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Obama's going to *increase* the size of our military?
utube ^ | 2-24-09 | obama

Posted on 02/24/2009 10:24:38 PM PST by Marie

17:52 in:

"To relieve the strain on our forces, my budget increases the number of our soldiers and marines.

"And to keep the sacred trust with those we serve, we will raise their pay and give our veterans the expanded heath care and benefits that they have earned."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho2009; bho44; bhodod; candy; crappingunicorn; haveapony; mayialso; military
First: If he's pulling us out of Iraq to try to save money, where is he getting the money to hire more troops?

Second: If we're cutting down on the ops tempo, why do we need more troops? (Other than replacement.)

Third: There's already serious talk about his administration increasing the co-pays for TriCare and having us pay 10% of our medical bills (50% for retirees).

Fourth: On that note, how does the claim that he's going to spend more on service members fit in with the "cut back" and "balance the budget" theme of this speech?

(Does anyone here *seriously* believe that our military will get *more* with this guy?)

And finally: Why does the DOD have to keep the details for the military budget secret if it's going to be so pleasing to the service members and the public? (NO, it has nothing to do with security. Secure info would have already been addressed. This has to be basic stuff.)

http://federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3957786

1 posted on 02/24/2009 10:24:38 PM PST by Marie
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To: Marie

Hmmm....is this his own private domestic army, equal in size to the current military, that Obama has talked about?


2 posted on 02/24/2009 10:30:20 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: Marie

he said the war was ending, and he was bring the troops home.


3 posted on 02/24/2009 10:31:10 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: television is just wrong

He may be ending the war in Iraq, but the war he wants to fight here is about to begin I think.


4 posted on 02/24/2009 10:34:29 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: ransomnote

That civilian army Obama wants, it gives me the creeps. Sounds like brownshirts of days gone by. I’ve always wondered how he planned to errect his domestic military ‘equal in size’ to our current military - how would the two relate? Then I realized he would have to disband the ‘real’ (current) military. So maybe he hires/trains his own domestic army and releases returning soldiers from duty with a big thank you and some sort of money? I mean of course this is crazy talk, but so is his weird desire for a domestic army of his own making. He always said that his ‘civilian’ army would rebuild infra structure etc. Creepy...


5 posted on 02/24/2009 10:35:32 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: Marie
How will he pay for more Army and Marines?

Cut the livng (BLANK) out of the Navy and USAF.

With Him giving away the nukes, won't need those silly B52 and B2w, won't need all those ICBMs, or those D5s. SAve a lot of bucks there.

Then the real cuts start....

Reminds me when my dad trained for WWII with a wooden stick because there were no rifles for training. And he shipped out to the Pacific theater - told he could get a weapon when he arrived, from a casualty, those they had a lot of.....

6 posted on 02/24/2009 10:35:34 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: Marie

The only way he’s going to increase the size of the military is through a draft.

Unless by “military,” he actually means his Civilian Army of Gorts that perceives everything as an attack.


7 posted on 02/24/2009 10:38:32 PM PST by scott7278 (It's time to rattle, folks! Don't tread on us!)
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To: ASOC

Well, if he pulls out of A’stan, P’stan and Iraq etc. Announces the world is now at peace thanks to him, then he announces that America no longer ‘needs’ foreign projection of power via aircraft carriers or airforce - then he mindlessly mouths insincere thank yous while showing them the door?


8 posted on 02/24/2009 10:39:42 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: scott7278

But Hitler hustled up the ‘youth’ into ‘armies’ by providing them with status and in some cases, more food/shelter than was available to them elsewhere. Obama would use his cloying PR to call these the ‘real’ heroes because they’d be serving the messiah’s cause etc, and no threat of ‘nasty’ service over seas.


9 posted on 02/24/2009 10:42:01 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

I agree completely.


10 posted on 02/24/2009 10:44:28 PM PST by scott7278 (It's time to rattle, folks! Don't tread on us!)
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To: television is just wrong
he said the war was ending, and he was bring the troops home.

If they are coming home and not on the government payroll as combat troops, many will find the new "job" is standing in the unemployment line as the economy melted down in their absence. We'll be paying them less to sit home and do nothing.

11 posted on 02/24/2009 10:48:28 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: ransomnote

Creepy, isn’t it?


12 posted on 02/24/2009 10:50:06 PM PST by scott7278 (Obama, Klaatu barada nikto!)
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To: ransomnote
Aside from the active duty military, there a lots of us working as DoD contractors. If the programs get cut, there's no need for contractors to produce the very specialized goods and services for the military. The down side of that equation is that the contractors will find something else to do. When the time comes that they are needed again, it will be next to impossible to round up the resources to anywhere near the current capability.
13 posted on 02/24/2009 10:53:07 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: ransomnote

The US currently has forces in 123 different nations.

There are only 195 recognized countries, so clearly we will be saying good - bye to places we should have left decades ago, or never have been involved with in the first place (Korea and Kosovo as examples of each).

Just for fun, I googled Navy cuts, USAF cuts and so on over the last few minutes. The military has taken some major cuts - some over the last few years - and that level of funding will never be seen again.

Under the current group of POls, expect to see more, deeper and widespread cuts. Something has to give to pay for all those extra food stamps....


14 posted on 02/24/2009 10:56:40 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: txnativegop

That’s what doesn’t make sense to me. If we’re pulling out of Iraq and barely beefing up in Afghanastan, why would he add *more* troops? We only need more people if we stay or raise the current ops tempo.

So what’s he going to do with this larger military? Either he plans on fighting a civil war or he’s lying.

Honestly, I think he’s just blowing smoke. It makes no sense. It also makes no sense to propose this during a speech concerning the lowering of the deficit. I think he’s just saying this to appease stressed-out troops.


15 posted on 02/24/2009 10:58:25 PM PST by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: ASOC

What’s not so good is that we’ll be giving up strategic bases that give us a foot-hold and launching platforms to hard-to-reach areas.

Also, don’t forget that we’re the only thing standing between Israel and S. Korea (and I’m sure others) and certain doom. If we pull back too far, we’re going to have to contend with WWIII. (And yes, it would spill over.)

Probably cheaper to hold our ground at this point.


16 posted on 02/24/2009 11:02:59 PM PST by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: ASOC

I am a Victor David Hanson fan and he has made the case, a good one in my opinion, for withdrawing troops from complacent, vindictive European countries and ‘allowing’ them to pay for their own defense for a change. I can see that we need to withdraw from some of these countries. Obama’s math (increasing the military) specifies army and marines will increase - so it sounds like AF and Navy decrease - as another poster pointed out - at the same time we bring people home from the middle east. I suspect his math only works out if he is still planning his gort army (civilian army equal in pay, size to real army)


17 posted on 02/24/2009 11:04:29 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: Marie

Uh...because he’s lying.


18 posted on 02/24/2009 11:04:49 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: Marie

Hard to say

South Korea has an Army 4X bigger than ours and a very modern air force.

The IDF has hukes (nuff sed there) and has proven they can take care of themselves. IF they cut back on punative expiditions, they should do just fine.

And,ya, we should have been out of Europe in 1960 at the latest. But I suspect German beer played a part in our staying....

No matter what, the US military in 2010 or 2011 will in no way resembile what we have today...


19 posted on 02/24/2009 11:10:46 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: ransomnote

Since Japan picks up a large part of our tab, keeping a base or two there would make some sense.

Dunno about Guam - 25K Marines on that small an island - come a payday, 3 day weekend and it ain’t gonna be any fun for everyone....


20 posted on 02/24/2009 11:13:29 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: ransomnote

The socialists are going to make sure Iraq and Afghanistan are another Vietnam, no matter how much it costs us.


21 posted on 02/24/2009 11:25:42 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

Yes, and I shudder to think what lengths they will go to in order to accomplish their traitorous goals.


22 posted on 02/24/2009 11:30:36 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: All

The Mans (Obalama) a silver tongued smooth talking fool.


23 posted on 02/24/2009 11:38:48 PM PST by Dov in Houston (The word Amnesty invokes a passion in me. Illegal immigrants are criminals. Supporters Aid & Abet)
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To: All

0bamas new military will be trading in their weapons for soup ladles, shovels, hammers and trash bags.

Marines will be running the soup kitchens in places like Haiti as they did under Clinton.

Army will be digging ditches and building houses for 0bama’s relatives in Kenya.

Navy will be picking flotsam and jetsam off the beaches of Indonesia.

Air Force will be flying Friends of 0Bama and Pelosi on worldwide vacations and importing Japanese Beef and Iranian caviar in fresh daily for White House consumption.


24 posted on 02/24/2009 11:51:23 PM PST by LegendHasIt (Freepmail me if you want to join the Precious Metals ping list.)
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To: Dov in Houston

Bringing this back to center, Obama hasn’t really proposed spending less on anything so far.

Yeah, he campaigned on buffering the USMC and the war in Iraq. He hasn’t asked for any specific DOD cuts yet. Gates is stil running the show at the Pentagon.

Cutting the V-22 would not be a bad thing. Swinging the FCS into reality would not be a bad thing. Buying the extra 60 F-22s Conrgress approved in this last session, ending it, and concentrating funds on the F-35 is a good. The cost overruns on so many programs right now are worthy of prosecution.

The U.S. Navy embarked on its 313 combat ship program but I don’t know if it’s necessary or relavent anymore. LCS is looking more and more a marginal, limited idea while we could spend money on vessels bigger but more capable flexible.

Rumfeld’s early ‘00s reorg was not all that. I felt he wanted to readjust the U.S. military for purely regional conflicts at the expense of global ones. Some of the ideology was good but not all......the Crusader was a hole.


25 posted on 02/25/2009 12:01:12 AM PST by JoenTX (do it)
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To: Marie

0 figures it is his military now, and he intends to use it against his enemies. Take cover.


26 posted on 02/25/2009 12:01:24 AM PST by pallis
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To: ASOC

“And,ya, we should have been out of Europe in 1960 at the latest. But I suspect German beer played a part in our staying....”

As a vet, you would/might have known what our mission was in Europe, prior to 1989 (end of USSR threat, to significant extent).

Between 1945 and 1989 we did have a valid reason to be in Europe.

You may not agree with that reason, or our mission, but administrations during both parties felt we did.

It could be said we won the Cold War by demonstrating our willingness to stand ready to respond to agression against our NATO allies.


27 posted on 02/25/2009 12:18:28 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Eagles6

No, he’s simply continuing the increase in Army and USMC troop strength begun under Bush.


28 posted on 02/25/2009 12:59:07 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Marie
Just words, just speeches.

All Bumbi quotes/promises have expiRATion dates!

29 posted on 02/25/2009 1:44:32 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology)
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To: scott7278
Yes, that caught my attention immediately and wondered the same. Draft for 'our Military' or his; or both. But thought this an arrogant assumption of power, once again. (And we cannot forget his education promise from 'birth to college' or whatever; but a frightening assumption of ownership here.)

Of course, the 'Draft' will probably come back; as fewer will be signing up for Obama's military; no matter what branch. (Many who voted for Obama, could not 'get this'. They imagined instead, that they were, somehow, protecting their children here.)

30 posted on 02/25/2009 2:32:29 AM PST by cricket (January 20, 2009 - the day the music died)
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To: rawcatslyentist
His words at face value; are as empty as the 'suit' they are delivered from.

It was painful tonight; it all seemed a satirical exercise. The 'words'; the applause. . .the 'hope'; couched as it all was; in a rhetoric that has it's own meaning, promise and threat.

The 'sock puppets' enjoyed the evening and the praise has begun anew; and the sheeple will respond accordingly.

31 posted on 02/25/2009 2:41:18 AM PST by cricket (January 20, 2009 - the day the music died)
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To: Strategerist

How does Obama increase these numbers; ‘hire’ more? Don’t think so. . .or just change the ‘expiration date’ on Service?


32 posted on 02/25/2009 2:43:35 AM PST by cricket (January 20, 2009 - the day the music died)
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To: cricket

He’ll have a draft.


33 posted on 02/25/2009 2:53:30 AM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Marie
First: If he's pulling us out of Iraq to try to save money, where is he getting the money to hire more troops?

Reading your question literally, I think it probably answers itself.

Not to let the cat out of the bag, but the Army's in bad shape. I work for the Army, and can say that it's no mystery why it's in it's current condition. It's not big enough for the number of tasks it has. By reducing the tasks and increasing manpower, the Army will regenerate over time and regain a lot of capability we've lost over the last 8 years.

I don't know that I trust Obama to *do* that, but he's certainly *saying* the right thing.

34 posted on 02/25/2009 3:00:07 AM PST by Steel Wolf (Oh, well. Back to the drawing board....)
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To: Marie

He could drive all the heterosexual men and women from the military and increase the pay to all the deviates he could dig up.


35 posted on 02/25/2009 3:58:35 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: usmcobra
Re the draft; no question it will come; the only question I see is when. Am guessing they will wait until a 'crisis' - fear to say what that could be; and/or they imply we have too few soldiers on ground - and depending how long Obama is Pres. that Will be true - and they will blame - Bush/Cheney - and begin the draft. . .

The Left hates all things Military; save for the power it affords them. Have only to read how Russia treats it's soldiers to understand the level of disregard and debasement of those who 'must serve' those who 'hate'.

36 posted on 02/25/2009 6:25:39 AM PST by cricket (January 20, 2009 - the day the music died)
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To: Marie
He is going to have a fight with Barney Frank: Cut the Military Budget (by 25% - no evidence defense spending is economic stimulus) [FR thread]
37 posted on 02/25/2009 6:32:26 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (It took 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for BO to tear it down.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Yeah right, just like we are all getting those tax cuts.


38 posted on 02/25/2009 6:35:12 AM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Marie

I’m thinking their plan is to make Tricare so expensive we will willingly give it up to opt in to the new “National Health Plan.”


39 posted on 02/25/2009 6:38:09 AM PST by csmusaret (You can't spell Democrat without R-A-T.)
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To: truthandlife

You must mean the $13.00 in April and $8.00 next year.

Yeah, that will buy my groceries for one day. < /sarc>


40 posted on 02/25/2009 6:51:43 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (It took 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for BO to tear it down.)
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To: LegendHasIt

You are so right.


41 posted on 02/25/2009 7:28:05 AM PST by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: cricket

What’s messed up is that I’ve already met two people who’ve joined the military because the economy is so bad.

People who think that the military has been our largest welfare system, were truly wrong. But that’s exactly what it’s about to become.


42 posted on 02/25/2009 7:31:04 AM PST by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Marie
People who think that the military has been our largest welfare system, were truly wrong. But that’s exactly what it’s about to become.

Yes, no doubt, that is in the unspoken subtext of Obama's rationale as well. Get them poor enough; and they 'will come' - and they will be counted in the 'employment up' stats.

'A Rusian Diary' by murdered (like so many at Putin's behest)Russian journalist, Anna Politkovskaya is a great and important read for those who wish to see inside a 'Leftist'/communist culture where power is no more than a 'self-servance' and a country's citizens; no more than an expendable 'means' used by the 'powerful'.

(This book will never make 'Oprah's book list; but is available at Amazon; if not in bookstore.)

43 posted on 02/25/2009 7:59:35 AM PST by cricket (January 20, 2009 - the day the music died)
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To: truth_seeker

Humm, good point. THe Germans picked up a good share, the rest were counting on US (the USofA) to pay the bill

Both in dollars and in blood.


44 posted on 02/25/2009 5:23:53 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: JoenTX

“Bringing this back to center, Obama hasn’t really proposed spending less on anything so far.”

I have heard on the radio the US military has been instructed to find 10 percent to cut.

Certainly Obama’s core sentiments are for less defense, more social programs.

Less guns, more butter—for the few old enough to remember the terminology during Vietnam in the 60s.


45 posted on 02/25/2009 5:36:17 PM PST by truth_seeker
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