Posted on 02/26/2009 6:33:13 AM PST by wrrock
“I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller,” Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual’s right to own a weapon.
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Holder certainly is an evil sob.
Just my opinion of course.
How soon can this become law? I am asking cause I plan to buy a AK or a PSL, maybe both.
Scary when the Attorney General of the United States thinks that there’s a gun show loophole.
Planning? Son, get your order in TODAY because manufacturers and retailers are not only sold out but backordered for months. Ditto on ammunition; online suppliers are selling 250,000 round shipments out in a matter of days.
If you have the chance, buy privately.
Might be a good time for all of us to suppor the NRA. They are on our side
You best get a move on. You saw how fast the commies passed the Porkulus Package..........
You can still get a deal on AKs (around $500). I would try to find some out of work individual and purchase the gun for cash without paperwork. You will need to find ammo also which is getting more difficult. Another good choice would be anything in .308 (7.62 NATO)caliber or .223. Some of this you can get with a slingshot, a marble, and with a little stealth after things heat up.
You are betting that the new law won’t be retroactive, or require you to turn your new toys in.
Get the gun, get ammo, store food, find like-minded friends.
I guarantee this legislation is already written and probably ready for immediate vote when they feel like slipping it into another bill. And like last time the dems will march lock-step and there will not be enough rep. to do anything about it. All of you now wondering if you should buy, are so far behind the ball it isn’t funny.
We won’t need “cop killer” bullets; we WILL need Obama Civilian Security Force killer bullets.
If they pass AWB2 they likely will just collect them from everyone, regardless of when purchased. Or they will require a $500 a year registration permit.
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He doesn’t think that at all. He knows the law. He just hates the fact that ordinary citizens can purchase a firearm.
Could a FreePr gun expert offer suggestion on the basic firearms a homeowner should have on hand.
I am not a gun owner or enthusiast, nor am I looking to arm a militia.
I’m just an ordinary citizen getting increasingly nervous about the future of the country. I have been considering purchasing a firearm or two just in case (for family protection, protection against new gun laws, maybe even hunting if all breaks down).
Any suggestions?
There’s no downside to buying them NOW. Do it.
Any attempt to register, tax, or outright confiscate existing owned firearms should be taken as a declaration of war.
I’m not an expert, but I would suggest buying a shotgun (at least a 12-guage) and a decent hand gun (at least a 9mm). I would suggest a Glock, simply because they are pretty lightweight, reliable, and almost industrucable. You can get one for about $350 at most places.
We own one and it’s my favorite pistol to shoot.
Charging the same license fee as they do for full auto machine guns would do the same thing.
Exactly, well said. It’s about time that our side began to play by the rules the other side has been getting away with for decades, basically, refusing to act on whatever legislation they don’t like. We should just refuse to act on any of this and make our stand right here, right now. Make Obama and his commies use all their resources trying to chase down 30 million ‘violators’ and see how far they get.
I sold all of my guns privately. No sir, no guns in my house. That big safe is for my stamp collection and family heirlooms.
Shotgun: preferably 12 gauge
Rifle:
Handgun:
22 rifle:
If I had to get one and only one, it would definitely be the Remington 870 12 gauge posted above me.
If I had to only pick a second weapon that gets tougher. Of course, I think it would depend on what you envision needing the firearms for (regular badguys, apocalypse, zombies, etc.). So would it be the handgun or rifle? Personally, I didn't have a handgun for years and now I don't think that was a good call.
Plus at this point you might as well go for three, since a .22LR rifle can be had well within the $100-200 range.
Whatever you get be sure it's in a common caliber that should be able to pass the the TwoDot test (be able to purchase ammo in any Mom & Pop gun store). Although, the TwoDot test is a little tougher with the ammo runs going on in most parts of the country.
The 10th amendment movement in the states should be the route we take to oppose unconstitutional laws from the fedgov.
States should refuse to enforce these laws, and should use their law enforcement to protect their citizens from fed enforcement of these laws.
Buy 3.A good hunting rifle 30-06, 12guage shotgun and a 22rifle.
Go to a gun shop where you can pick up and handle the guns if you have never shot much start with a good 20 gage shotgun it dose not have the punch of a 12 gage but it dose not have the kick (recoil)of a 12 either. You should look at a .22 rifle my favorite is the little ruger 10-22 they are accurate and fun to shoot.
If you have kids the little ruger 10-22 is fun for them use tin cans full of water or hanging on a string they will enjoy the reaction of the target.
Alarm and Muster! Join the call tree today. Will you stand your ground against tyranny? Don't be caught off guard when they come for your guns. We will only be victorious if we join together.
If an outright revolution breaks out, the Communist forces will be well equipped with body armor, APC’s etc,,,. In order to defeat that, one must use a heavy caliber or high velocity weapon, like a 30-06, 270, 338 Win. Mag., 375 H&H, 458 Win. Mag. Body armor will not provide protection to any one of these extremely powerful weapons.
They are not suitable for regular, peacetime home protection in heavily populated neighborhoods, because they will not only penetrate the perpetrator, but will penetrate several other walls, homes, innocent bystanders, etc.
To be effective, it is essential to own both types/classes of weapon. Hand loading for these weapons is also very easy as well as more economical. Simply buy the loading components in large quantity before the coming restrictions and controls are put in place. the brass cartridges can be reloaded up to a dozen times each with proper maintenance before they are no longer safe to use.
The shooting range we frequent has become increasingly busy the past month. While it sucks to have to wait to get in there, I’m happy to see so many people making an effort to practice.
Rifle: for home defense or even hunting, buy something that will shoot 5.56/.223. This would be an m16/m4/ar15-syle rifle; they are light, tough, and spare parts and ammunition are easy to find. The magazine will hold thirty rounds (bullets). They can fire ammunition that is high fragmentation/low penetration (frangible or TAP ammunition, ideal for a situation where you may be shooting at short range but don’t want your bullets to penetrate several walls and hit a neighbor), but with standard ammo they are accurate out to 600 yards with the right training. Bushmaster, Stag, and Rock River Arms all make nice ar15 platforms.
Pistol: for home defense I prefer a 9mm or .40 caliber. The ammunition for the 9mm is a bit less expensive and lighter, but has less kinetic energy (knockdown power) than the .40 cal. If I had to pick one it would be the .40, but a 9mm is easier to handle if you have never fired a gun. Sig Sauer and Glock make very good pistols.
Two things to keep in mind: 1) There are a dizzying array of manufacturers and weapons out there, as well as many opinions on what is best. You can get a lot of comparisons/practical advice online (www.ar15.com and the like), but you will definitely want to speak to someone about your particular needs and budget and get professional advice on buying/shooting/cleaning/owning. This leads me to my next point...
2) Take some one- or two-day classes, and send time at the range. A good tactical pistol or carbine class will have you running through 500-1000 rounds a day, and you will become familiar with your weapon as well as different shooting scenarios. A little professional instruction is the hallmark of a responsible gunowner, ESPECIALLY if you have no previous experience.
Finally, don’t procrastinate. Many gun and ammo manufacturers are backed up for several months. Do some research online for price comparisons, or go off the grid and buy privately if you can in states that allow it.
Good luck!
I would recommend the following:
Very concealable and reliable pocket gun: Bersa CC 380 using JHP Corbons.
Hand gun: Glock 23 again with JHPs...Federal Hydrashoks
Small Bore Rifle: 10/22 Ruger with extra mags.
Mid Bore Rifle: 243 Winchester maybe a 22-250 (love the Browning X Bolts.)
Big Bore Rifle: 270 Winchester, 30-06 or 7-08
ARs: 223s-Bushmasters or DPMS.
Shotguns: Remington 870 in 12 gauge and 20 gauge.
You should be pretty well covered for anything with the above list from hunting to personal defense.
You can take a Remington 1100 add a 10 round extension and a combat stock .A shotgun is a devastating weapon I would take one any day over my Assault rifle.
In other words, they want all that they can get.
Yep, I saw where we are up to 11 states thus far on that 10th Amendment, with hopefully more to come.
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But in reality, if the size of the shot are the same, (#4, 2, BB, or Buck Shot) the velocities, distance, ballistics and effect of each pellet, once the shot string opens up are the same. (Not to be confused with point blank range within 10 feet of the muzzle) In extreme close range, then the 12 has more “punch” before the shot is released from the wad cup. (Mainly because it will have more collective mass.)
Good advice - covers short range and long range defense, hunting for all types of food; small varmits, fowl and big game. And uses some of the most economical and most readily available types of ammo.
CMP still has serviceable M1 Garands for only $495.
Field Grade 30-06 M1 Garand @ $495
And 30-06 ammo is still available in bulk at reasonable (for these days) prices.
192 Round SPAM Can 30-06 ammo @ $60
http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm
You are incorrect about your claim that a 20 gage shotgun has less “punch” than a 12. Their ballistic performance is equal. the only advantage of a 12, is that it has a larger pattern and contains more pellets down range, giving the illusion that it has more “punch”.
True the load (pellets or slug) come out at the same speed what i was referring to is the 20 gage has less weight in the load fewer pellets or smaller slug.
Too many new shooters get talked into a gun which kicks too hard and give up shooting over the pain that they do not enjoy.
This is true. But in the hands of a beginner, the misuse and inexperience would be even more devastating without having proper instruction or training.
This is the biggest thing that fails to be mentioned here on this thread.
Simple physics.
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