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Bristol Palin Proves It: Abstinence Education Is Unrealistic
Pajamas Media ^ | February 24, 2009 | Katherine Berry

Posted on 02/25/2009 11:35:33 AM PST by AJKauf

When I, a parent of a 17-year-old daughter due to graduate from high school this May, originally read about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy during the presidential campaign, I shared the same sense of indignant outrage expressed by many upon hearing the news. Why on earth is a girl that age having sex, particularly when she was raised by a mother who staunchly supports abstinence-only education? Didn’t she listen?

Yes, I’ll admit my first reaction upon learning of a pregnant teenage girl is to think that it really should be that simple: telling one’s child “don’t have sex until you’re married” should be enough. Never mind the whole virginity pledge thing; explaining the risk of STDs, AIDs and teenage pregnancy should be sufficient rationale. And, just in case it isn’t, then the threat of an angry parent with “a 12-gauge double-aught buckshot” should be enough incentive for teens to “keep their britches on.” And yet, obviously, it isn’t. The Bristol Palins and Jamie Lynn Spears are proof enough that “just say no” doesn’t always sink in....

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1 posted on 02/25/2009 11:35:33 AM PST by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

This fiasco went a long way in sinking Palin’s credibility.


2 posted on 02/25/2009 11:38:04 AM PST by Troll_House_Cookies (Ironically, Chancellor Obama's first re-education camp will be in Alaska.)
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To: AJKauf
I know a kid who was in a serious drunk driving accident.

I guess we should stop telling kids not to drink and drive.

3 posted on 02/25/2009 11:38:31 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Troll_House_Cookies

No, it didn’t.


4 posted on 02/25/2009 11:38:58 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Troll_House_Cookies; All

Why???


5 posted on 02/25/2009 11:39:02 AM PST by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: AJKauf
The Bristol Palins and Jamie Lynn Spears are proof enough that “just say no” doesn’t always sink in....

They're also proof that not listening has consequences....but nevermind that.......

6 posted on 02/25/2009 11:39:09 AM PST by edpc
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To: dead

They’re going to do it anyway.


7 posted on 02/25/2009 11:39:34 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: AJKauf

So the point of this article is that one’s children sometimes don’t listen to you. I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you. I had no idea teenagers could be so rebellious.


8 posted on 02/25/2009 11:39:40 AM PST by JamesP81 (I shall give their president the same respect they gave mine)
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To: dead

Libs infuriate me with this line of “thinking”...

Since someone fails to live up to a standard, that means the standard is worthless?

That sounds exactly like what Satan would whisper in your ear to get you to do something you shouldn’t.


9 posted on 02/25/2009 11:39:56 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: AJKauf
> Abstinence Education Is Unrealistic

Abstinence education must be accompanied by the actual practice of abstinence. Bristol and Levi failed to follow half of the formula.

10 posted on 02/25/2009 11:41:06 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: AJKauf
It is a shame how Bristol words are being abused and twisted.

She made a mistake and acknowledges it as such. She clearly said that, learning from her mistake, kids should wait, while at the same time acknowedlging the unfortunate reality that in this day and age most kids her age aren't receptive for this message.

So does this mean that we shouldn't teach a good ideal because it is too often disobeyed? No! We should continue to teach good ideals, because they are right. But at the same time we should support those who made mistakes, while making it clear that they have to accept the consequences and responsibilities.

THIS is the essence of her statements.

11 posted on 02/25/2009 11:41:28 AM PST by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: JamesP81; All

I know lets turn back the clock and live back in the pretend world of the 50’s and early 60’s where nothing like this ever happened..


12 posted on 02/25/2009 11:41:52 AM PST by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: AJKauf

My father gave me a good reason to never get a young girl in trouble. It’s called a knuckle sandwich.


13 posted on 02/25/2009 11:42:29 AM PST by RC2
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To: AJKauf

If my understanding of the timing is correct, Bristol snuck out for sex while mom was busy having a baby of her own. It is great to teach children to abstain. It is better to help them live up to their pledge by being a responsible parent and not providing situations where they can “slip up.”


14 posted on 02/25/2009 11:43:31 AM PST by Ingtar (Americans have truly let America down. A sad day.)
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To: AJKauf

My high school had an abstinance only program to which I totaly agreed, but my junoir year there were 4 pregnant girls in my US history class alone.


15 posted on 02/25/2009 11:43:44 AM PST by lnzog (I'm from Illinois and I apologize.)
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To: MrB
Exactly, even in times when there more morality and standards and yes, even God forbid, shame, there were still teenage girls that got pregnant. Did that mean that we should immediately tell every girl, hey it's OK Suzie got knocked up so you may as well do it too.

No, we said, poor Suzie, she made a mistake, now she's going to have to live with it and it's not going to be easy. Let's help her in any way we can but let this be a lesson to you.

16 posted on 02/25/2009 11:43:55 AM PST by marlon
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To: dead

LoL....


17 posted on 02/25/2009 11:44:07 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: SumProVita

The irony of the moment the world found out that the person promoting abstinence had a pregnant daughter also must have gone right over a few people’s heads from what I read here on FR. Granted, Palin got unfair treatment, but this kind of nonsense didn’t help.


18 posted on 02/25/2009 11:45:35 AM PST by Troll_House_Cookies (Ironically, Chancellor Obama's first re-education camp will be in Alaska.)
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To: dead
Exactly. We should give them a bottle of tequila, the car keys, oh, and a crash helmet so that they're "safe." ;-)
19 posted on 02/25/2009 11:46:39 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Abstinence education must be accompanied by the actual practice of abstinence. Bristol and Levi failed to follow half of the formula.

Nailed it.

I have been amused by the reactions of people to this situation. It's a litmus test for hypocrisy.

20 posted on 02/25/2009 11:47:14 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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To: AJKauf

Aside from getting her networks mixed up, a pretty good article. Kids are only human.


21 posted on 02/25/2009 11:47:15 AM PST by bigbob (-)
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To: SolidWood

The left, and their “father” (of lies) want there to be no standards -

do what thou will shall be the whole of the law.


22 posted on 02/25/2009 11:47:32 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: AJKauf

Abstinence: Responsible self-control.

Abortion: “Guiltless” irresponsibility.

Abstinence doesn’t work for everyone.
OTOH, abortion kills...every time.


23 posted on 02/25/2009 11:48:25 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: Ingtar
If my understanding of the timing is correct, Bristol snuck out for sex while mom was busy having a baby of her own. It is great to teach children to abstain. It is better to help them live up to their pledge by being a responsible parent and not providing situations where they can “slip up.”

Hold on.....are you saying her mother was being an irresponsible parent because she was having a child of her own? One child per married couple? If that is the case I guess you have a point because Bristol never would have been born to begin with.

24 posted on 02/25/2009 11:48:57 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: AJKauf

SEX is preached EVERYWHERE today....it’s saturated into children....sure people got pregnant in the 50’s (and before)....but usually they got married and made a family! Now....the “culture” says...have sex...don’t get married....do what pleases YOU....I still can’t figure out why Bristol and the father have NOT married....there is no excuse, unless they never plan(ned) to.


25 posted on 02/25/2009 11:49:31 AM PST by goodnesswins (Conservative and fighting for freedom and liberty....whether you like it or not.)
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To: dead
Amen. Telling anyone not to strike someone when they feel provoked to do so, doesn't always work for many, so just stop telling our kids not to hit, kick or bite the other kid and especially don't meet out punishment for same.

Let's all just accept unacceptable behavior instead of teaching our kids not to do it.

Society is just going to behave however the way that they behave, so learn it, love it, live with it.

26 posted on 02/25/2009 11:50:22 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: AJKauf

I’m wondering if anyone can give me a cite where Sarah Palin said she believes in “abstinence only” education. I have heard this said by people attacking her, but never from her. Could this be propaganda?


27 posted on 02/25/2009 11:50:22 AM PST by vharlow
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To: MrB
Since someone fails to live up to a standard, that means the standard is worthless?

The standard is great. I think the point is to give them a backup education in case they don't meet the standard.

28 posted on 02/25/2009 11:50:24 AM PST by antiRepublicrat (Sacred cows make the best hamburger.)
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To: AJKauf

“.....I’m pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don’t have a problem with that. That doesn’t scare me, so it’s something I would support also.”

Sarah Palin, 2006 radio interview

I’m really disappointed to see Pajamas Media pushing this tired old slur.......


29 posted on 02/25/2009 11:50:42 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: AJKauf
Dad + 12 guage = Abstinence Education (for him)

"Which antler shall I hang your scrotum from, son?"

Mom + video of live child birth = Abstinence Education (for her)

"Episiotomies are fun, dear!"

30 posted on 02/25/2009 11:50:50 AM PST by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Hypocrisy does NOT mean what you imply it means.

Hypocrisy is claiming to believe in a standard that you really don’t believe in.

It does NOT mean not living up to that standard (and therefore, the standard need not be valued).


31 posted on 02/25/2009 11:51:05 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: AJKauf

It was easy to teach no sex before marraige when most people got married at 15-20 years old. Now we expect them to go to college, make a career and never have sex until they are near 30.

While I think teen sex is entirely too young, I think it’s silly to not explain the concept of contraceptive. Not that it will always work, but by God let them know that is an option. While explaining why it’s better to wait, let them know that getting pregnant is beyond irresponsible. As I said, not that it always works.

Just my opinion and reflection on my years in high school. Maybe I just went to a ‘bad’ high school.

And also as a terrified mother of three girls, two of which are teens.


32 posted on 02/25/2009 11:51:09 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Exactly. We should give them a bottle of tequila, the car keys, oh, and a crash helmet so that they're "safe." ;-)

Playing devil's advocate here (and I know you're being sarcastic above), isn't abstinence education the equivalent of telling a kid "Don't drive drunk" while contraception education is the equivalent of giving the kids seat belts and crash helmets?

33 posted on 02/25/2009 11:51:22 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Yeah, I’m sure that they didn’t know about birth control. That information isn’t available ANYWHERE...


34 posted on 02/25/2009 11:52:14 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Troll_House_Cookies
She promoted abstinence because it is right. She was and is not against educating about contraceptives. The claim that she is pushing exclusively abstinence and is therefore a hypocrite is false.

Many of us here a Christians and we promote the good message and it's teachings. But we are still sinning every day. Falling short of an ideal (and in this case it was her daughter, not herself), doesn't make neither her wrong, nor the ideal wrong.

35 posted on 02/25/2009 11:52:17 AM PST by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: Ingtar

WTH? So it’s Sarah Palin’s fault for having a baby?

I’m sorry to tell you, you are not going to be with your 17 year old 24 hours a day.


36 posted on 02/25/2009 11:53:02 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: MrB
Hypocrisy does NOT mean what you imply it means.

Seeing as I never offered any implication of a definition, your comment doesn't apply to my post.

It does NOT mean not living up to that standard (and therefore, the standard need not be valued).

Never said it did.

Please read before posting. If you don't understand a post, ask.

37 posted on 02/25/2009 11:53:45 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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To: goodnesswins

Have you even seen her interview? They will finish school and marry. Their timeschedule is not our business.


38 posted on 02/25/2009 11:54:03 AM PST by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: AJKauf

One cannnot teach abstinence the way one teaches algebra. On the other hand, kids fail to learn the lessons of abstinance for the same reason they fail to learn algebra: too many other kids think it is impossible, or even unnatural—weird, in other words.

Fifty years ago, BTP, most kids felt the same as they do today, and boys tried to do pretty much what they do to day, but for boys the idea was that if one has sex with anyone except a whole, one ought to think —at least—of marriage. Most girls also thought of marriage, but there was also the fear of pregnancy, and the shame attendent to being an unwed mother. There was also the shame attendent to boys of shame at getting a girl pregnant when marriage was no practical option.


39 posted on 02/25/2009 11:54:06 AM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: AJKauf

I went to a Catholic boys High School and learned the greatest lesson about pre-marital sex imaginable — all the priest told us was the approximate cost to raise a child to the age of eighteen.


40 posted on 02/25/2009 11:54:11 AM PST by OldNavyVet (Individual freedom is measurable ... If taxes take all you earn, you are a slave.)
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To: Ingtar
help them live up to their pledge by being a responsible parent and not providing situations where they can “slip up.”

is being a responsible parent keeping them at your side every moment?

This whole article and discussion is ridiculous. The writer acts as if birth control has been effective! Planned Barrenhood has made their own business by promoting birth control, which is like a "free ticket" for all the sex you want (in the eyes of a teen). This is always going to lead to SOMETHING.

I did abstinence couseling for 10 years, and believe me--it works!

My husband and I had a joke that if we'd had relations before we got married, we would have gotten pregnant. :) We have two beautiful adopted sons whose birthmothers chose life, and were generous enough to let them go.

41 posted on 02/25/2009 11:54:21 AM PST by GOP_Thug_Mom (libera nos a malo)
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To: MrB

It’s not just birth control in general, it’s using it correctly. Most of the condom failures generally cited are because they were used incorrectly.


42 posted on 02/25/2009 11:54:48 AM PST by antiRepublicrat (Sacred cows make the best hamburger.)
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To: AJKauf

I’m always so glad when threads like this get posted to see all of the perfect people who haunt Free Republic

I’m glad to be surround by those who never made a youthful mistake and always did the right thing, even when lack of experience and wisdom made other, less prefect creatures falter.

It’s so nice to hear how they have never had one of their children stumble because their perfectness has been inherited by their offspring.

Gosh, aren’t we all lucky to have these paragon of virtues here to remind the rest of us just how imperfect we are, or may have been when we were young. And how if one of our children makes a mistake, it’s because we’ve been such awful parents who may have actually forgiven (horrors) our children when they made a mistake.


43 posted on 02/25/2009 11:54:54 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: AJKauf

The issue as I see it is Mother Nature’s fault, although it seems no one consulted her about raising the age requirement of sexual maturity or asked permission to change it from her designated time.

Society decided that the age level must be raised to 18 or 20 yrs of age to allow education and other developments that were not figured into Mother Nature’s original schedule and expect as usual that their decision is enough to change the bodies natural urges and desires. As the old TV commercial used to say “ It’s not nice to fool with Mother Nature”

Most of our Grand Parents or Great GP’s were 14 -16 years of age when they were married and started families, I’m not disagreeing with the decision or the need to further education and other maturities before marriage or sexual contact or to extend the age of starting a family; just that the body was designed to be active in the years after puberty by nature and it’s not easy for man to curtail an urge that strong with just his abstinence requirements.


44 posted on 02/25/2009 11:55:12 AM PST by PROSOUTH ( Deo Vindice "God Will Vindicate")
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To: Darkwolf377

OH, I fully understood your post.

Since the kids didn’t live up to a standard that their parents set, the parents or the kids are hypocrits. This is the LEFTIST definition, with the INTENT that no standards should be espoused.


45 posted on 02/25/2009 11:55:42 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Darkwolf377

...and tequila and a false sense of security and a sense that everybody’s doing so it’s OK.


46 posted on 02/25/2009 11:56:22 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: KevinDavis

because Palin is for abstinence ONLY education and if she talked about using condoms and birth control, Bristol wouldn’t get pregnant.


47 posted on 02/25/2009 11:56:28 AM PST by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: MrB
OH, I fully understood your post. Since the kids didn’t live up to a standard that their parents set, the parents or the kids are hypocrits.

That's TWO strikes.

You can either go back and read it again, or simply ask me what I meant.

48 posted on 02/25/2009 11:57:34 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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To: GOP_Thug_Mom

YEP...I have a grandson who was the result of a “birth control” practice that didn’t work....condoms.


49 posted on 02/25/2009 11:58:15 AM PST by goodnesswins (Conservative and fighting for freedom and liberty....whether you like it or not.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Opponents of teaching, or practicing abstinence persist in propagating the myth that those who advocate abstinence fail or refuse to teach about the use of measures to prevent conception. There is not reason to conclude that Bristol Palin and her boyfriend didn’t know about the glorious condom. But young folk. and even mature people, can permit themselves to get carried away by passion and do things that they may have resolved, in a cooler, more rational state not to do. And then they may forget about those precautionary measures as well. It happens in the best of families. Its called “the human condition.”


50 posted on 02/25/2009 11:58:28 AM PST by Elsiejay
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