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Republican Response to The One- - Jindal - LIVE THREAD

Posted on 02/24/2009 7:14:01 PM PST by Jean S

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KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; bhobudget; bhospeech; gopresponse; jindal; porkulus
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To: ventana

Great orator. Did you ever hear Lincoln speak? Evidently it is not the words but how one delievers them that counts according to many people here. We don’t know how good an orator Lincoln was. Obama is not a great orator he just has the media spin on his side telling everyone he is 24- 7. Because what he says is so bad, they don’t want people dwelling on that. Being an orator is overrated.


801 posted on 02/25/2009 8:14:01 AM PST by Carry me back
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To: redk

Didn’t he bowl a 32?


802 posted on 02/25/2009 8:25:50 AM PST by pghoilman (Earth First (we'll drill the rest of the galaxy later).)
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To: mbraynard

No I haven’t failed modern politics. Modern politics has failed period.


803 posted on 02/25/2009 9:07:24 AM PST by Nemes1s
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To: rabscuttle385

Rabs, it is too bad that you have to attract the ire of the loons here.

When you are receiving fire, you are over the target.

Keep up the good work, and I hope you did well on that mid-term.


804 posted on 02/25/2009 9:12:37 AM PST by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: exit82
Keep up the good work, and I hope you did well on that mid-term.

I did! I got an A.

805 posted on 02/25/2009 9:14:04 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

Good for you! And that was not in a slacker subject!

Color me impressed.


806 posted on 02/25/2009 9:25:34 AM PST by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: bushwon
"Who do you think are the 'overlords?'—not challenging you, just trying to educate myself."

Firstly, NEVER worry about "challenging" another poster or their claims....

To answer your question, all you need to do is pay attention to your eyes and ears, and your common sense.

The GOP has openly and clearly become a vehicle for the "back-door" Global Elites whose agenda is to compromise and weaken America's sovereignty.

Address just this one question:

Why would a "conservative" Republican President allow a virtually unrestricted Invasion of millions of Mexicans through the America southwest to go on unbated - even after 9/11 - while at the same time advocating Amnesty for those very same millions of Invaders?

807 posted on 02/25/2009 9:29:33 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Carry me back
"Being an orator is overrated."

0bama and Hitler beg to disagree.

808 posted on 02/25/2009 9:30:52 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Entrepreneur

“He makes me remember Slick Willie with fondness.”

Okay now that’s sad but I was thinking about that the other day, I would take another 4 Clinton terms than one of O


809 posted on 02/25/2009 9:31:45 AM PST by rlferny
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To: maggief

I’m writing this on Wednesday...I went to this thread today because I wanted to see if anyone else noticed this audio problem, it was really frustrating, and every channel/network had it. It reminded me of another time a Republican was giving a speech (Bush as President (?)) and the same type of audio blips were ruining the speech.


810 posted on 02/25/2009 10:13:55 AM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: PhiKapMom
Couldn’t believe it when he got his program. He is no Conservative. Also didn’t agree with home schooling as Governor.

That's really bizarre, because Home School Legal Defense Association endorsed him for the Repub nomination.

811 posted on 02/25/2009 10:22:50 AM PST by jabchae
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To: Victory Rocks

Exactly the correct attitude to take... and we on FR and the GOP would ALL be stronger for waiting until 2011, when all the debates will start, to start weeding out who is good and who is bad as far as presidential material is concerned, in the meantime we should watch, read and begin to form educated opinons of the potential candidates. Look at the cheerleaders here for Duncan Hunter... even today... yet we know, now, he was the leading recepient of money from the DC Lobby firm under federal investigation (thanks to the crooked Jack Murtha). We do need to stop being cheerleaders for anyone and become hardcore analysts of both sides of the aisle.


812 posted on 02/25/2009 10:35:28 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Victory Rocks

I’ll admit that I’m not overly familiar wtih DeMint’s record, but what I’ve seen of him, I like.


813 posted on 02/25/2009 11:18:08 AM PST by Melas
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To: redk

His groups are always divided.


814 posted on 02/25/2009 11:56:56 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: catfish1957

Jindal sounded ok to me.


815 posted on 02/25/2009 11:59:19 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: rabscuttle385; mojitojoe
THE 1994 CAMPAIGN: THE MAYOR; GIULIANI, DEFYING HIS PARTY, BACKS CUOMO FOR 4TH TERM; SEES PATAKI AS BAD FOR CITY.

Rudy- Profile in courage.

816 posted on 02/25/2009 12:03:30 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: F16Fighter

Being an orator did not make Obama president. Propaganda did. The media controls the minds of the masses. If Obama was such a good orator the media would not have had to push him and shill for him as they did.


817 posted on 02/25/2009 12:36:54 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: roamer_1
That you would call them liberal

Straw man. I said they favored Obama over McCain, just like the libs. I said they share Obama's and Ron Paul's blame-America-first views on foreign policy, just like the libs. You can't counter my actual arguments, so you create straw men instead. The rest of your post is flat out bizzare. I'm a 'NeoCon' who is 'assulting Conservatives' by disagreeing with those who favor Obama over McCain? Your rhetoric is no different than the far left and those kooks on the Ron Paul forums.

818 posted on 02/25/2009 1:03:42 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: death2tyrants
I said they favored Obama over McCain,

I favored *neither* of them.

You can't counter my actual arguments

I can easily counter any argument that ends with McCain as President. Just as I can easily counter any argument that ends with Obama as President.

I'm a 'NeoCon' who is 'assulting Conservatives' by disagreeing with those who favor Obama over McCain?

Anyone who would give McCain anything, Palin or no Palin, is no Conservative.

819 posted on 02/25/2009 1:47:55 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: roamer_1

Since my argument related to the general election which had only two possible outcomes, McCain or Obama, your response has no relevance. And why aren’t you still ranting about ‘NeoCons assulting Conservatives’? You suck at defending your pals.


820 posted on 02/25/2009 1:58:58 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: Palladin

All good!


821 posted on 02/25/2009 2:46:08 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Elections have consequences. Socialist Liberals are in charge, sadly.)
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To: Syncro

That question from Charlie Gibson about Bush Doctrine was the fatal blow for Sarah. I blame her handlers for subjecting her to 3 day long interviews which would be then edited down to less than 60 minutes.


822 posted on 02/25/2009 2:48:30 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Elections have consequences. Socialist Liberals are in charge, sadly.)
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To: death2tyrants
Since my argument related to the general election which had only two possible outcomes

I am working to change that, as one should, if one is interested in the sovereignty of this nation.

Your tirades have little effect, as always. Every time the Conservatives don't bend to the Republican's will, we must endure these petty fits. It changes no one's mind. And come next election, I will stand on principle just as strongly.

And why aren’t you still ranting about ‘NeoCons assulting Conservatives’?

It isn't a rant- It is the truth. Conservatives stand on principle. Period. It is their primary, and most notable trait. NeoCons preach pragmatism and compromise.

Those you denigrate would not compromise their principles. Their votes were informed by their convictions. That is a Conservative trait. What does that make you?

823 posted on 02/25/2009 2:56:33 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: ajay_kumar
..."fatal blow for Sarah"

In what respect?

824 posted on 02/25/2009 3:14:12 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: roamer_1
Anyone who would give McCain anything, Palin or no Palin, is no Conservative.

So all those conservatives who voted for McCain/Palin (you know, those that voted for Sarah) last November are no longer conservatives?

825 posted on 02/25/2009 3:21:40 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: Jean S

Obama said that “CRA st;ays,” and that banks would be “fully accountable.” whereas I think Democrats in Congress should be fully accountable for causing this mess via CRA.

A Catch 22 if there ever was one.


826 posted on 02/25/2009 3:35:28 PM PST by OldNavyVet (Individual freedom is measurable ... If taxes take all you earn, you are a slave.)
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To: Syncro

Why McCain/Palin ticket did not win. The MSM succeeded in making lot of people who are not political junkies think she was dumb.


827 posted on 02/25/2009 3:55:32 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Elections have consequences. Socialist Liberals are in charge, sadly.)
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To: ajay_kumar
Oh, fatal blow for McCain.

Now I understand.

Yea, she lost a lot of votes for McCain.

He should have gone with Lieberman, then he would have won.

828 posted on 02/25/2009 4:09:48 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: Syncro
So all those conservatives who voted for McCain/Palin (you know, those that voted for Sarah) last November are no longer conservatives?

I am willing to give a pass to those who panicked and bought into the NeoCon dream (which I predicted was doom all the way along). I was young once too, and was vulnerable to fancy. But any who still laud McCain, considering his collusion with Obama and the Democrats (again, as predicted), are far beyond any excuse of mere delusion.

And voting for Sarah, btw, her lack of Conservative credz aside for the moment, was nothing more than a delusion in it's own right. The top of the ticket is still the top of the ticket, and every vote cast lent credence to McCain and the "moderates" he represents.

829 posted on 02/25/2009 4:11:47 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: roamer_1
Yea, it's hard to decide who was more liberal, McCain or Palin.

Well Palin is toast, the MSM and the GOP and those that bought into the hype agree with you.

830 posted on 02/25/2009 4:20:56 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: ajay_kumar
Naw, the ticket didn't win because McCain could not win.

And did not want to.

He gave up just like GHWB did when he quit trying a few months before Clinton took it from him.

His friendship with Bill Clinton nowadays is not even ironic.

As far as McCain goes, in the end he said that there is nothing to fear from Obama, he will be a fine president.

His campaigning for Obama was quite subtle those last few weeks before Nov 4th last year.

831 posted on 02/25/2009 4:25:43 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: Jean S

Jindal was FINE!! The RATS are all trying to make him llook bad! “Volcano Monitoring” - what the hell is THAT? I don’t even know what it is, but it’s a RAT idea!

“Ohhhhhh! Barry Hussein speaks SO GOOD!” Well, he’s no Reagan - they just WISH he was!


832 posted on 02/25/2009 4:41:35 PM PST by Hilda
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To: Syncro
Yea, it's hard to decide who was more liberal, McCain or Palin.

Oh, that's not hard to see at all- Palin is certainly to the right of McCain... Certainly Right leaning, certainly libertarian leaning... But that does not make her a Conservative, nor does it make her a Reaganite. I would mark her a right leaning moderate along the same lines as Thompson, but with more of a social right bend.

Well Palin is toast, the MSM and the GOP and those that bought into the hype agree with you.

She is not necessarily toast... She would be a great asset toward rebuilding the Republican party, but in the company of Reaganites, not on her own, and certainly not with Baker Moderates.

Do not mistake her populism as Conservatism however.

833 posted on 02/25/2009 4:53:05 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: Jean S

No, sorry, not a troll. Lighten up.

Other Freepers had questioned whether Jindal’s parents were citizens at the time of his birth during the campaign in reference to the same eligibility questions that involved Obama’s non-citizen father.

I am a big fan of Jindahl and would hate to see anything of the sort stop him from running.


834 posted on 02/25/2009 6:42:54 PM PST by motoman
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To: Nemes1s
So by having a public period and taking your rag and going home makes you irrelevant. Exactly how Obama wants you.

Not just politics - but reality - is about the art of the possible.

835 posted on 02/25/2009 8:17:51 PM PST by mbraynard (You are the Republican Party. See you at the precinct meeting.)
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To: Syncro

As a fan of Sarah Palin, I was dismayed to hear so many people I talked to had negative opinions of her. Even conservatives! So, I am convinced the MSM did a number on her. It was her dress, her daughter’s pregnancy out of wedlock, mayor of a tiny town, governor of a small population state, lack of national exposure, troopergate, etc.. It was drip drip every day. It took its toll.

However without Sarah Palin, McCain would have lost with a bigger margin.


836 posted on 02/25/2009 9:15:42 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Elections have consequences. Socialist Liberals are in charge, sadly.)
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To: roamer_1
I am working to change that

You're working to change the two party system. And you intend on doing this by going onto the internet and ranting about neocons assulting people. Brilliant strategy!

Your tirades have little effect..

Tirades? I'm not the one who goes to conservative web sites, labels others 'neocons', accuses them of assult for no appearent reason, and claims that anyone who voted for the McCain/Palin ticket (the only ticket that had a chance of stopping Obama) is not a real conservative. That'd be you doing that.

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837 posted on 02/25/2009 9:16:51 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: roamer_1
bought into the NeoCon dream

Perhaps you could define, in detail, what the 'neocon dream' is? Specifically in regards American foreign policy in Iraq, Afghansitan, and the root cause of the attacks on 9/11.

And voting for Sarah, btw, her lack of Conservative credz aside for the moment

Sarah Palin doesn't lack conservative credentials. You know who lacks conservative credentials? I'll give you three hints:

1)Unlike Reagan, he opposes the War on Drugs

2)Unlike Reagan, he opposes military intervention abroad.

3)He is pitured below.

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838 posted on 02/25/2009 9:30:55 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: death2tyrants

And he is opposed the CLEAR Act, The Border Fence and rounding up illegals.


839 posted on 02/25/2009 9:33:37 PM PST by NoLibZone (To preserve this nation a strongly worded email is in order!)
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To: Melas
I’ll admit that I’m not overly familiar wtih DeMint’s record, but what I’ve seen of him, I like.

I, too, like what I've seen of him. Perhaps he could serve as Sarah Palin's VP!

840 posted on 02/25/2009 10:33:00 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: death2tyrants
Tirades? I'm not the one who goes to conservative web sites, labels others 'neocons', accuses them of assult for no appearent reason, and claims that anyone who voted for the McCain/Palin ticket (the only ticket that had a chance of stopping Obama) is not a real conservative. That'd be you doing that.

It was not me who was raging at the Libertarians- I just rose to defend them. You WERE the one who began this with your seething toward anyone on Rabs' list.

The McCain/Palin ticket never had a chance in hell, and I said so all along. Far FAR better to have thrown the Republicans on on their asses, as they so rightly deserved. Far better to have stood for a principled candidate and lifted him up- If we had, perhaps the Conservatives would have turned out, and we would not be looking at Obama now. Those who voted McCain/Palin assured Obama's victory, and compromised every Conservative ideal to do so.

It isn't too hard to label NeoCons, btw. Look up Reagan Conservatism some time and learn the difference.

841 posted on 02/26/2009 1:30:43 AM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: death2tyrants
Perhaps you could define, in detail, what the 'neocon dream' is? Specifically in regards American foreign policy in Iraq, Afghansitan, and the root cause of the attacks on 9/11.

If you are looking for a Libertarian reply, you are barking up the wrong tree. I am generally in favor of the GWOT, certainly in favor of the war in Afghanistan, and fairly in favor of the war in Iraq, though not for the stated reasons (though I believe I understand the actual reasons). That being said, I am generally against Geo. Bush's foreign policy as being disjointed, unfocused and half-assed.

And having never supported Ron Paul specifically because of his position on the GWOT, your pictures have no particular effect upon me.

Sarah Palin doesn't lack conservative credentials.

Sarah Palin is not a Conservative. She is a moderate populist.

As to Ron Paul's Conservative credentials, He is very small "c" conservative with a hard Libertarian bend. He is FAR to the right of Palin, Bush, and McCain on most issues, and there are very many things I can agree with him on. The sole reason I could not support him was the WOT, and that largely because we were already in it.

Regarding military intervention abroad, that is typical of the Libertarian mindset, and it is not to be discarded out of hand. Their distaste of foreign entanglements keeps us honest. If you are wholly without the Libertarians' support, especially when we were attacked, you had better look to your conduct. They are prone to bitching in any foreign war- That is their job. But you will find no greater patriots anywhere, providing there is just cause.

As far as the "War on Drugs" is concerned, if Republicans were in the least bit serious about it, that damn border would not be wide open, I can tell you that, so get down off your high horse.

Reagan's table has a chair for the Libertarians- I will not disrespect their views, no matter how popular it may be in the Republican party to do so. That it is so popular is a good indication of how far from Reagan the Republicans have devolved- And that is why I am a Republican no longer.

842 posted on 02/26/2009 2:55:49 AM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: Fiji Hill

You’re just being childish now.


843 posted on 02/26/2009 6:37:36 AM PST by Melas
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To: ajay_kumar
I was dismayed to hear so many people I talked to had negative opinions of her. Even conservatives!

Yes I was too.

I was shocked to see that a poster I was jousting with last nite was very negative about Palin so my comments to him/her were loaded to a certain degree.

I was trying to agree with the poster on his absurd comments to see how deep he was in the camp of the MSM and others that dis and dissed Sarah and I noticed there was no positive effect.

It was hard to read the gobs of words, so I just stopped.

You are absolutely correct, Palin brought McCain millions of votes IMO but some still blame her for losing.

As one of my posts yesterday explained, McCain might as well have been campaigning for Obama.

He was a horrible choice for the GOP and the MSM and the open primary to choose to run.

844 posted on 02/26/2009 8:57:23 AM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: Fiji Hill

Good idea.


845 posted on 02/26/2009 10:21:58 AM PST by Syncro ("If you play by the rules you miss all the fun"---Broken Bridges, Toby Keith)
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To: NoLibZone

Excellent points.


846 posted on 02/26/2009 12:50:00 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: Melas

I most emphatically disagree. DeMint is well-qualified and would make an excellent VP choice for President Palin.


847 posted on 02/26/2009 12:57:06 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: roamer_1
I just rose to defend them

Defend them by ranting about 'neocons' and accusing me of assult? Like I said, you suck at defending your pals.

Far FAR better to have thrown the Republicans on on their asses

This is what I was saying the whole time. You Paulites favored Obama over McCain in the general election.

Those who voted McCain/Palin assured Obama's victory

This statement doesn't even come close to making sense.

It isn't too hard to label NeoCons

Of course it doesn't. Spouting off inane rhetoric of the Paulites and the far left doesn't even require any intelligence.

848 posted on 02/26/2009 1:01:00 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: roamer_1
I am generally in favor of the GWOT

This vague statement doesn't answer my question. You mentioned 'the neocon dream'. What do you mean when you say 'the neocon dream'?

and fairly in favor of the war in Iraq, though not for the stated reasons

Perhaps you could elaborate on this statement.

Sarah Palin is not a Conservative.

I triple dog dare you, (that's right, I engaged in slight breach of etiquette by skipping the triple dare and going right for the throat), I triple dog dare you to post this as it's own thread, declaring that Palin isn't a conservative. And make sure you rant about 'neocons' in your post.

849 posted on 02/26/2009 1:16:45 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: Fiji Hill

Tell it to someone who will listen. You and I both know you were just trying to get a reaction out of me because you know I don’t care for Palin. Same with your schtick directed towards me that, “Sarah Palin should have given the Republican response.”


850 posted on 02/26/2009 1:34:02 PM PST by Melas
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