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Posted on 02/24/2009 7:14:01 PM PST by Jean S
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Jindal hasn't got it. I don't see him appealing to independents in numbers needed to win, at any time and we cannot afford to take the risk. 2012 is too important. We need a strong candidate with style, substance and gravitas and that's not Jindal.
The damage to Palin may not be undone in four years enough to appeal to independents and other average voters, but certainly she should be able to repair her image in eight. Jindal hasn't got it. I don't see him appealing to independents in numbers needed to win, at any time and we cannot afford to take the risk. 2012 is too important. We need a strong candidate with style, substance and gravitas and that's not Jindal.
I think it's going to be harder to undo the kind of image that was pinned on Palin then to improve a blah delivery style. Palin clearly has it on style, but I think Jindal has it on substance and will have it on gravitas. But too early to tell, really, and no one knows what other conservatives with all three could emerge.
Palin is such a natural and so likeable, there isn't a doubt in my mind she'll be ready to run and win in 2016. We won't have to work hard to undo any of it. She'll do most of it on her own.
I agree 100% !!! Sarah Palin is the best, the most articulate, the most natural, the most energizing Republican there is today. 99% of the things that she was criticized for (primarily the hit jobs with Charlie Gibson & Katie Couric) would have been avoided or negated if Sarah had not been set up to fail by McLame's handlers. Let Sarah be Sarah, and she will kick @$$ in 2012. She's the best candidate we got!!!
John’s instincts are so bad, he needs a handler, and a quick retirement provided by his constituents.
Wow! How long has it been since we heard that kind of a delivery out of a Republican? Amazing! Very craftily presented.
Kudos to Jindal.
We don’t ‘cheer on our dear leader.’ Our job isn’t to support anyone with an R after his name. We need to be critical and honest at this stage. It appears that Jindal crashed and burned - some of it probably due to the setting of talking in a room to a camera. They should have done this in front of a live audience of Republicans.
That's the problem - this ISNT a tough crowd. This is a crowd that is the most favorable and forgiving one he is going to find.
It doesn’t have to be that way. He could have given the speech from a podium in front of an audience.
You being a young Republican, I welcome you here. You’re not arguing for leftist views. You are complaining that our so-called Republicans(D) don’t express them, are not well grounded, and stab us in the back at every opportunity. For the life of me, I don’t see the problem with that.
As a 57 year old Republican, I do the same thing, and I will continue to do the same thing until I’m toes up.
Folks, if you’re having a problem with a guy who is advocating we return to true Conservative ideals, I’d suggest you re-evaluate your beliefs.
We have primaries coming up a little more than a year away from now, and this is precisely the time we need to be kicking the tires and checking under the hood for the proper candidate to replace McCain and the other RINOs.
I suggest we spend our time doing that and spend a little less time attacking those who share our desire for a return to bedrock Conservatism.
Charisma is unecessary if you are a dictator. It is only in democracies that a leader requires Charisma because he must motivate with his character, his presentation, his words - where in a dictatorship, the dictator can motivate with his guns.
Yes you did. When it came down to Obama vs. McCain, you and your fellow Paulistinians rallied against McCain, because you favored Obama over McCain. This is because Obama shares the blame-America-first foreign policy mindset as Ron Paul.
Given a choice between McCain and Obama, I choose "none of the above."
Given a choice between McCain and Obama, you favored Obama. This makes your intentions no different than any of the lefties who act as disrupters.
Not quite. Of the Republican candidates left standing...
As you already know, my argument has no relevance to the GOP primary. What I'm saying is, you, your fellow Paulistinians, and the far left, all favored Obama over McCain. The rest of your post is filled with nothing but non sequiturs that have no relevance to my argument.
That’s how it was when I was in HS (’87-’90). There wasn’t even a section on the Vietnam War. I took an elective Social Studies class my Senior Year in HS — Current Events — and THAT is when I learned what I did about politics & events in the The Cold War Era & Vietnam - at least the parts I learned in school. But, I was lucky to have a good teacher, and I was lucky to have taken that class. Had I not taken that class the last required time period we learned about in History class was WWII and the period immediately following it!
What "conservatives" are you referring to?
ROTFLMAO!! Now Jindal is a "conservative"? Same old question:
How does Jindal (on his record) prove that he can harness all three pillars of Conservatism? If you cannot answer that question (which you cannot), then Jindal is not a Conservative.
Incorrect. NONE of the above are conservative enough. NONE of the above can serve all three pillars of Conservatism, and all of the above will fail, or at best, squeak by.
The problem is that you are not defending Conservatives.
I second that- and there are damn few here, especially young ones.
As a 57 year old Republican, I do the same thing, and I will continue to do the same thing until Im toes up.
Well, D1, I am 10 years behind you, but I plan on doing the very same thing.
Folks, if youre having a problem with a guy who is advocating we return to true Conservative ideals, Id suggest you re-evaluate your beliefs.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Your point about “Conservative” vs Republican is well taken.
There are many college campuses these days with ‘Young Republicans’ clubs on them. They are pretty sound Conservatives. I plug them whenever I get the chance.
Thanks for the nice comments.
A good portion of those on rabscuttle's lists are hard core Reaganites, myself included. Yes there are Libertarians too, as in the current Republican climate, it seems the last of the Reagan Coalition other than the Reagan core not willing to sell out are the civil libertarians.
That you would call them liberal says more about the NeoCon Republicans than it does about the Libertarians. When you assault Conservatives for standing upon principle, there is little wonder why Conservatives no longer support Republicans.
Great oratory gave us Reagan, Lincoln, of course, Teddy Roosevelt. Right? These are times that call for someone with stentorian stature and great oratorical skills, failing the stentorian, I’ll take the oratory for $100.00. V’s wife.
ditto. V’s wife. (I’m gonna listen to Rush today).
Don't get me wrong, if she secures the nomination, I'll support her, wholeheartedly, but right now, I think we have other options to lead the conservative movement. And as far as the attacks from the pro-Palin group, this already wreaks of the RomneyBot attacks many made after a lot of us supported Fred in 2008.
1. Unable to respond to what VP duties are.
2. Alaskan proximity as experience in foreign policy.
3. Bridge to no where comments
4. The newspaper reading competencies.
5. Knowledge of Supreme court rulings.
Again I reiterate, I love Sarah, and her conservative stances. In fact, I was as excited as anyone else when she delivered her acceptance speech last fall. But since, I have come to the conclusion that I can not support her unless she is the general election candidate. So at this point it's either Jindal or Sanford for me.
And as far as Jindal's falling short last night, just remember the bent one failed at his 1988 dim key note address. So it's too early publishing Bobby's politcal obit yer.
......and Rick Santelli as Sec. of Treas. in 2012
I think you left the saracasm tag off, or has the PC light been turned on here at FR?
Wow were you a former RomenyBot? This sounds like the same tactic....Insult if you don't agree. You post at du too?
I've been a staunch conservative since 1975, and I want the whole package like Reagan. That person is still out there to find, but it isn't Sarah.
Very smart! Good idea: speech from podium.
Sorry my mistake . Jindal got a few good punches in but.... I got worried when he talked about the feds fixing stuff like health care ALA Bush fixing medicare. Bush has created such a mess with his reckless deficit spending and his unpopularity, and yet he was sold to us by talk radio as the conservative messiah, another Reagan(They dont talk that way anymore) . The thoughts of elected republicans using the government to fix anything else is scary. Yet the media and public demand it from them, hands always out.We need to point out WHY Obama is killing private industry and increasing welfare and government.
Keeping your family safe is a pretty low standard. They are likely to be TOO safe under the democrats and socialism that Bush/McCain gave us.
***Given a choice between McCain and Obama, you and the other Paulistinians favored Obama, because he subscribes to the blame-America-first foreign policy of Ron Paul***
That’s a choice?
"I could not care less if Bristol Palin ever gets married. Thats her business."It is not "her business" if she raises that child without a father...it is the child's business. It is selfish Liberal twaddle to assert that Bristol is noble and valiant for raising the child by herself...the child is the victim.
Schmucky on F&F right now bashing Jindal again.
It is starting to look as if Schmucky is going to be the "attack" dog for the administration. I guess they figure no one in the media would dare call the Schmuckster out for his lies, and he is always in front of some camera!
You have failed modern politics.
Did you see this? Overbite is an arse.
Yes—the Friends have been talking about it all morning.
I plan on waiting for the Republican debates to decide which candidate I'll support, because the debates will determine for me which candidate has what it takes to lead our party to victory. I just hope conservatives will wait till then to pass judgment on which ever candidate is running. I sure don't want to be stuck with another McCain because too many conservatives sat on their hands during the primary because the candidate they thought was their last great hope fizzled or bombed, aka Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter.
He will be one day.
Perhaps in 2021, following Palin's two-year term.
I thought I recognized that sentence...you posted the same thing at DU. What's up with that?
Laura Ingrahm is ripping Jindal’s speech right now. He says that Obama knows how to give a moving speech but that republicans have no similar orator. I said before that Fred Thompson is an expert at sounding good ripping democrats on camera. He already did the video months ago.
What sort of "baggage" does Palin carry?
Will you vote for Sarah Palin if she's the Republican nominee in 2012?
Maybe everyone here is recommending next year we have a political rally (complete w/crowd) inside an arena so that our message will compare better to Obama’s speech. Maybe its a good idea, I don't know.
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What are you doing here?
It shows it can be done.
Riiight. I bet if you called Rush you’d say, ‘I voted for Bush but...’
My favorite Republican though is Senator Jim DeMint, and if he were to run in the primary I would vote for him in a heart beat.
I just watched him being interviewed by Fox News and I think he's great. From what I've seen of Sen. DeMint, he seems to have a proven conservative track record, He's not afraid to mix it up with the Democrats, He articulates conservative principals in a clear and compelling manner, and he doesn't come across as a doddering old geezer or an inexperienced youth.
Now I'm sure DeMint has some faults since there is no such thing as a perfect conservative. As long as his views agree with mine 80% of the time I'm happy with him, and from what I've seen of him so far, I'm quite impressed.
Now before Palin and Jindal supporters get upset at me, I'm not trashing Palin or Jindal and would never dream of doing so, because as I said before, I like both of them and I think either one of them would be a great Commander in Chief.
If you want to see Jim DeMint in action just watch his senate speeches and debates, along with his various media interviews on YouTube.
Jim DeMint for President 2012!