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A Moment of Clarity
me ^ | February26,2009 | yukruk

Posted on 02/26/2009 8:19:23 AM PST by yukruk

I experienced a moment of clarity:

The Republican coalition can not stand the dominance of the neocons.

1) Communism possessed a powerful military force with numerous nuclear weapons. Radical Islam does not threaten us in the same way. 2) Businessmen do not feel as threatened by Islam. 3) Some in the Republican coalition will worry that Israel is using us. 4) Converting Moslems into our friends is made harder by our Middle Eastern conquests. The Communists were easier to convert by conquest, they rarely held any real love for Communism.

Neoconservatives can be a part of the coalition, but they can not dominate the coalition. Wars of choice must be avoided (particularly if the evidence that directs our decision to go to war is faulty).

Let's pretend George Bush part 2 never happened and start over.

I dream of a world without neoconservatives, without paleoconservatives, only conservatives.


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1 posted on 02/26/2009 8:19:23 AM PST by yukruk
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To: yukruk
Listen and learn awhile grasshopper before you confide ultimate truths unto us.


2 posted on 02/26/2009 8:23:12 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: yukruk

Ooooh! Ooooh! I’m wondering if this is going to be my first IBTZ moment! I’m so excited. I’ve tried so many times and I’ve been disappointed so many times, usually because I waste time discoursing like this . . .

The Muslims don’t have nuclear weapons and don’t pose the same kind of threat the Commies did? Are you frickin’ kidding me? The Muslims probably do have nuclear weapons and pose a far worse threat than the Commies ever did, because the Commies at least were logical people who did not particularly care to die. Can’t say the same for radical Muslims at all.


3 posted on 02/26/2009 8:23:43 AM PST by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama!)
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To: yukruk
I dream of a world without neoconservatives, without paleoconservatives, only conservatives.


Pleasant dreams.......... However reality is a bitch sometimes and must be accepted for what it is. As long as there are individuals with a mind/will etc there won't be one homogeneous group.

4 posted on 02/26/2009 8:25:58 AM PST by deport
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To: yukruk

“Wars of choice” means you don’t wait for your enemy to choose the time and place. Waiting cost us 400,000 dead servicemen in the second world war, a couple million wounded, and 50 million dead world-wide.


5 posted on 02/26/2009 8:27:38 AM PST by marron
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To: ottbmare
"The Muslims probably do have nuclear weapons"

Pakistan certainly does.
6 posted on 02/26/2009 8:28:42 AM PST by kc8ukw
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To: yukruk

>> I experienced a moment of clarity

Either you didn’t experience any such moment ... or the “moment” faded before you wrote that drivel.

War of choice? Tell that to those who worked in the WTC.

SnakeDoc


7 posted on 02/26/2009 8:30:22 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Proud Charter Member of the Republican Resistance.)
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To: yukruk
I had a dream last night.....
The Fugs....
8 posted on 02/26/2009 8:31:21 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: yukruk

Is neocon yukruk-speak for Joooooooos?


9 posted on 02/26/2009 8:31:35 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Paleo Conservative
I dream of a world without neoconservatives, without paleoconservatives, only conservatives

Ping my friend PC. This newbie has it in for you.

10 posted on 02/26/2009 8:36:01 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: yukruk

Got a better choice, how about we recall that the only successful conservative campaigns and presidencies were built upon the ideals of smaller government, less burden on the taxpayers, and a need for personal responsibility.

Obama didn’t get the White House because of the war in Iraq, that’s the fiction of the media. He got it because the electorate couldn’t figure out what the difference was between the parties anymore. Both wanted ever increasing governments, more control over our lives, and advocation of personal responsibility to be replaced by the government doing it for us.

But it’s far easier to blame mythical neocons for the failures of the party as a whole to understand these very, very basic tenets.


11 posted on 02/26/2009 8:40:17 AM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: yukruk
Wars of choice must be avoided...

"Wars of choice" is a cliche and a leftist talking point that bears little resemblance to reality...

Do you also use phony leftist terms like, "social justice", "tax cuts for the rich", and "fairness" when you write your "conservative" screeds?

12 posted on 02/26/2009 8:49:28 AM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: yukruk
Our “middle east conquests”? Are you kidding?

Oh, you mean like the one that created the only functioning Arab democracy?

Go back to Daily Kos. They love ignorant talk like that there.

13 posted on 02/26/2009 8:52:30 AM PST by mojito
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To: yukruk

ibtz


14 posted on 02/26/2009 8:54:42 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: yukruk

I struggle with the fact that it is virtually impossible to define these terms in a useful way, and it is impossible to place peopple within those catagories anyway.

Better to speak of tenants we believe, than to try to label groups of beliefs into meaningless catagories. Your moment of calrity would be my moment of confusion. I would wake myself up and start over if I were you.


15 posted on 02/26/2009 8:57:34 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: yukruk
I dream of a world without neoconservatives, without paleoconservatives, only conservatives.

Sure you do. And you're a live long stanch republican, right ?

I dream of FR without trolls.

16 posted on 02/26/2009 9:11:58 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: yukruk
Wars of choice must be avoided

Tell that to your Muslim and Leftist buddies.


17 posted on 02/26/2009 9:21:02 AM PST by Wolfstar (Elections have thousands of consequences. Some minor, some major...and some that can kill you.)
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To: yukruk
Let's pretend George Bush part 2 never happened and start over.

I've got a better idea. Let's pretend the 2008 election never happened and start over.

OK, I LIKE this game! Let's pretend slick willy never happened and start over.

Let's pretend you're not clueless.

Let's pretend Reagan didn't have to get old and have alzheimer's disease and that he was still alive and eligible to be President. OK, that just makes me sad. I miss Reagan.

18 posted on 02/26/2009 9:33:51 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: yukruk
Welcome to FR. This sort of thread is an old standby here, especially on a slow news day. We call it a piñata.

What's wrong with "wars of choice"? I mean, isn't that the whole point of being the world hegemon? What did we break our backs for building a cross-continental railway, skyscrapers, a network of superhighways, an overwhelming popular culture, if it wasn't to be able to crush the necks of developing nations under the iron boot-heel of oppression? You think we did it for our health?

Here's the deal. Bomb factories hire workers. Workers support the unions. You're not anti-union, are you? War is a classic Keynensian stimulus package and anyone not supporting it wants to see workers on breadlines and little American children selling apples on the street. You don't want that...do you?

19 posted on 02/26/2009 9:46:16 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: yukruk
I experienced a moment of clarity:

It's called a bran muffin.

20 posted on 02/26/2009 12:36:16 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: yukruk

21 posted on 02/26/2009 1:45:22 PM PST by KarinG1 (You're just jealous because the voices don't talk to you.)
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To: yukruk
Awesome! You've solved EVERYTHING!

Just marginalize all the ___cons and it'll all be peachy.

Your wisdom is a thing to behold.

22 posted on 02/26/2009 1:49:44 PM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: Red Boots
...a live long stanch republican, right ?

Is that when we get Vulcans in the party?

23 posted on 02/26/2009 1:51:54 PM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: nathanbedford

Thank you all for your responses! A few of them even made sense (a little). Your replies ranged from the condescending (nathanbedford), to the hysterical (I am apparently a leftist, a Moslem-lover, an anti-Semite, I attacked the World Trade Towers, I caused World War II.), to the indecipherable (What is IBTZ? What is that cat doing? Bran muffin?)

I learned a great deal, for example I learned that neocons are a myth. Is Paul Wolfowitz really mythological, like the unicorn or the Loch Ness monster? I learned Wolfstar still thinks Saddam Hussein planned 9/11.

I imagine some of you squirming as you read my post, shouting at your computer screen - the basement echoing with your cries; then staggering to your feet, spilling Jack Daniels on your (already well-stained) t-shirt, waking up your mother (who lives upstairs), resolving immediately to fire off a response.

My crime: I don’t want the Republicans tearing at each other’s throats. I’d rather see them win elections.

My points:
1) Pakistan possesses only a small fraction of the strength of the USSR, and Pakistan is an ally (sort of). Pakistan has nuclear weapons, but they are directed at India. If Pakistan gave any weapons to Al Qaeda that country would cease to exist.
2) Israel’s interests do not always exactly coincide with our own. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. Those who are loyal to the United States of America first are not monsters. And why are we sending so much aid to Israel? How does the American taxpayer benefit?
3) One of the reasons for the Republican predicament is the Iraq War, which is not popular in the U.S. (kingu you are hiding from the facts.)
4) Let’s increase our influence in the Middle East: both economic and cultural. Gulf War II didn’t help. I understand Moslems used to admire the U.S. (We weren’t imperialists like the British.) Now they throw shoes at us.

back to basics: strong military, patriotism, pro-life, traditional values, small government, free enterprise, heal the split that is killing us

Finally, don’t tell yourself that I am some kind of moderate, dainty Republican. If I saw Al Franken I’d kick him down the stairs I promise you.


24 posted on 02/26/2009 9:13:57 PM PST by yukruk (a moment of clarity)
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To: Wolfstar

Thank you all for your responses! A few of them even made sense (a little). Your replies ranged from the condescending (nathanbedford), to the hysterical (I am apparently a leftist, a Moslem-lover, an anti-Semite, I attacked the World Trade Towers, I caused World War II.), to the indecipherable (What is IBTZ? What is that cat doing? Bran muffin?)

I learned a great deal, for example I learned that neocons are a myth. Is Paul Wolfowitz really mythological, like the unicorn or the Loch Ness monster? I learned Wolfstar still thinks Saddam Hussein planned 9/11.

I imagine some of you squirming as you read my post, shouting at your computer screen - the murky basement echoing with your cries; then staggering to your feet, spilling Jack Daniels on your (already well-stained) t-shirt - the sharp liquor-smell striking your nostrils, waking up your mother (who lives upstairs), resolving immediately to fire off a response.

My crime: I don’t want the Republicans ripping each other’s throats. I’d rather see them win elections.

My points:
1) Pakistan possesses only a small fraction of the strength of the USSR, and Pakistan is an ally (sort of). Pakistan has nuclear weapons, but they are directed at India. If Pakistan gave any weapons to Al Qaeda that country would cease to exist.
2) Israel’s interests do not always exactly coincide with our own. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. Those who are loyal to the United States of America first are not monsters. And why are we sending so much aid to Israel? How does the American taxpayer benefit?
3) One of the reasons for the Republican predicament is the Iraq War, which is not popular in the U.S. (kingu you are hiding from the facts.)
4) Let’s increase our influence in the Middle East: both economic and cultural. Gulf War II didn’t help. I understand Moslems used to admire the U.S. (We weren’t imperialists like the British.) Now they throw shoes at us.

back to basics: strong military, patriotism, pro-life, traditional values, small government, free enterprise, heal the split that is killing us

Finally, don’t tell yourself that I am some kind of moderate, dainty Republican. If I saw Al Franken I’d kick him down the stairs I promise you.


25 posted on 02/27/2009 3:25:08 AM PST by yukruk (a moment of clarity)
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To: kingu

Thank you all for your responses! A few of them even made sense (a little). Your replies ranged from the condescending (nathanbedford), to the hysterical (I am apparently a leftist, a Moslem-lover, an anti-Semite, I attacked the World Trade Towers, I caused World War II.), to the indecipherable (What is IBTZ? What is that cat doing? Bran muffin?)

I learned a great deal, for example I learned that neocons are a myth. Is Paul Wolfowitz really mythological, like the unicorn or the Loch Ness monster? I learned Wolfstar still thinks Saddam Hussein planned 9/11.

I imagine some of you squirming as you read my post, shouting at your computer screen - the murky basement echoing with your cries; then staggering to your feet, spilling Jack Daniels on your (already well-stained) t-shirt - the sharp liquor-smell striking your nostrils, waking up your mother (who lives upstairs), resolving immediately to fire off a response.

My crime: I don’t want the Republicans ripping each other’s throats. I’d rather see them win elections.

My points:
1) Pakistan possesses only a small fraction of the strength of the USSR, and Pakistan is an ally (sort of). Pakistan has nuclear weapons, but they are directed at India. If Pakistan gave any weapons to Al Qaeda that country would cease to exist.
2) Israel’s interests do not always exactly coincide with our own. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. Those who are loyal to the United States of America first are not monsters. And why are we sending so much aid to Israel? How does the American taxpayer benefit?
3) One of the reasons for the Republican predicament is the Iraq War, which is not popular in the U.S. (kingu you are hiding from the facts.)
4) Let’s increase our influence in the Middle East: both economic and cultural. Gulf War II didn’t help. I understand Moslems used to admire the U.S. (We weren’t imperialists like the British.) Now they throw shoes at us.

back to basics: strong military, patriotism, pro-life, traditional values, small government, free enterprise, heal the split that is killing us

Finally, don’t tell yourself that I am some kind of moderate, dainty Republican. If I saw Al Franken I’d kick him down the stairs I promise you.


26 posted on 02/27/2009 3:25:08 AM PST by yukruk (a moment of clarity)
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To: Hoffer Rand

The war was a mistake. We are not winning the hearts and minds of Moslems. Saddam Hussein was not Hitler, Saddam was a joke. Pursuing him to Baghdad was not a vital U.S. interest. And also the U.S. should not be the handmaiden of Likud.

You can’t expect businessmen, religious people (Catholics, and many Protestants and Jews also), and taxpayers in general to support these enormously expensive and counterproductive strategies.

It’s not that I want to throw Wolfowitz to the wolves, I just want him to get some vacation time.


27 posted on 02/27/2009 3:25:08 AM PST by yukruk (a moment of clarity)
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To: yukruk

I’m not wearing any pants.


28 posted on 02/27/2009 3:26:18 AM PST by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: yukruk
I learned Wolfstar still thinks Saddam Hussein planned 9/11.

Are you really so clueless, or just baiting folks into further **cough** debate with you?

Finally, don’t tell yourself that I am some kind of moderate, dainty Republican. If I saw Al Franken I’d kick him down the stairs I promise you.

I don't know your political persuasion, nor do I care what it is. I do know that anyone who asserts the following has bought the Leftist line about Iraq hook, line, sinker, and bait:

Wars of choice must be avoided (particularly if the evidence that directs our decision to go to war is faulty).

Given that you spout the Leftist line, and that your vanity post reads like a textbook anti-Semitic screed, not many people around here are going to take you seriously. Poor lad. So sad. Came to a forum, spouted crap and was reamed for it. All that's left (ooops) for you to do is...


29 posted on 02/27/2009 7:20:05 AM PST by Wolfstar (Elections have thousands of consequences. Some minor, some major...and some that can kill you.)
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To: yukruk
I've always wanted to do this on an IBTZ thread. Here's what the article looked like before the MODS zapped it.

Oh, by the way, IBTZ.

30 posted on 02/27/2009 7:24:10 AM PST by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: yukruk; nathanbedford
What you haven't learned is that when you are talking trash about a FReeper, you should "ping" that person.
31 posted on 02/27/2009 7:27:18 AM PST by spectre (sw )(Congress lied...the economy died)
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