the largest sit-down strike in American history, a strike that will make the inaguration crowd look like a bar mitzvah. Once again, PEACEFUL is the word.

The idea would be to so completely tie up D.C. that absolutely nothing could move. No staffers could get in, no media could get in or out except by helo. Some people might have to sacrifice cars---so some people might want to bring "beaters," and just walk away. What would happen if suddenly D.C. looked like one of those scenes from a horror movie, with hundreds of abandoned cars? It could take weeks to move anything. People would not be "PROTESTING" per se, but just "visiting" to express their concern, milling about, blocking up the nation's sick heart like a giant blood clot.

Imagine if no one can get in or out of airports? What would "they" do? Call the army? To do what? Herd people out? (How would THEY get in?)

I haven't fully fleshed this out, but it strikes me that it would be absolutely unbeatable. Read Jean Rapail's "The Camp of the Saints" and see how effective non-violent "showing up" can be!


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1 posted on 02/23/2009 8:33:42 AM PST by LS
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To: LS; Arthur McGowan

Count me in.


2 posted on 02/23/2009 8:38:34 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that show us what we truly are. " -- J.K.Rowling)
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To: LS

Couldn’t work because conservatives are too busy working to make a living and can’t take the 3-5 days off it would take to make the round trip.

I do agree, however, that our politicians have stopped listening to mere protests that have no ‘punch’. How about an alternative that’s workable...

Do the same thing at and around local federal office buildings all over the country. Accomplish the same thing but do it nationwide. Let those who are within driving distance of DC do DC, but the rest of us can do the same thing nationally at our local federal facilities. It would take grassroots organization and planning on an extensive scale to coordinate a synchronized movement nationwide, and I believe that’s what the Chicago Tea party is trying to accomplish on July 4 this year. Perhaps we need to merge ideas.


3 posted on 02/23/2009 8:40:22 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: LS
Remember the Bonus March!
4 posted on 02/23/2009 8:41:07 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunhem?), change America will die for.)
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To: LS

I’ve been looking for a reason to make a 2nd cross country motorcycle trip this year. 50,000 motorcycles with loud pipes to add the commotion - you betcha.


6 posted on 02/23/2009 8:42:57 AM PST by rednek (if it isn't large caliber, it isn't worth carrying)
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To: LS

Good idea........I suggest April 15th...


7 posted on 02/23/2009 8:43:11 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: erkyl

Couldn’t work because conservatives are too busy working to make a living and can’t take the 3-5 days off it would take to make the round trip.........

I,myself,purposely have set aside vacation time for an event like this......but I understand your reasoning..


8 posted on 02/23/2009 8:45:17 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: LS
Interesting...

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Hey Barack HUSSEIN Obama, I went to Harvard too! That was the worst fieldtrip of my life, but I went there...


9 posted on 02/23/2009 8:47:02 AM PST by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: LS
"Call the army? To do what? Herd people out?" Yeah. Bonus Army


10 posted on 02/23/2009 8:47:26 AM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: LS

And everybody remain silent, just stand looking at them, and then disperse silently, it’ll scare the crap out of them


11 posted on 02/23/2009 8:50:03 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I don’t agree with the excuse, but it’s the first thing conservatives say when someone is promoting a rally or protest. I appreciate it when people are willing to tell the truth and admit that they can take time off for such events, they just have chosen not to. Or in your case, chosen to. Good for you. Hope we can inspire more to do like you in the coming months.


12 posted on 02/23/2009 8:50:15 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: LS
I'm guessing you don't actually live and work here in the DC Metro area.
13 posted on 02/23/2009 8:53:09 AM PST by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: rdb3

Great video. We SO wanted them to win.. they totally ROCKED out.

As for the protest, Count me in as well.. I would love to see something like this.


14 posted on 02/23/2009 8:53:28 AM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: LS
WHEN IT'S TIME, millions need to descend peacefully on D.C.

Millions? I'm sorry, but I live nowhere near D.C. and I work for a living. Any sort of centralized protest is bound to fail. Conservatives are busy people, and D.C. is WAY out of the way for most of us. It's got to be a protest that people can get involved in where they live. And not necessarily street-theater stuff, either.


15 posted on 02/23/2009 8:54:01 AM PST by Cinnamontea
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To: LS

Sounds good! Do you think F&F will come to broadcast amongst us?


16 posted on 02/23/2009 8:54:29 AM PST by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: DTogo

I guaran-damn-tee it.


17 posted on 02/23/2009 8:56:29 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: erkyl
Do the same thing at and around local federal office buildings all over the country.

Yep, I agree. Maybe even bring some tar and feathers.

18 posted on 02/23/2009 9:00:47 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: LS

I’ve seen some postings on FR about a Washington gathering in early September. I always like to take a vacation after Labor Day when things are less crowded. I’m planning to make DC a stop this September so I can join this gathering. If you’re retired or can schedule a vacation for September, then it should be possible to attend such an event. In Chicago, I’ve seen the dates April 15 and July 4 for a local gathering. I will be attending those events as well.


19 posted on 02/23/2009 9:02:10 AM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: LS

I remember standing on the TN capitol’s steps, seeing all those people, hearing all those horns (including a retired fire truck or two) and grinning ear to ear at the thought that we were letting our elected officials know who really has the power.


20 posted on 02/23/2009 9:03:17 AM PST by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: LS
Interesting idea, but do remember the Army dispersed the Bonus Army. Obambi will have little trouble finding some ambitious general to play Douglas MacArthur's role.

Civil disobedience is a dangerous weapon, but it may well necessary to unleash it to save the republic.

The ultimate question with this regime may well come done to whether the Army and the state National Guards will obey orders to move on a large chunk of the population, especially when it's their own friends and families (as opposed to rich leftist hippie kid as in the '60s).

21 posted on 02/23/2009 9:03:23 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Fu-fu2

Ok, but don’t misunderstand. This is NOT a “vacation,” would not be a visit when things are “less crowded.” The entire intent is to so disrupt and tie up business that even the drivebys can’t ignore it.


22 posted on 02/23/2009 9:03:38 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: CatoRenasci
I know all about the Bonus Army. But they were camping out. What happens if people just are constantly milling? coming in, going out? And how does the "Army" even get in there in sufficient numbers to move people out?

So, what if they do start bulldozing the thousands of cars tied up in endless traffic jams. The point is, it would ALL GET COVERED. The media simply could not ignore this. Now, they could spin what was "happening," but they absolutely could not deny that massive numbers of people were there in opposition to the government. And if DC is under "lock down?"

I think Abbie Hoffman would be proud of such an achievement.

23 posted on 02/23/2009 9:06:38 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

I understand that. Just trying to motivate more people to show up instead of making excuses. Schedule the DC visit as part of a vacation, fully understanding it will be “crowded.”


24 posted on 02/23/2009 9:09:52 AM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: LS
People would have to camp out - what are they going to do, stay in $400 a night hotels? Milling about? If the idea is to shut things down, people couldn't easily move in and out? And, were would they stay during an 'out' phase.

As to how the Army gets there, that's easy - the 3rd Infantry is just over the bridges and there are other troops within the military district of Washington close to hand.

I know this sounds like a great idea - of course harking back to Abbie's levitating the Pentagon - but I think you underestimate the logistical difficulties. (Remember - amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics)

25 posted on 02/23/2009 9:11:16 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Fu-fu2

Ahhhhh. Now you’re talking. Like all those people in Chicago who just “happened” to be in the park when the Yippies were going nuts. Nice.


26 posted on 02/23/2009 9:15:45 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: CatoRenasci
How do you get the military across bridges that are completely tied up for miles with cars?

Answer: you have to bulldoze them. (But these are good libs just trying to get to work!) Too bad.

You know as well as I there are ways to do this. And I am PRECISELY getting around the "logistics" by having this be a mass individual movement as opposed to an "organizational movement." The goal is NOT to "show up and protest" (logistics). The goal is to so completely tie things up that the OPPOSITION must plan logistics.

Use your head. Help find a solution. You're sounding like a Tory in 1775 :)

27 posted on 02/23/2009 9:18:08 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Fu-fu2
Schedule the DC visit as part of a vacation, fully understanding it will be “crowded.”

Yes, and what a great crowd to be a part of!

28 posted on 02/23/2009 9:20:58 AM PST by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: LS
I am 70 years old, and I would probably come, or at least get envolved locally.

What would be GREAT, is the have Revolationary Re Enactors at these protests, along with their FIFE & DRUMS.

This has to be seen for what it is a Revolution.

29 posted on 02/23/2009 9:29:17 AM PST by annieokie
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To: LS

Report your car stolen when near the staging/action area.


30 posted on 02/23/2009 9:32:57 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Exactly. There are ways to do this. The more imaginative we get, the more, er, difficult it will be for Washington to conduct business.


31 posted on 02/23/2009 9:37:18 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

I agree that local, state and federal protests are essential to getting our message out. And they should continue until they are effective. Count me in!


32 posted on 02/23/2009 9:39:03 AM PST by cblue55 (I miss Tony Snow)
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To: Cinnamontea

Something like a coordinated day where EVERY CONSERVATIVE files a new W-2 form with 20+ exemptions.

And suddenly, the Government is choking for “air”, i.e. funds. . .


33 posted on 02/23/2009 10:05:49 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: LS

Geeeez ... 72 cars across a 6 lane .. every one with two diagonal flats ... whoda’thunk?


34 posted on 02/23/2009 10:21:16 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Salgak

I already claim 15. Whats five more I suppose.


35 posted on 02/23/2009 10:22:53 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Shiite Muslim named Bob.)
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To: The Duke
Yep, I agree. Maybe even bring some tar and feathers.

Yep. Unless the fear of God is instilled in these worthless POS politicians, nothing is going to change, except for the worse.
36 posted on 02/23/2009 10:37:32 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (There ought to be one day -- just one -- when there is open season on Senators --- Will Rogers)
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To: LS
"I haven't fully fleshed this out.."

We would never have guessed.

(1) Mass demonstrations are for the dummy-crats. Conservatives usually have better things to do that day.

(2) There's absolutely no way you would be able to surpass the numbers of socialists counter-demonstrating against your little knot of protestors.

(3) Your brilliant idea of simply going there with no other planning practically guarantees that nobody would even hazard a guess as to why you are there.

(4) If your own Congressman and Senator aren't already standing up for you, what makes you think Congress will even notice, let alone do the right thing? (Remember, over half of them are dummy-crats.)

37 posted on 02/23/2009 10:44:12 AM PST by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: CatoRenasci; LS
"Use your head. Help find a solution."

LS; some of us wanted to nominate a Constitutionalist to run for President, but you see how far that got.

Some of us have been fighting this fight for years, but alas, to no avail. Gee, I wonder how we would have done with you actually helping us? You and all the other so-called "conservatives" around here. Fat chance, huh?

No, sir, the time for action is long past, and now it seems that over half of the country actually wants socialism, for what they can get out of it.

The time for doing something meaningful was a long time ago.

38 posted on 02/23/2009 10:53:04 AM PST by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: LS
You could actually tie up whole cities on one day.

DC is a three day trip for some, so getting stuck there without your car would be terrible, but having 10,000 or more people show up in every down town area of every major city, as individuals, and block traffic, and walk away......

If they returned to their cars within a few hours, they would have caused chaos, and made their point.

Just thinking out loud.

39 posted on 02/23/2009 11:01:31 AM PST by fanfan (God, Bless America, please.)
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To: Designer

The voice of the Tory. Sometime in the past was “always better,” more appropriate. Sorry. You fight when the fight comes.


40 posted on 02/23/2009 11:05:45 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Designer
Quite the contrary, you show you are CLUELESS in how to actually organize stuff. I suggest you read Alinksy and Hoffman. The goal is to appear to be doing nothing while accomplishing a lot. Armies and police can chase out protestors or demand permits. But who can require a permit of 3 million visitors.

You need to get out of the way. You clearly aren't leading, and sure aren't following. The adults will handle it from here.

41 posted on 02/23/2009 11:07:35 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Designer
The time for doing something meaningful was a long time ago.

You would give up?

42 posted on 02/23/2009 11:11:53 AM PST by fanfan (God, Bless America, please.)
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To: CatoRenasci
Interesting idea, but do remember the Army dispersed the Bonus Army.

Some of my youthful memories are of the WWI veterans plugging for the Bonus. We lived in a town next to an army post, and there were a lot of the "Great War" veterans living there.

I was under the impression that McArthur's troops machinegunned some of the Bonus Army participants, but haven't found anything to prove that.

It may have been simply a rumor circulating amongst the WWI vets I knew.

43 posted on 02/23/2009 11:53:42 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: eXe; LS
Yeah, the sounds of cascading strings is beautiful!

I'm with you in heart and spirit, LS.

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Hey Barack HUSSEIN Obama, I went to Harvard too! That was the worst fieldtrip of my life, but I went there...


44 posted on 02/23/2009 1:17:05 PM PST by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: LS

We need to do something to get attention. There are people ready. I see people wanting to start up separate revolts. NOT GOING TO WORK. It needs to be WELL PLANNED and a very future time so people can make plans well ahead of time. This will be what a working person would need to be off for either 1 or more days. NUMBERS are important! LET FIGHT!!


45 posted on 02/23/2009 8:48:28 PM PST by christy623 (REVOLT TOGETHER WILL MADE THIS WORK- Make a date so far out to get the most people)
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To: christy623
As I said, I think the time will become evident. People didn't "plan" the Boston Tea Party until there was a specific event that triggered the discontent to a boil. But the key is that when it occurs, it will affect not only the Wall Streeters and the main streeters, but virtually everyone in between.

No "revolution" encompasses everyone, but every good political upheaval encompasses SOME of everyone---the very rich, the middle class, and the poor.

One thing that tells me it isn't time is that somehow people are still living somewhat high on the hog. I just spoke to my travel agent, who tells me cruises are full and they are doing a booming business; I drive by the ritzy restaurant row outside our big mall and it's packed. When I go in any of the stores, they are busy. So it's not here yet, but we need to be thinking about things.

Numbers are critical so that no one in the drivebys can ignore what happens; but you don't want it too "planned," because it CANNOT BE A "PROTEST." A "PROTEST" needs permits, blah, blah, and gives the "man" time to block it, segregate it, or whatever. This must be relatively spontaneous and appear 100% spontaneous.

46 posted on 02/24/2009 2:17:38 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: erkyl

You are assuming that anyone will have a job in a few months—or that going to a “job” will net you anything but a few worthless $10-billion-dollar bills.


47 posted on 02/24/2009 2:31:54 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Misspelled your name.

The beauty part is: How can they prove you were in on it, and weren’t just an innocent Obamatron caught in the traffic jam?

We can start with SLOWDOWNS. Start by commuting at the SPEED LIMIT. That alone will start jams.

Every day, reduce your speed a little from the previous day.

BTW: I think the right time for this to begin is 7:30 TOMORROW MORNING.


48 posted on 02/24/2009 2:48:17 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Here’s another idea:

Two patriots stop their cars, crooked, blocking more than two lanes if possible. Make it look like a fender bender. Get out of your cars, examine them all around. Before the cops can get there, get back and drive off as if nothing happened. The resulting traffice jam will last a long time. Do this just downstream from a cloverleaf, and you can tie up two highways.


49 posted on 02/24/2009 2:51:27 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: All

Does it work to post to “all”?


50 posted on 02/24/2009 3:01:49 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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