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Modern-Day Secessionists Will Hold a Conference on Leaving the Union
http://www.nysun.com/national/modern-day-secessionists-will-hold-a-conference/40456/ ^

Posted on 02/26/2009 5:41:03 PM PST by teg_76

Here come the new Green Mountain Boys. The Middlebury Institute, a think tank devoted to the study of separatism, secession, and self-determination, is planning the First North American Secessionist Convention in Burlington, Vt.

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1 posted on 02/26/2009 5:41:03 PM PST by teg_76
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To: teg_76

SRO


2 posted on 02/26/2009 5:43:50 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Ping


3 posted on 02/26/2009 5:43:53 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: teg_76

My wife and I were saying we should give southern California back to Mexico and see how the Hollywood crowd would like that.

My wife said, “Ju’ workin’ for me! I want Eric Estrada back on T.V. and when Dana Carvey does the “Church Lady” ju’ must say ‘Senora de Iglesias”.


4 posted on 02/26/2009 5:44:00 PM PST by Terry Mross (I Hate All Politicians, Republicans Included.)
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To: teg_76
I used to be torn on the idea. On the one had, I think a state leaving the Union (again) will empower the Muslim Atheist Satanic Communist Dictator - Barack Hussein Obama.

On the other hand, it will stop him in his tracks.

Alaska has the best chance to break away. They are geographically in the most secure position, and they don't need the US. Plus, their population is hard working and hardly the welfare, stupid, ACORN types.

The rest of the Union will be a tougher nut to crack. However, once the break up starts, it will be impossible to stop.

5 posted on 02/26/2009 5:57:06 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Oklahoma could break away..........

I could see it.....

6 posted on 02/26/2009 5:59:33 PM PST by Osage Orange (Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators. -Will Rogers)
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To: teg_76

“...successful secessionist strategies.”

Which ones were those?

“For one thing, as hurricane Katrina has glaringly shown, the Federal government is a clumsy, bureaucratic, politicized, and insensitive instrument...and states and localities that give themselves over to depending on it are in real trouble.”

And Louisianna did so very well at the State level.

Vermont ought to be very successful as an independant land locked Republic.


7 posted on 02/26/2009 5:59:42 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: teg_76

why? Why break it up? Were the vets, tax payers, direct link to the founders. Were the cops , nra, the people who make this work.

We need to revolt.


8 posted on 02/26/2009 6:01:44 PM PST by reefdiver (How do you keep the Conservative a Conservative, in Washington DC ?)
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To: SkyPilot

The date is September 27 2006. Anything more recent?


9 posted on 02/26/2009 6:01:56 PM PST by Toirdhealbheach Beucail (Am fear nach gheibh na h-airm 'n am na sith, cha bith iad aige 'nam a chogaidh)
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To: SkyPilot

Compare 2008 map with 2004 map and you get a different picture, or else ACORN stole those votes.


10 posted on 02/26/2009 6:02:09 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: teg_76
By GARY SHAPIRO, Staff Reporter of the Sun | September 27, 2006???? Alaska would be a good state! We would have plenty of money from that oil reserve.
11 posted on 02/26/2009 6:04:53 PM PST by luv2ndamend (May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. — Samue)
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To: teg_76

Sad but I wish it would start.

I also know it won’t.


12 posted on 02/26/2009 6:10:09 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Get the bats and light the hay)
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To: teg_76
No, no, no, no, no, I said gaddamned it, NO! We kick the nests of sedition and subversion out of our Union!!!!!!!!!!!!! They left us, not vice-versa, so let them pay for their arrogance and self-importance by subjecting them to building their own deluded Utopia from the dirt-up, not sucking the life blood out of us and forcing us to hide in a cave. Piss on Kalifornia, Washington, Chicago, New Yawk, and all the other Leftist tumors that have metastacized inside our borders. Treat them like a cancer, and cut them out of the host, for the good of the body American.


13 posted on 02/26/2009 6:11:07 PM PST by Viking2002 (The Occupation has begun. God help America.)
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To: SkyPilot
Geeez! That graphic is very close to how I picture a national breakup, if it happens!

I can see the NE states going with liberal parts of Canada to form a socialist nation, California, Oregon, and Washington state forming their own country, maybe with some of the southern parts of Nevada and New Mexico and SW Texas (if Texas would let it!), and the SE U.S. up through the heartland (flyover country to liberal Dems) connecting up with central Canada on up to and including Alaska to form a new, better conservative nation.

We, the new conservative nation, would have a stronger Constitution, freer states and people, and would quickly become a world superpower (if we ever lost it in the breakup), while the liberal, socialist nation would wallow in self-incrimination ("I'm more liberal than you!", "Am not!", "Am too!" . . . ), and deteriorate into second-rate status.
Probably end up asking us for assistance and protection, too!

14 posted on 02/26/2009 6:19:53 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: teg_76

At this point, I’m all for it. It’s time to start a new country, one that honors and loves God, does what is right and admonishes what is wrong, one where not a single liberal/socialist/communist/fascist is tolerated.


15 posted on 02/26/2009 6:20:17 PM PST by pctech
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To: KrisKrinkle
“...successful secessionist strategies.”

Which ones were those?

I know I sound like a broken record, but until someone proves me wrong, I'll keep on saying it:
Get the liberals to want to break away from us! We're halfway there now!

16 posted on 02/26/2009 6:22:17 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: SkyPilot; Kackikat
This map, done by Mark Newman of the University of Michigan, uses shades of purple in addition to red and blue to indicate how heavily a county went for one candidate or another. I don't see a clean breakup on a regional or State basis. It'll be neighbor v neighbor and it'll be ugly.


17 posted on 02/26/2009 6:26:06 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: teg_76
I remember HUSSEIN during the campaign, on TV speaking from the floor of the Senate with the socialist dog SANDERS sitting directly behind him in full view of the camera leaving no doubt to anyone with brains in the age of the carefully controlled image that HUSSEIN was a marxist.

What better place than Vermont to get it started.

By the way, I respect Sanders for his honesty.

18 posted on 02/26/2009 6:27:49 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: jeffc

States Rights movements do not require secession. Simply refuse to allow the Feds to do more than the Constitution allows them. The rest to the States and the People.

That is how the document is written. I know the Dems are not happy with that, but those are the facts.

The courts legislation by interpretation is what got us in this mess. It has been a long time coming, but it is here.

We must deal with it.

No Secession, but declare States Rights as per Constitution.


19 posted on 02/26/2009 6:28:23 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: SkyPilot

Draw the line, then give me 1 day to get me, and my peeps whatever stuff that I want on the side where the citizens own guns!


20 posted on 02/26/2009 6:29:11 PM PST by incredulous joe ("It's psychedelic pandemonium!!" ~ Captain Lou Albano)
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To: KrisKrinkle

there is a red blue state map out there sized toopulation


21 posted on 02/26/2009 6:29:46 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: SkyPilot
The best thing Palin could do is to start making secessionist noise.

It would throw the marxists currently in control of the government of the United States into a precarious situation.

If PALIN wants to make HISTORY, the time is now.

22 posted on 02/26/2009 6:30:54 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: KrisKrinkle
It'll be neighbor v neighbor and it'll be ugly.

What you talkin bout Willis?

Once a State says its going, its national guard is the armed forces.

23 posted on 02/26/2009 6:34:04 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: KrisKrinkle
It'll be neighbor v neighbor and it'll be ugly.

And brother against brother, father against son, etc.. Yes, it will be very ugly. As I've said for many years on this forum, it will make CWI look like a walk in the park on a warm spring day.

May God help us.

5.56mm

24 posted on 02/26/2009 6:34:26 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: teg_76

how about we call it renewing the union


25 posted on 02/26/2009 6:35:45 PM PST by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: pctech

I figure the 2010 midterms are the big test; if we can’t win the House back after all this garbage that is going on, I’ll know we’ve lost permanently, and I would totally support secession.


26 posted on 02/26/2009 6:39:31 PM PST by teg_76
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To: teg_76

I apologize to everyone for posting an old article. I didn’t check the date. Just wanted to get this topic out there to see what people’s thoughts were.


27 posted on 02/26/2009 6:40:11 PM PST by teg_76
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To: KrisKrinkle

Well the problem is how do you succeed when everyone is scattered all over the US, it isn’t like the Confederacy where people stayed where they already lived. The other issue is the money it would cost, because there aren’t any rich plantation owners to help finance such an endeavor as was available back then. That’s just a historical statement.

Most important is the proposal for a North American Union that, the Illuminati, Masons, Rhodes Scholars etc are promoting, as push for the NWO....noone escapes their plan, at least that’s their intention...not to mention the jhadists who want everyone to be muslim, it’s bizarro world already.

There isn’t much time left, and families aren’t going to break up as some are dems and some repubs in same families. Jesus is coming, as well as the next depression, the China Wars and Armegeddon...

I read the book “Financial Armegeddon” and it’s prophetically close, as is the possiblity that we may have a short lived recovery; then all this spending will cause us to hit rock bottom afterwards. Another scenario is no recovery, and we continue the downward spiral! It’s time to prepare for all of that, not to be moving around, as I don’t subscribe to pre trib, mid trib or post trib...I just want to prepare and occupy until.....and when the trumpet blows I’m outa here.


28 posted on 02/26/2009 6:42:14 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Rome2000

“Once a State says its going, its national guard is the armed forces.”

Armed forces which will be putting down the segment of the State population that doesn’t want to go, which segment will be resisting said armed forces. Not to mention the part of the National Guard that won’t want to go and will be part of the resistance.

And what do you mean “once a State says its going”? Who do you think is going to make the decision to stay or go? What makes you think the decision process will be peaceful?


29 posted on 02/26/2009 6:57:10 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: metmom

Thanks metmom. I vaguely recall seeing or hearing something about this back then. VERY old news in any case ‘^)


30 posted on 02/26/2009 7:06:25 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately. - B.Franklin)
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To: KrisKrinkle
Not to mention the part of the National Guard that won’t want to go and will be part of the resistance.

That part doesn't have any Officers to lead them.

Small potatoes.

31 posted on 02/26/2009 7:08:47 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Texas Fossil
No Secession, but declare States Rights as per Constitution

I'd like to believe you, I truly would. But the liberals have such a stranglehold on the judiciary, that they will declare anything we do unconstitutional, even if we amended it to limit what the judiciary can do about it (see California and Prop 8).

Heck, the courts now are so full of themselves with their perceived omnipotence, they will counter-attack viciously to any perceived threat to their power. They need to be seriously reigned in, and if they don't submit, be impeached, tried and put in prison.

The liberals, too, are in full swagger to build as much of a socialist state as possible before the pendulum swings back to a Repub prez and possibly even a Repub-dominated Congress. It will be hard, if not impossible, to undue the things the Dems are capable of doing in the next four years given their penchant for being very group-oriented (everything they do is "study-grouped" and "work-shopped" first.) I know. I've seen it. We all have.
Think of the seminar people that go on talk-TV and can stay on-message, and talk over everyone else to get their message out - and they all use the same buzzwords. Where do you think they get those buzzwords? Where do you think they get the training to to that? Believe me, it takes training and experience to go on TV and do that!
Some shows, notably on FNC, are wise to these people, especially Megan Kelly, when she accuses someone of trying to talk over her - that is priceless and it tells me that someone in the media finally gets it!

But, you tell me: How do we get around the liberals, who will put up every barrier and stand in our way to protect their own view of "America" (remember, they think they're right, too)?

32 posted on 02/26/2009 7:10:09 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: jeffc

I find no fault with your concerns or logic.

We have to options as I see it:

1. Attempt to rein in this through the Constitution (via States Rights) and the threat of Voter Rage.

2. Lock & Load

I am not for the latter yet, but if it must be— So be it.


33 posted on 02/26/2009 7:25:21 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil
I find no fault with your concerns or logic. We have to options as I see it:

1. Attempt to rein in this through the Constitution (via States Rights) and the threat of Voter Rage.

2. Lock & Load

I am not for the latter yet, but if it must be— So be it

I also prefer option "1", and fear option "2" (you never know where it will lead). I pray for "1" and prepare for "2".

34 posted on 02/26/2009 7:31:58 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: KrisKrinkle
"I don't see a clean breakup on a regional or State basis"

There won't be....and there shouldn't be. This needs a "revolt", not a "civil war".

In the last revolution, the "Tories", in large part, were killed or driven out of the colonies into Canada.

This time there is only one attribute by which to determine the enemy:
The answer to the question: "Do you believe in and support a Constitutional Republic as founded in 1787?"

This determination has no "gray" area. It is purely "yes" or "no". Any response other than "yes" translates to a "no".

35 posted on 02/26/2009 7:32:31 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: KrisKrinkle
“For one thing, as hurricane Katrina has glaringly shown, the Federal government is a clumsy, bureaucratic, politicized, and insensitive instrument...and states and localities that give themselves over to depending on it are in real trouble.”

The Media lie to you.

Big Surprise.

I was working the airlift for New Orleans after Katrina. Within hours we had pumps from the Netherlands flown in, food from all over the American nation, water, medicene, tents, blankets, and the 82nd Airborne as enforcement.

Some came from C-17s, and some came from 737s from Southwest, American, and Delta. The cost per airplane was (back then) about $39,000.

The State of Louisiana provided .....................nothing. We had a State Army National Guard General who was corrupt and a drunk. Gov Blanco was defensive and you could not contact her.

If the US Military means the "Feds" then things will get done. If not, good luck.

36 posted on 02/26/2009 7:49:10 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Alaska doesn’t need the USA? Give me a break. Alaska has one of the smallest populations of any state, and they’re further apart from each other than residents in any other state. Any kind of real organized defense would be impossible for Alaska. Without the United States military, Alaska would be back in the hands of Russia faster than you can spit. Putin would cream in his briefs if Alaska seceded.


37 posted on 02/26/2009 7:49:38 PM PST by Melas
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To: teg_76

I would prefer to keep the country and convert it back to free market capitalism. Everybody wins that way. Even the idiots will benefit from capitalism.


38 posted on 02/26/2009 7:51:13 PM PST by Sir Gawain (With Obama's "tax cut" I can afford a torch and a pitchfork in just TWO WEEKS!)
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To: Sir Gawain

Well said. Thanks!


39 posted on 02/26/2009 7:52:34 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: teg_76

I think I read somewhere that when Texas joined the Union it did so with a proviso that they could leave at any time if they wanted to.

Any truth to this or have I been reading too much of “US History for Dummies”?


40 posted on 02/26/2009 8:04:24 PM PST by shaft29 (Just your typical black woman.)
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To: Melas
Alaska has one of the smallest populations of any state, and they’re further apart from each other than residents in any other state.

Exactly. Thank you for making my point.

Alaska does not need the rest of US.

Any kind of real organized defense would be impossible for Alaska.

What are you talking about? Defense of what, and from whom?

Without the United States military, Alaska would be back in the hands of Russia faster than you can spit. Putin would cream in his briefs if Alaska seceded.

This sounds like an alcohol fueled statment. Did you have any when you said this? Be honest. Do you really think Russia will invade Alaska if the State goes its own way? Why? Give me 2 reasons.

41 posted on 02/26/2009 8:23:01 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Viking2002
No, no, no, no, no, I said gaddamned it, NO! We kick the nests of sedition and subversion out of our Union!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly what you said! WE are the true American spirit! WE are America! They are not! They are the ones turning their backs on what made this country great. Yes, they are the traitors, they are the secessionists!
42 posted on 02/26/2009 8:24:47 PM PST by swatbuznik
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To: KrisKrinkle

That’s what I’m wondering, KK. Would the armed forces sent to quell the revolting public be so blindly obedient to Obama, especilly if a majority of them didn’t care for him or respect him. I see soldiers leaving the military and joining the cause, especially since the libs have so little love for the military.

So, who would you join, the likes of Obama, Pelosi, etc., who’d just as soon spit on you, or the ones who stood up at the parades and saluted and waved for the military as they walked past?


43 posted on 02/26/2009 8:31:27 PM PST by swatbuznik
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To: Rome2000

“That part doesn’t have any Officers to lead them.”

Right, none of the officers will choose opposite sides—just like last time.


44 posted on 02/26/2009 9:26:23 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: SuperLuminal
In the last revolution, the "Tories", in large part, were killed or driven out of the colonies into Canada.

Like I said in Post 17: "It'll be neighbor v neighbor and it'll be ugly."

This time there is only one attribute by which to determine the enemy: The answer to the question: "Do you believe in and support a Constitutional Republic as founded in 1787?"

And a "yes" means you're willing to return the land the US bought from France and Russia and the land the US conquered/purchased from Mexico because there is no Constitutional basis for such acquisitions.

45 posted on 02/26/2009 9:36:46 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: SkyPilot

Ummm, for clarity, I hope you realize I was quoting from the article and taking issue with the quote.


46 posted on 02/26/2009 9:42:10 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Kackikat

“Most important is the proposal for a North American Union that, the Illuminati, Masons, Rhodes Scholars etc are promoting, as push for the NWO....noone escapes their plan, at least that’s their intention...not to mention the jhadists who want everyone to be muslim, it’s bizarro world already.”

Everybody talks about it as if there will be only two sides, two points of view. It’s likely to be more complicated than that. You mentioned the NWO types and the jihadists, but there’s also the LA Raza types who want the Southwest returned to Mexico, the various gangs that might set up a “Warlord” type of territory and I bet there are some Religious types who would try to grab some territory and set up some sort of theocracy if they could.


47 posted on 02/26/2009 9:56:42 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Vermont will only be the first of a new confederacy, I believe. If things get bad, this could happen. A Russian recently said America will break up. I laughed when I read the article and thought it was only sour grapes for what happened to the USSR—but maybe he was on to something. If the federal Government bankrupts the treasury maybe a new nation could repudiate the debt and start over. Save your Confederate Money Boys, the south shall rise again. The US could break into five nations with only a handful still in the Obamanation. Lets all hope this is just some sci-fi dream of the future.


48 posted on 02/26/2009 11:15:28 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: KrisKrinkle
Ummm, for clarity, I hope you realize I was quoting from the article and taking issue with the quote.

Ummm...for clarity, I don't get what you are saying vis what I posted.

49 posted on 02/27/2009 12:09:41 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Osage Orange
"Oklahoma could break away"

I have talked to several state legisltors, including one in a leadership position, and it is a real possibility. There has been talk behind closed doors down on Lincoln Blvd. about this very subject.

red

50 posted on 02/27/2009 4:08:00 AM PST by rednek (if it isn't large caliber, it isn't worth carrying)
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