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Motive Mongering: Does It Belong in Science?
CEH ^ | February 26, 2009

Posted on 02/26/2009 8:22:42 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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1 posted on 02/26/2009 8:22:42 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 02/26/2009 8:23:31 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
"the reference to quantum physics in support of free will"

I'm rather skeptical of that myself. But I have to wonder, does she then believe there is no such thing as free will? Has she considered the moral implications of that?
3 posted on 02/26/2009 8:25:49 AM PST by kc8ukw
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The Temple of Darwinistic Materialism likes the idea of no free will. They prefer to think we are purely stimulus-response vehicles.


4 posted on 02/26/2009 8:29:07 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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5 posted on 02/26/2009 8:29:36 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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Then don’t eat it. It’s a free country (while it lasts).


6 posted on 02/26/2009 8:30:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: kc8ukw

Why would she consider moral implications when she, as an Ahiest, denies the existence of absolute good and evil? To Athiests, morality is simply a convenience, an arbitrary set of rules to make society work better, whatever that means.


7 posted on 02/26/2009 8:32:52 AM PST by HerrBlucher
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I prefer Taylor Ham.


8 posted on 02/26/2009 8:35:17 AM PST by svcw
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To: HerrBlucher
Good question. Another question: can atheist be moral? They certainly can be legal, maybe even ethical but moral?
9 posted on 02/26/2009 8:36:50 AM PST by svcw
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To Athiests, morality is simply a convenience, an arbitrary set of rules to make society work bet
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Now I’m confused. I’ve read on this forum, time and time again, that atheism, in denying absolute truth, made it OK for us to have as much sex as we wanted. Now you’re telling me that it’s not about sex, but about control (making society work better), which, from where I sit, is one of the purposes of man made religion (which I kind of suspect is the only kind).


10 posted on 02/26/2009 8:42:22 AM PST by dmz
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I am confused. When was it posted that people of faith don’t/can’t have sex. You got it wrong buddy, sex is a gift from God, and what a gift it is!!! wooohooo


11 posted on 02/26/2009 8:48:28 AM PST by svcw
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When was it posted that people of faith don’t/can’t have sex.
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With multiple partners outside the marriage bond? Wow. Christianity has changed!


12 posted on 02/26/2009 8:54:08 AM PST by dmz
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To: GodGunsGuts

She should know the difference between science and psychology.;)


13 posted on 02/26/2009 8:55:40 AM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: GodGunsGuts
In addition, Gefter listed concepts and emphases that she felt betray a hidden agenda: an emphasis on complex molecular machines,

The "Inner Life of the Cell" from the movie Expelled

14 posted on 02/26/2009 9:00:05 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "The Iron Lady of the North")
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To: dmz

I did not say that. But then again we now know where your thoughts/assumptions lie. tsk tsk


15 posted on 02/26/2009 9:00:11 AM PST by svcw
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To: dmz

I’m of the belief that most atheists embrace atheism because they refuse to accept the consequences of their actions... In a way, they are “denying the judge”.

I also suspect that many atheists are the kind of people who may have gotten away with some really horrible crime like kidnapping a young child and murdering her but where never brought to justice. They hide what feelings of guilt they have with a pretentious “there is no god” rationalizing.

Of course, there are those who simply don’t believe in a god of any kind - I got no beef with them but the child killers need to be hunted down wherever they are hiding - even if they happen to be teaching “evolutionary biology” in some “prestigious” university where the concept of global warming is, I apologize for bringing this up in a thread dedicated to atheism, treated as gospel.


16 posted on 02/26/2009 9:03:20 AM PST by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: kc8ukw
"the reference to quantum physics in support of free will"

I'm rather skeptical of that myself. But I have to wonder, does she then believe there is no such thing as free will? Has she considered the moral implications of that?

Quantum Physics has essentially refuted the Newtonian idea "Determinism". The universe is now excepted as "Indeterminate". It has theological and philosophical implications for many people.

"God does not play dice with the universe"

17 posted on 02/26/2009 9:18:18 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "The Iron Lady of the North")
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See, I’m not sure about that. I don’t know what you’re background is - I’m a Ph.D. student in physics. And it seems to me, as well as to other physicists I’ve discussed the issue with, that quantum mechanics is still deterministic, it’s just probabalitically deterministic rather than absolutely deterministic. You may no longer be able to say “that electron is here,” but you can still say “there is an 80% chance that electron is here, and a 20% chance that it’s over there.” You can still make predictions. If you looked at 1000 such electrons, you would be puzzled if something other than ~800 were here, and ~200 were over there. QM is still deterministic.


18 posted on 02/26/2009 9:32:39 AM PST by kc8ukw
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And it seems to me, as well as to other physicists I’ve discussed the issue with, that quantum mechanics is still deterministic, it’s just probabalitically deterministic rather than absolutely deterministic.

If you stick to a 100% naturalistic explanation then it is "indeterminate". But if you bring in "probabalitically deterministic" you open the door to theological explanations.

I recall a physicist saying "yes... the universe is ruled by chance, but God runs the Casino".

19 posted on 02/26/2009 9:44:48 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "The Iron Lady of the North")
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
I recall a physicist saying "yes... the universe is ruled based on chance, but God runs the Casino".
20 posted on 02/26/2009 9:50:01 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "The Iron Lady of the North")
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