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Gov. Jindal Follow-up: What Is 'Volcano Monitoring'? (we cannot possibly survive without it dude)
Live Science ^ | Wed Feb 25, 2009 | Andrea Thompson

Posted on 02/25/2009 8:09:40 PM PST by presidio9

After President Obama's speech on the economy last night, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal criticized government spending in the stimulus bill, citing examples including "$140 million for something called 'volcano monitoring.'"

The $140 million to which Jindal referred is actually for a number of projects conducted by the United States Geological Survey, including volcano monitoring. This monitoring is aimed at helping geologists understand the inner workings of volcanoes as well as providing warnings of impending eruptions, in the United States and in active areas around the world where U.S. military bases are located.

Most of the money from the stimulus bill earmarked for monitoring (only about a tenth of the total going to the USGS) will go to modernizing existing monitoring equipment, including switching from analog to digital and installing GPS networks that can measure ground movements, said John Eichelberger, program coordinator for the USGS's Volcano Hazards Program. Much of the expense of this technology comes from the manpower required to make and install it, he added.

"Ultimately most of this creates jobs or saves jobs that would have been lost" to recent budget shortfalls Eichelberger told LiveScience.

When he heard Jindal's remarks, Eichelberger said he "was frankly astonished" that the governor would use this particular example, given his own state's recent brush with a catastrophic natural disaster.

Among the scenarios in which the USGS's monitoring can assist - the catastrophic eruption of Mount St. Helens on May 18, 1980, which killed 57 people (including a geologist monitoring the mountain) and was the deadliest and costliest volcanic eruption in U.S. history ($2.74 billion in 2007 dollars). This event was preceded by thousands of

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1 posted on 02/25/2009 8:09:40 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

if its rumbling, belching smoke, ash, dust, gas or fire; IT’S TIME TO LEAVE AND QUICKLY!!!!! LOL!


2 posted on 02/25/2009 8:11:02 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: presidio9

The merits of “Volcano Monitoring” aside. How does it stimulate the economy?


3 posted on 02/25/2009 8:12:27 PM PST by KoRn
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To: presidio9

To be honest, with so many easy targets in the stimulus, I thought this was a bad choice by Jindal, just because that Alaskan volcano has been threatening lately. Imagine if ther is a city affecting eruption after Jindal singled this out?


4 posted on 02/25/2009 8:13:44 PM PST by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: txnativegop; presidio9
I believe the point was that things like UGS appropriations are more properly put into the annual budget rather than in an emergency economic stimulation package.

The volcanoes are going to do what they do monitored or not, and although a little advanced warning would be good, all that's going to do is save a handful of human lives, not particularly help the economy.

5 posted on 02/25/2009 8:14:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: KoRn

By employing graduate students and ensuring that the education establishment can hang onto young people longer, and perhaps convince them to become climatologists after stringing them along for a number of years hiking out to remote volcanoes and installing equipment to monitor them.

But yes, the point you’re making is valid, it’s not a stimulus item, it should be part of the normal budget.


6 posted on 02/25/2009 8:15:04 PM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: presidio9

I’m not defending the funding, but if you are curious go to usgs.gov to check out what it is about.


7 posted on 02/25/2009 8:15:15 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: muawiyah
I believe the point was that things like UGS appropriations are more properly put into the annual budget rather than in an emergency economic stimulation package.

He should have stated that; instead, he sounded like he was proud to be ignorant.

8 posted on 02/25/2009 8:16:04 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: presidio9

Don’t worry gevernor Jindal. America invented the automobile!


9 posted on 02/25/2009 8:17:56 PM PST by Tempest (There's a storm coming...)
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To: Gondring

You can only put so much into a speech. In this case the point was OBVIOUS. No doubt it was entirely too subtle for Democrats ~ they didn’t even want to read their own bill.


10 posted on 02/25/2009 8:18:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Williams

Imagine if the entire $1,000,0000,0000,000 was investeted in volcano monitoring. Our nation would be up to it’s armpits in debt, the economy would still suck, and the volcano would still erupt. That’s what volcanos do sometimes, even if you decide to build a city next to them.

Meanwhile, earmarks like volcano monitoring have zero to do with stimulating the economy. A better use of the money would be on military spending, because obviously Palin will have to call the troops in after the volcano erupts.


11 posted on 02/25/2009 8:18:23 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

I can see Mt Rainier from my front room window. I have been monitoring it for years. It is a volcano, but inactive. WHERE’S MY MONEY??????????????????????????????????


12 posted on 02/25/2009 8:18:40 PM PST by irishtenor (What if Pro Wrestling is real and all the rest of life is fake?)
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To: Gondring

Doesn’t sound “shovel ready” ;-)


13 posted on 02/25/2009 8:18:55 PM PST by Claytonbridge
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To: Gondring

Doesn’t sound “shovel ready” ;-)


14 posted on 02/25/2009 8:19:22 PM PST by Claytonbridge
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To: presidio9

I like Jindal, and I consider myself conservative, but arguing over which program is proper and which is not is a waste of time.

The real question: Is this Constitutional? Is the spending part of Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution?

By focusing on this program and that, we concede the larger point to the left - that the government should have the power to do whatever it wants to do, instead of living in a country with a limited government and strictly enumerated powers.

I’m sure that other people who live up here in Alaska can argue that a decent volcano watch program is a reasonable use of the federal government (I’m looking at all those clauses having to do with protecting commerce and promoting science - large numbers of volcanos in Alaska are right in the path of air cargo flights from Asia.)

However, I’m off topic. Is it Constitutional? That’s the question.


15 posted on 02/25/2009 8:19:46 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Tempest
The first production four wheel automobile was produced in Kokomo Indiana by Elwood Haynes. He beat Karl Benz (Rove's twin brother at 3 removes) by a FULL YEAR.

Karl had, of course, earlier invented the German Army command motorcycle with sidecar ~ which some people still believe to be an automobile!

16 posted on 02/25/2009 8:20:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Gondring

I was one of the first people to post that Jindal did not have a good night. That I feel is acceptable.

But what is not acceptable is to continue the venom for another day. Let’s move on and focus on Obama.


17 posted on 02/25/2009 8:21:42 PM PST by techno
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To: irishtenor

Surprise. Ranier is NOT inactive. It’s just not spewing lava and smoke at the moment, but it could shimmy and shake and send a vast landslide down towards Seattle and destroy most of the Eastern suburbs.


18 posted on 02/25/2009 8:22:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: presidio9

I think Jindal’s point is why is it in a stimulus package.


19 posted on 02/25/2009 8:22:25 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: presidio9
This goes back to Jimmy Carter and Mount St. Helens.
Jimmah wanted to bomb the eruption with freshly
printed money to dampen the eruption.
He then wanted it to be renamed the “Magma Carter”.
20 posted on 02/25/2009 8:23:05 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunhem?), change America will die for.)
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To: muawiyah

And I would have a front row view. Imagine the pictures I could sell.


21 posted on 02/25/2009 8:23:33 PM PST by irishtenor (What if Pro Wrestling is real and all the rest of life is fake?)
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To: muawiyah

Actually, Belgian Jesuit Missionary Ferdinand Verbiest built the first (steam powered) automobile in China in 1672.


22 posted on 02/25/2009 8:24:45 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: muawiyah

Actually Rainer could have a massive slope failure with no earthquake or eruption whatsoever - it’s incredibly unstable and being eaten away from within by circulating hot acidic water.


23 posted on 02/25/2009 8:24:50 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Not to mention all the people walking up and down it all the time.


24 posted on 02/25/2009 8:25:49 PM PST by irishtenor (What if Pro Wrestling is real and all the rest of life is fake?)
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To: presidio9

actually..I thought he meant volcano monitoring here in Louisiana..


25 posted on 02/25/2009 8:29:03 PM PST by BerniesFriend
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To: presidio9
Alas, that was not a "production model".

The whole claim isn't "first car" but "first production model using a gasoline engine and kind of resembling what we would, today, call a car" ~ and there are a lot of claimants. Benz and Haynes were right close together.

At the same time they were hardly "inventing" the concept of the automobile. All that was happening was the creation of a production method for obvious applications ~ to wit, small gasoline engine on frame of carriage.

Otherwise these vehicles weren't much different than a locomotive.

26 posted on 02/25/2009 8:29:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Note to people in the Eastern Suburbs who are worried about this: Time to pack up in leave, if you are worried about this. If something like this happens, they have my sympathy, and I will certainly send a check to whatever trustworthy relief fund is available. But if we know the thing is going to erupt, and people chose to build homes there any way, I fail to see how this is my federal goverment’s problem any more than when some nutjob who can’t feed or house herself decides to have 14 kids or a bunch or rich people choose to build beach houses in a hurricane zone. I missed the part in the Constitution where it talks about a right to stupidity.


27 posted on 02/25/2009 8:30:33 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

it should be in the regular budget if its a needed existing program.

thats the point.


28 posted on 02/25/2009 8:31:56 PM PST by GeronL (Hey, won't you be my Face Book friend??)
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To: redpoll
Exactly. As I have been arguing.
“Proper spending” to stimulate is a false premise, constitutionally. It isn't the responsibility of the Feds to “stimulate” (read: selectively invest in, selectively reward) the economy. The only argument that can be made for it is if it is for national security, which it most certainly is not.

The “conservative” argument is not that the ‘economy needs to be stimulated ‘this way’ or ‘that way.’ It is that the economy needs to be UNCHAINED.

What the democrats are doing is shackling the economy with regulation, financial rewards for following risky/foolish ventures. Then, when the economy falls to its knees, they pretend they can't see the seven tons of chains each business is trying to run with, they claim it is the ‘running’ itself that is causing the stumbling and that it needs even more chains.

As I've said elsewhere, the rate and amounts of the spending are such that no one can pretend this is going to help the economy, not even Keynesians and socialists. This spending is designed to kill the economy and dole out lots of paybacks while sinking the knife in its back — all to ruin the economy so that the people demand a world economic ministry and a global currency.

29 posted on 02/25/2009 8:33:30 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The Stimulus Package: Preamble to the Democrat's new Declaration of In Dependence)
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To: Williams

There also was a volcano that erupted last year (Kasatochi) that didn’t have it’s own monitoring equipment, as it had never had a confirmed historical eruption and the Alaska Volcano Observatory only has the money to monitor a few volcanoes. A couple fish and game scientists were on the island and were evacuated only 30 minutes before it violently exploded, by a passing fishing boat.


30 posted on 02/25/2009 8:34:06 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: BerniesFriend
actually..I thought he meant volcano monitoring here in Louisiana..

Actually, I have no problem with volcano monitoring in Louisiana. Sounds realitively inexpensive to me. In fact, since no one else wanted the job, I have appointed myself chief scientist in charge of volcano monitoring here in Manhattan. No status changes to report since I began monitoring. Send email for updates.

31 posted on 02/25/2009 8:34:12 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: muawiyah; All
The Automobile was invented by Leonardo da Vinci in 1465.

Maybe he was in America then.

Present Obama could not be wrong.

32 posted on 02/25/2009 8:34:18 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: Syncro
Leonardo was a time traveling child molester of course. He may have portrayed himself as Mohammad 7 centuries earlier.

Now, did he "invent the automobile" or just show someone a design for a 2009 Accent?

33 posted on 02/25/2009 8:35:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Syncro
The Automobile was invented by Leonardo da Vinci in 1465.

Leonardo's "invetions" are all irrelevant, because he never actually built most of them, and he never published his notes. Also, most of them don't actally work anyway.

I "invented" a time machines but I'm not telling you anything else about it.

34 posted on 02/25/2009 8:37:19 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9
You have to watch out being smug ~ although you wouldn't think Fairfax County Virginia had a volcano, the USGS building in Reston has a circular driveway in front.

It sits immediately atop one of those multimillion year old buried volcano plugs that dot Earth's surface.

We hope the pluton that threw that sucker up is totally dead but you never can tell.

35 posted on 02/25/2009 8:37:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Why would we want a world currency? WE already have one!


36 posted on 02/25/2009 8:39:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
When he was here in America inventing the car, I would imagine people considered that he had a accent.

Those that hung around the laboratory with him back home sounded much the way he did.

I don't think he was born in Kenya to a Muslim father.

37 posted on 02/25/2009 8:39:31 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: irishtenor

Hey neighbor! ; )


38 posted on 02/25/2009 8:40:17 PM PST by conservative cat (America, you have been PWNED!)
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To: Gondring
...he sounded like he was proud to be ignorant.

All I could hear was his hands.

What really bothered me about Jindal's performance was that a little rehearsal could have avoided a national/global embarrassment. Really, would it have been too much to have a dress rehearsal and critique the performance? I guess it was. Too bad for Bobby and the clueless GOP. Some people really need to lose their jobs.

39 posted on 02/25/2009 8:41:43 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: muawiyah
We hope the pluton that threw that sucker up is totally dead but you never can tell.

I guess you're right. Theoretically, we actually could spend $1,000,000,000,000 monoitoring every possible volcano everywhere. But the point is, that when one actually does erupt, we still can't do a thing about it anyway, so why bother. Only Superman can stop/reverse a major geological event.

40 posted on 02/25/2009 8:41:52 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9
We can't even get everybody to get out of the way when they do go off.

People can be so stupid.

41 posted on 02/25/2009 8:43:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

“As I’ve said elsewhere, the rate and amounts of the spending are such that no one can pretend this is going to help the economy, not even Keynesians and socialists. This spending is designed to kill the economy and dole out lots of paybacks while sinking the knife in its back — all to ruin the economy so that the people demand a world economic ministry and a global currency.”

Good post.


42 posted on 02/25/2009 8:43:19 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: presidio9
We can't even get everybody to get out of the way when they do go off.

People can be so stupid.

43 posted on 02/25/2009 8:43:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: presidio9

Here’s your warning. Stop living next to volcanoes!


44 posted on 02/25/2009 8:44:03 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: presidio9
All “invetions” are irrelevant

I do like your new word though!

I think your comments would make Mona Lisa frown.

45 posted on 02/25/2009 8:45:00 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: muawiyah

You can say that again!

What about that old guy that stayed on the mountain when Mt. St Helens erupted? A 12 ticket ride!


46 posted on 02/25/2009 8:46:27 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: muawiyah
I'm not sure if you're kidding, but the US dollar is not a ‘global currency’ in the sense that it is the only currency that is legal tender and that is regulated from a central (global) bank. The global socialists have been trying to destroy the US economy and the US dollar for decades. To implement a new monetary unit that is issued and regulated from a UN-type of economic ministry would mean total control over the world's population (except for the survivalists who are entirely independent) and the end of all nations as sovereign nations.

In short, all peoples of all the world would be reduced to a global feudalism.

47 posted on 02/25/2009 8:47:49 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The Stimulus Package: Preamble to the Democrat's new Declaration of In Dependence)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
We have what is known as a "world reserve currency". That means "they want it, we got it".

It's as close to a universal currency as this world has, or can have.

Given the many ways "money" can be created (lines of credit, printing presses, loans, credit cards, etc.) it's fairly difficult to control everybody from a central bank.

48 posted on 02/25/2009 8:49:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: kingu

seismologists into climatologists?

Nah...


49 posted on 02/25/2009 8:55:46 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: KoRn
The merits of “Volcano Monitoring” aside. How does it stimulate the economy?

The article explains.

50 posted on 02/25/2009 8:56:23 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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