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Sarah Palin's Problem
Townhall.com ^ | February 23, 2009 | Carol Platt Liebau

Posted on 02/23/2009 9:42:53 AM PST by EveningStar

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To: pillut48

So where does the Constitution define what is a ‘natural born citizen’? That’s the key. Later in Section 8, it specifically gives congress the authorization to define citizenship rules. There are a lot of ‘if’s’ for Obama based on if he was born outside the US, if his parents where legally married, if is mother met residency requirements, etc, but as for Jindal, it is pretty cut and dry. We’ve had many presidents who had immigrant parents. (eg. Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester Arthur).


101 posted on 02/23/2009 10:50:13 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Diogenesis
If the 2012 primary were held today, Palin could beat Romney in Utah and Huckabee in Arkansas.

I also think it is asininely stupid to hold either candidate responsible for what some of their alleged supporters are alleged to be doing.

Now if Romney himself makes a statement trashing Palin as Huckabee has done ('She hasn't paid her dues or earned her way into a primary spot'), then that is fair game.

But from what I've seen, the Romney supporters (mainly economic conservatives) seem to be a far more intelligent crowd than the Huckabee supporters, whom I refuse to trash because we will need both groups to win an election and undo the damage Zer0 will do by 2012.

102 posted on 02/23/2009 10:51:39 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
I'm mortified by the media treatment of Gov. Palin over the past 6 months and have great sympathy for her and her family. However that sympathy alone does not sway me into the catagory of "supporter", I'm afraid.

The lefties and the MSM have succeeded in putting her in a leather jacket, strapping her to a motorcycle and sending her over the shark! She cannot come back from this in the eyes of a jaded and cynical public. The conservative movement no longer has the energy to resusitate morbund personalities in order to field candidates.

When Obama and company have been found out to be the tyrannts that they are by the 25% of voters that put them into power, the switch back to Reaganville will be much easier for them if we have a serious and sober conservative leader ready to lead without "baggage". Sadly, Sarah won't be that person, IMHO.

103 posted on 02/23/2009 10:53:58 AM PST by cartoonistx
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To: okie01
While I was a Romney supporter myself, I'm leery of supporting a candidate who couldn't beat out John McCain -- the most unsatisfactory GOP candidate since Thomas Dewey.

You can blame that on open primaries. Had the primaries been closed to party only, McCain would have been an "also ran" in the primaries, instead of the general.

104 posted on 02/23/2009 10:55:43 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: itsahoot

What is more important to the future of America-that Bristol Palin was interviewed by Greta or that Sarah Palin called for Obama to veto the stimulus bill and thus forced him to take complete ownership of the bill? The former is a red herring, the latter-harpooning the big fish.


105 posted on 02/23/2009 10:58:19 AM PST by techno
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To: Beagle8U

Not directing it at you, but at the insipid writer of the article

I feared you might misinterpret


106 posted on 02/23/2009 11:03:03 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: IYAS9YAS
You can blame that on open primaries. Had the primaries been closed to party only, McCain would have been an "also ran" in the primaries, instead of the general.

Open primaries were a contributing cause toward McCain's selection, I agree.

Yet, knowing the rules ahead of time, neither Romney nor Huckabee nor Giuliani nor Thompson was inventive enough to arrive at a winning strategy.

No need making excuses for any of them. If they couldn't figure out a way to beat McCain, they're not going to figure out a way to beat the Democrat. Thus, they're not worth putting forward again.

107 posted on 02/23/2009 11:03:45 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: stevestras
I happened to see a clip of this, Greta stated that Bristol set this up on her own. Sarah stopped by and surprised them and Greta said “I didn’t know you would be here”.

Yea, I got a kick out of that one . . . Greta said she expected the other grandmother to bring the baby out--you know, the one that was just arrested for selling oxycontin. Sure, Greta. Sure Sarah. Here in Juneau we are back to the way it was before the election. Sarah reaching across the isle to liberal Dems and conservatives saying she doesn't know what she's doing. This interview is just one more piece of evidence on that point.

108 posted on 02/23/2009 11:04:29 AM PST by Stunned
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To: cartoonistx
The lefties and the MSM have succeeded in putting her in a leather jacket, strapping her to a motorcycle and sending her over the shark! She cannot come back from this in the eyes of a jaded and cynical public.

Despite the constant MSM bashing, her poll numbers are rising already, especially among independents. Moreover, although many independents voted for Obama, 2/3 of them according to a poll, say she's getting a raw deal from the press.

They'll give her another look. It's a long way to 2012.

109 posted on 02/23/2009 11:05:32 AM PST by Al B.
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To: EveningStar
Sarah Palin's Problem

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that in her time, articles were titled "Margaret Thatcher's Problem".

110 posted on 02/23/2009 11:07:44 AM PST by fanfan (God, Bless America, please.)
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To: okie01
No need making excuses for any of them. If they couldn't figure out a way to beat McCain, they're not going to figure out a way to beat the Democrat. Thus, they're not worth putting forward again.

Point made, understood, and agreed with.

111 posted on 02/23/2009 11:11:37 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: TaraP

Amen to that.


112 posted on 02/23/2009 11:12:29 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: fanfan
You might be interested in John O'Sullivan's article in the WSJ, Conservative Snobs Are Wrong About Palin: I know Maggie Thatcher. The two women have a lot in common.

The parallels are striking.

113 posted on 02/23/2009 11:14:02 AM PST by Al B.
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To: skippy love

I honestly don’t see “many missteps” No she is not perfect, nobody is. But she’s close enough for me.


114 posted on 02/23/2009 11:14:36 AM PST by DeLaine (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Al B.

Thanks for the link, Al.


115 posted on 02/23/2009 11:21:01 AM PST by fanfan (God, Bless America, please.)
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Obama merely talks about transparency. Palin invokes it.
Yet one more reason why the electorate will support her overwhelmingly.
116 posted on 02/23/2009 11:24:40 AM PST by jla (Sarah! sarahpac.com)
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To: Al B.

If Palin wishes to be in the running in 2012 she had better get moving on her rehab pronto! She needs policy papers and serious interviews (”I’m not here to talk of my family’s problems, George, I’m here to speak of America’s new socialist tragedy!”). She needs a speaking tour and a publicist. She needs to bone-up on foreign policy and become a recognized expert in SOMETHING! She has a very deep well to climb out of in short order just to be on even ground with Jindal and other rising stars. Her name recognition aside, would anyone be giving her a second look (politically) if she had not just LOST her first bid to be vice-president?


117 posted on 02/23/2009 11:25:42 AM PST by cartoonistx
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To: daylilly

“Jindal . . . not a natural born citizen.”

Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, LA.

Let me guess, you support RINO Romney?


118 posted on 02/23/2009 11:26:09 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: Crimson Elephant
Fairly or unfairly she has been Quayled while Jindal is stepping up to the plate.

So how do you expect the MSM to "Palin" Jindal? You know they're going to try...

-PJ

119 posted on 02/23/2009 11:28:49 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: EveningStar

Thou Shalt Not Criticize Sarah Palin

The kool aid drinkers don’t like that!


120 posted on 02/23/2009 11:29:23 AM PST by misterrob (FUBO----Just say it, Foooooooooooooo Boooooooowwwwww. Smooth)
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To: dmz

“Beware of ANYONE who claims to be able to determine whether or not one is a conservative based on their stance on a single issue.”

Ok..I give up....who’s the quote from?

Specter?

Snowe?

Collins?

McCain?


121 posted on 02/23/2009 11:30:22 AM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: misterrob

It’s impossible to like a political figure and also find fault with him/her.

If you do so, you’re a RINO, troll, DUer, (fill in the blank).

Our heroes are not responsible for their actions. They never make mistakes - ever. If they fail, the responsibility for that failure lies totally with the media and RINOs.


122 posted on 02/23/2009 11:40:00 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: Crim

the quote is from yours truly, me myself and dmz

I am not a social conservative, and I make no bones about it. On this very forum, on nearly a daily basis, one can read that if you are not a social conservative, you are not a conservative. Yawn.

The reality of being a conservative nowhere contains a reference to Sarah Palin.


123 posted on 02/23/2009 11:40:38 AM PST by dmz
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To: EveningStar
They were saying the same things about Ronald Reagan back in 1977, during the early days of the Carter Administration. Carter was going to be president for the next 8 years and hand off to Walter Mondale for another two terms. The GOP was finished and so was Ronald Reagan, that washed up governor from California who couldn't even beat that tired out Gerald Ford from the previous summer's convention.

It may or may not be Palin in 2012 but it's way too early to count her out.

124 posted on 02/23/2009 11:46:12 AM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 7 days away from outliving John F. Kennedy)
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To: rintense

None of the stuff you mentioned concerns me.

However, I am not confident that Sarah Palin possesses the necessary “gravitas” (I know, I hate that word too) and policy wonkiness to appeal to a large enough cross section of voters - specfically the upper-income, college educated folks.

It is for this reason that I think Mark Sanford or Bobby Jindal would be more effective presidential candidates for the GOP - even though I love Sarah Palin and would voter for her in a heartbeat....we need more than the conservative base to win. Do not take that statement as a suggestion that we should water down our principles, but we need an effective spokesman that can both shoot holes in the Democrats’ proposals and argue and persuade voters to agree with we conservatives. I’m not convinced Sarah Palin has that ability.


125 posted on 02/23/2009 11:46:32 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: techno
The former is a red herring, the latter-harpooning the big fish.

I agree 100%. The truth is, it is not abut Sarah either. It is Jesus that they hate, and she has a relationship with Him, and it drives them crazy.

126 posted on 02/23/2009 11:50:19 AM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: dmz

“the quote is from yours truly, me myself and dmz”

Duh....but the reply was WAY over your head I guess...

“not a social conservative”

Care to define that?

You’re a log cabin republican perhaps?

*snicker*


127 posted on 02/23/2009 11:51:13 AM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: EveningStar

Palin’s problem is she must effectivly do a 100% bypass of all media outlets and establishment effete elites.

she has to go direct to mr and mrs america and introduce herself directly.

Unfortunatly senior america is still a slave to the old media.


128 posted on 02/23/2009 11:55:35 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: daylilly; utahson

The Constitutional definition of “citizen” is one who was born in this country.

Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, LA. And he can prove it.

The One (piss be upon him) cannot and never will.

May MOD’s mercy be upon you.


129 posted on 02/23/2009 11:58:08 AM PST by Old Sarge ("Remember, remember, the Fourth of November, the Socialist treason and plot...")
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To: Crim

LOL. It is an absolute hoot to watch you crow all over yourself and how smart you think you are. You are, what, 13 or so years old? The snicker after mentioning homos gave it away.


130 posted on 02/23/2009 11:58:48 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz
one can read that if you are not a social conservative, you are not a conservative.

The reality is that one cannot remain a conservative, without social conservatism, because the society will devolve into what we are seeing today.

131 posted on 02/23/2009 12:01:08 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: itsahoot

If you say so, which I don’t.


132 posted on 02/23/2009 12:05:37 PM PST by dmz
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To: EveningStar

I like John Thune. I think with his good looks, his nice looking wife and daughters, his country conservatism, he would make mincemeat out of Obama in the next election.

Hate to say it but Jindal would never win, he’s not attractive enough, and though I don’t like it, today’s American voter is so superficial they go on looks and not much else. Mr. Thune is good looking!

Fight fire with fire! The Obama Machine would make mincemeat out of Sarah again, just like they did last time. He’d be harder pressed to do that to a man.


133 posted on 02/23/2009 12:13:37 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: itsahoot

You are correct. Without social conservatism all of America will look like that disgusting Oscar ceremony last night.


134 posted on 02/23/2009 12:15:36 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: utahson

Dude, listen to what this fellow-very-conservative writer is saying:

“The cold, hard truth is that Sarah Palin is being – and will be – held to an incredibly high standard by political allies and adversaries alike. If she truly cherishes aspirations to national leadership, she has to realize that her every word, gesture and situation will be subjected to a level of scrutiny that will make what she’s already endured seem like a day at the beach. And then she needs to act accordingly.”

Palin does NOT seem to have the common-sense instincts in dealing with the media, that a serious Reagan-like candidate must. Time and again, she has lacked judgment (that Turkey slaughter thing for example was just ridiculous—a kindergardener could have told her it was stupid!) in her self-chosen media exposure. National candidacy is all about media-management—ESPECIALLY for Conservatives.

Dan Quayle, smart conservative guy that he certainly is in reality, failed at this, and so does Sarah Palin.


135 posted on 02/23/2009 12:18:15 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: rintense
post 49 - I'm not doubting the premise of your post but I'd add that many on the Right appear to allow the media to shape their opinion of Gov P., rather than doing a little bit of research themselves. (The Left has no monopoly on laziness, I assure you).
TeamSarah.org is good in keeping one informed and up to date of Palin's accomplishments, her beliefs, and her idealism.
Back to your post, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some here are in reality purposely trying to malign Sarah Palin. I won't name names, (you know who they are), but your description - submit posts wholly in line with conservatism except where Palin is concerned - does make me wonder. I cannot fathom any rational reason why a conservative would attack her as some do. At best, some merely wish to denigrate her, thus supposedly elevated their candidate of choice. At worst, they are like ravenous, starving wolves.
As for the Palin daughter speaking out, I find it a positive, and only a positive.
As I've previously stated, Palin appears to invoke transparency rather than just talk about it. This, I believe, will resonate with millions of families, and I see a tremendous net gain of Palin supporters, especially the gals, in the years ahead.

I sincerely and confidently compare her to Jefferson and Reagan. Those two may have been more adept with the written word, where Gov P manifest much the same thru her actions. Either way, all three understood/stand the ideal of America.

136 posted on 02/23/2009 12:23:46 PM PST by jla (Sarah! sarahpac.com)
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To: dmz

“LOL. It is an absolute hoot to watch you crow all over yourself and how smart you think you are. You are, what, 13 or so years old? The snicker after mentioning homos gave it away.”

Nah...I’m way older than 13...I stopped using “LOL” and the word “homo” when I grew up.


137 posted on 02/23/2009 12:25:20 PM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: dmz
If you say so, which I don’t.

Then maybe you can offer a better explanation for the devolution of our society?

138 posted on 02/23/2009 12:32:17 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: EveningStar

I always like when the writer says “I like her but.....” Then goes on for paragraphs about what a dolt she is. The issue is the author just like so many others, does not like Gov. Palin.


139 posted on 02/23/2009 12:41:45 PM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
So how do you expect the MSM to "Palin" Jindal? You know they're going to try...

Exorcism

140 posted on 02/23/2009 12:48:39 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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To: Political Junkie Too

They can’t paint him as dumb or uneducated. They will go after him on religion IMO and try to turn him into an extremist. He doesn’t come across that way when he speaks though. I certainly hope that Jindal realizes this and is ready for it.


141 posted on 02/23/2009 1:16:27 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: Crimson Elephant
They will go after him on religion IMO and try to turn him into an extremist.

That could be dangerous for them. Jindal is a converted Christian, from Hinduism. Obama is a converted Christian, from Muslim. How can they attack one and ignore the other, especially after ignoring the 20 years of Obama listening to the rants of Rev. Wright?

-PJ

142 posted on 02/23/2009 1:34:41 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Stunned

The “other grandma” was Sally Heath, Sarah’s mother, so actually Greta was expecting the great-grandma. Both mention how Mrs. Heath was in the hall. Ms.Johnston was no where around.

BTW, the interview took place at a library in Fairbanks, not the Palin home. Greta said back in November that she’d be covering the finish of the Iron Dog, so she had planned to be up there anyway.


143 posted on 02/23/2009 1:35:25 PM PST by SallyH ( wit)
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To: EveningStar
The part of the Bristol Palin interview I found interesting is that was when she was saying the words "teen abstinence is unrealistic", the film clip wasn't showing her face (it was showing the baby or Greta or something else). That means that her face & words won't be run on an endless loop somewhere or popping up in weird places.

My question is why did Greta want to interview Bristol anyway???

144 posted on 02/23/2009 1:55:00 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Welcome to SOCIALIST AMERICA! The Totalitarians are on the march.)
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To: EveningStar
The part of the Bristol Palin interview I found interesting is that was when she was saying the words "teen abstinence is unrealistic", the film clip wasn't showing her face (it was showing the baby or Greta or something else). That means that her face & words won't be run on an endless loop somewhere or popping up in weird places.

My question is why did Greta want to interview Bristol anyway???

145 posted on 02/23/2009 1:55:01 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Welcome to SOCIALIST AMERICA! The Totalitarians are on the march.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Rudy was a liberal and you never heard me say he was going to win... and that was NEVER the consensus here! I have heard Michael Reagan say Palin is his dad's heir apparent... and I do not see any other repubic that is able to captivate an audience and pull in tens of thousands of supporters to rallies... Palin is the real deal and I stand by my prediction. If she is not the nominee... we will lose again to the Antichrist.

LLS

146 posted on 02/23/2009 2:11:43 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
I have heard Michael Reagan say Palin is his dad's heir apparent... and I do not see any other repubic that is able to captivate an audience and pull in tens of thousands of supporters to rallies... Palin is the real deal and I stand by my prediction. If she is not the nominee... we will lose again to the Antichrist.

I just don't like coronations. If Palin wins the nomination then it'll be because she worked for it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that so far she'll be up against Romney, Sanford, Jindal, Barbour, Huntsman, and God knows how many others. She'd better get her act together and lower the flake content a bit or she's going to be Quayle v 2.0.

147 posted on 02/23/2009 2:41:45 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: stevestras
Greta stated that Bristol set this up on her own. Sarah stopped by and surprised them and Greta said “I didn’t know you would be here”.

If anyone believes this I have a bridge to sell. Cheap.

148 posted on 02/23/2009 3:19:25 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: EveningStar

As big of a supporter of Gov. Palin that I am I had the same thought. Don’t tell me that Fox would send a crew to Alaska and not expect some face time with the most famous Republican in the U.S. Greta has more important things to do than talk to impulsive teens regarding pregnancy.


149 posted on 02/23/2009 3:35:33 PM PST by stevecmd
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To: Crimson Elephant

She’s been Quayled by those who value fiscal conservatism more than social.

We shall see.


150 posted on 02/23/2009 3:36:37 PM PST by wardaddy (I feel like a Boer but this time white northern liberals are playing the English)
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